60 Minutes/The Catholic Church is a joke

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Many fellow Christians don't want to hear this, but Socialism is much more inline with Church Teaching than Capitalism is. The only downfall with Socialism is that it doesn't actually work except in extremely small in-groups that value the group above the individual.

"From each according to his ability to each according to their need" is fundamentally beautiful provided it's voluntary and not theft.

Again, this is all just philosophical because socialism will not work, except in extremely jerrymandered circumstances.



You have no idea what socialism is, then. People helping their neighbors and those in need is not socialism.

Where did I say otherwise?

Then what do you think is "Socialism" that aligns with the Bible? There is nothing in there that is inline with Socialism... Unless of course you are just referring to "Church Teaching" as some Catholic tradition. You may have a small point there.

One could see how socialism might be inferred from Acts 4:32-35, if one focused on the "no one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had" and taking the proceeds of large sales of property to the leaders for distribution to the needy.

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32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God's grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.




Sounds like a voluntary situation there. Socialism in any modern sense has forced participation, and government (or whoever ultimately controls the group) forces it.

Perhaps breaking it down into Utopian socialism (voluntary) and Socialism (capital S) makes sense, but with deference to whatever church or community was being talked about in those verses in Acts, neither works because of human nature.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind." - J.S. Mill
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Paul wrote that "anyone who does not provide for their own relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith" (1 Timothy 5:8)
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He and VP Vance are just great at this.
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I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.
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Severian the Torturer said:

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I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.


Yeah. Nobody wants that either.

He needs to stick to shepherding his flock from the altar and keep his mouth shut about American politics.
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Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....
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StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
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Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it

The Pope entered the political arena. He should have expected this...if he didn't; well, then he's not that smart. Just because he has a fancy title doesn't mean he's immune to criticism.
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
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japantiger said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it

The Pope entered the political arena. He should have expected this...if he didn't; well, then he's not that smart. Just because he has a fancy title doesn't mean he's immune to criticism.


No he didn't, he spoke about a moral issue which is also a political issue.
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Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it



Not being allowed to criticize your religious leaders is extremely cultish behavior.
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Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
He's still just a man at the end of the day and isn't above criticism.
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Gigem314 said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
He's still just a man at the end of the day and isn't above criticism.


There's a difference between criticism and airing your dirty laundry in public.
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Someone famous once said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's."
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From what I've read they found 3 radical leftist bishops who are essentially irrelevant clowns.

While I don't agree with how the Catholic Church operates as some moral authority on all things Christian, this is 60 Minutes shopping for "examples" of Bishops who absolutely loathe Trump and loooove abortion.
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Gigem314 said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
He's still just a man at the end of the day and isn't above criticism.


Exactly. Just a man who was elected by other men. Nothing about him makes him closer to God than anyone else who has committed to Christ.
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Muy said:

From what I've read they found 3 radical leftist bishops who are essentially irrelevant clowns.

While I don't agree with how the Catholic Church operates as some moral authority on all things Christian, this is 60 Minutes shopping for "examples" of Bishops who absolutely loathe Trump and loooove abortion.


I don't believe in coincidences. The Pope knew this was happening and let it or arranged it.
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
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Severian the Torturer said:

Gigem314 said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
He's still just a man at the end of the day and isn't above criticism.


There's a difference between criticism and airing your dirty laundry in public.
There's a difference between your mother and a distant leader who doesn't even know who you are.
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Muy said:

Gigem314 said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
He's still just a man at the end of the day and isn't above criticism.


Exactly. Just a man who was elected by other men. Nothing about him makes him closer to God than anyone else who has committed to Christ.
Absolutely. He doesn't speak for me and I don't need him or his approval to connect with God.

And given that he's one of the most protected leaders in the world and lives in his own city surrounded by walls, he's not someone I would look to for advice on my country's border and immigration policy.
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japantiger said:

Muy said:

From what I've read they found 3 radical leftist bishops who are essentially irrelevant clowns.

While I don't agree with how the Catholic Church operates as some moral authority on all things Christian, this is 60 Minutes shopping for "examples" of Bishops who absolutely loathe Trump and loooove abortion.


I don't believe in coincidences. The Pope knew this was happening and let it or arranged it.


I believe that 100%
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Severian the Torturer said:

Gigem314 said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it
He's still just a man at the end of the day and isn't above criticism.


There's a difference between criticism and airing your dirty laundry in public.



You think Catholics would've have learned by now that keeping your dirty laundry hidden only lets the evil continue to flourish.

Sunlight has always been the best disinfectant.
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You are completely wrong.

He is spot on regarding what he said.

This hypocritical pope like the last hypocritical pope needs to shut the **** up.

WOW. Border Czar Tom Homan just gave the PERFECT response to Pope Leo

"I'm a lifelong Catholic. I wish they'd STAY OUT of immigration, they don't know what they're talking about."

"Because if they wore my shoes for 40 years, and talked to a 9-year-old girl that got r*ped multiple times, or stood in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens at my feet, including a 5-year-old boy that baked to death, if they understood the atrocities that happened on the open border, I think their opinion would change!"

"And I welcome discussion with any of them, because they don't understand illegal immigration is not a victimless crime."

"Where President Trump had the most secure border in the lifetime of this nation, right now, lives are being saved. He's saving thousands of lives a year because he has a secure border!"

"Human traffickers are out of business, right? The cartels are going bankrupt because of that secure border. I wish they'd understand that."

"Because if they did, I think they'd have a different opinion."

Mic drop.
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This describes many of the posters in this thread. I pray that God brings light into your heart and He helps to guide you on His path for each of us.

And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to Me’
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I pray the same for all the Catholics who are following this Pope into the pit of hell.
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Logos Stick said:


I pray the same for all the Catholics who are following this Pope into the pit of hell.

Please provide a single example of something that the Pope has said that is not backed by scripture or tradition. To claim that he is doing anything but providing clear interpretations of what we are called to do as Christians is asinine.
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Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.


Except abortion and gay marriage are issues that fall directly under the scope of church teaching. U.S. immigration policy does not unless you want to liberally interpret specific teaching of Jesus to mean we should live in a borderless, socialist commune and sing kumbaya for eternity.

You're allowed to criticize the Pope. And it should be your duty as a Catholic to do so when he steps out of bounds, just like you should keep your mother from doing things in public that she shouldn't do. Filial piety is not the equivalent of blind deference. You can honor your "father" by making sure he does not corrupt the image of his office by engaging in partisan politics outside the scope of his responsibilities. Just like he should be reprimanded if he starts selling indulgences.
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I could only make it through 5 pages to catch up before having to ask who the **** is Severian the Torturer and what was their previous username?

ETA: I'm not sure yet whose side is on whose but we have Severian the Torturer and Morbo the Annhiliator on the same page (5) with Wrestlemania coming up this weekend.

What are we doing here?

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johnnyblaze36 said:

I could only make it through 5 pages to catch up before having to ask who the **** is Severian the Torturer and what was their previous username?


He goes by many names.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Anyone surprised about what Pope Leo is simply willfully ignorant. The Church has been very consistent about their themes and messaging for the last 1500 years. Everything that he has said corresponds to the true ideals of being pro-life, even for our enemies. How fortunate that the usual "but I go to church every Sunday it doesn't matter if I wish death on liberals and tyrants" posturing done here is finally facing some pushback.

This is completely false. Have you been awake since 2015 and have you seen how the Catholic church has reacted to the topic of gay marriage? Just wanted to add that on as an item in which nearly every Democrat policy maker on Capitol Hill (start with Nancy) claims they are some great Catholic steward.

What do they do intead of your assertion? Abortion on demand. Gay/Trans for everyobdy. Let everyone and their mother and dog into our country unchecked, etc. And then have the audacity to criticize our country from their shiny, walled in, painted palace.

The Pope is not some infallible being, especially Leo and all of the ones before him. In fact, the dude is wrong about practically everything and should just stfu.





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Pre-papal politics were dug up. It's akin to warning your kids about posting on social media and that being a liability for job searches/careers 'down the road.' The internet is forever.
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nortex97 said:

Pre-papal politics were dug up. It's akin to warning your kids about posting on social media and that being a liability for job searches/careers 'down the road.' The internet is forever.



For a man chosen to represent God's will on this Earth, Bobby Prevost sure spends a lot of time spewing the woke rhetoric of the Democrat Party word for word.

And while no party or politician displays much of a connection to Christ and his Servant's Sacrifice for us all, it would nice to see the Pontiff speak for God rather than Barack Hussein Obama.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Logos Stick said:


I pray the same for all the Catholics who are following this Pope into the pit of hell.

Please provide a single example of something that the Pope has said that is not backed by scripture or tradition. To claim that he is doing anything but providing clear interpretations of what we are called to do as Christians is asinine.



How about lying? Is that backed by scripture?

I'm going to pray especially hard for you.
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

Severian the Torturer said:

StandUpforAmerica said:




I like Tom Homan a lot but this is poor reasoning and anti-Catholic in the extreme. He's essentially arguing that the ends justify the means. If there is evil being done, which I'm not saying there is, then no amount of good that comes from it is licit, if the evil is intended.

It's also really bad that we expect the Pope to weigh in on social topics like gay marriage and abortion, but not immigration.

What a crazy take. There's nothing anti-Catholic about his comments. He's talking about how closing the border saves lives instead of what Biden was doing. There's nothing evil in that. I know you just like to argue, but jeez.....


Yes, a Catholic speaking about the Pope in public in a negative fashion is terrible. It's like talking bad about your mother in public. Even if it's true, you don't do it



Not being allowed to criticize your religious leaders is extremely cultish behavior.

Read what he typed again. He didn't say it wasn't allowed. It's not like there is some damning punishment for it.
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FWIW, my grandparents (rip, Baptist) I don't recall ever criticizing the pastor.

Now, my father was a minister/chaplain, and it was a bit of a household hobby/tradition to critique sermons/messages/style afterward, when we visited other churches etc (he always loved going to other denominational services fwiw).

I also don't recall sermons so overtly political as these 60 minutes statements/Leo's comments, to be fair.
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johnnyblaze36 said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Anyone surprised about what Pope Leo is simply willfully ignorant. The Church has been very consistent about their themes and messaging for the last 1500 years. Everything that he has said corresponds to the true ideals of being pro-life, even for our enemies. How fortunate that the usual "but I go to church every Sunday it doesn't matter if I wish death on liberals and tyrants" posturing done here is finally facing some pushback.

This is completely false. Have you been awake since 2015 and have you seen how the Catholic church has reacted to the topic of gay marriage? Just wanted to add that on as an item in which nearly every Democrat policy maker on Capitol Hill (start with Nancy) claims they are some great Catholic steward.

What do they do intead of your assertion? Abortion on demand. Gay/Trans for everyobdy. Let everyone and their mother and dog into our country unchecked, etc. And then have the audacity to criticize our country from their shiny, walled in, painted palace.

The Pope is not some infallible being, especially Leo and all of the ones before him. In fact, the dude is wrong about practically everything and should just stfu.

Thank you for showing everyone that you are incapable of doing your own research. I'm going to say this as gently as I can since staff has my posts under a microscope at the moment.

The Church maintains to this day that proper marriages are lifelong, open to procreation, and heterosexual. You're likely thinking of what Pope Francis allowed, which was the blessing of those couples - the same way those who are not Catholic can receive a blessing at every single Catholic mass around the world.

Senile politicians who have received the Sacraments =/= the Catholic Church and its leadership. The same way that many so-called Catholic Republicans are more than happy to whisk their impregnated staffers to other states to murder the extramarital child. Politicians lie, more at seven.


The rest of your post is just nonsense, entirely based on fantasy. Unless, of course, you're capable of providing a shred of evidence.

You're correct in saying the Pope is not infallible in all things. Catholics do not believe he is 100% infallible. He also does not claim to be infallible unless he is speaking from the chair of Peter, whom you might remember from a little book that's usually stored on the back of a pew. I recommend you pick it up again and give it a once over.
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