You think Cuban is gonna out maneuver Morey?

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You think Cuban is gonna out maneuver Morey?

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Well, I would say it's a bit of a stretch to lay that title at the feet of Cuban, but let's go with it if you wish.

It took him, what, 12 years to win? Morey's been GM since, when? 2007?

Let's reassess in a year or two.

Morey's 1st 7 seasons:
4 playoff appearances
1 series win

Cuban's 1st 7 seasons:
7 playoff appearances
8 series wins
1 NBA finals appearance

It isn't like Morey has been a 100% perfect GM (Lin over Dragic). And Cuban still has a title and has done stuff in free agency to disrupt other teams in the past (offer to the Polish Hammer when he was with Orlando.)

Dan bringing the cold hard facts.

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You think Cuban is gonna out maneuver Morey?

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Signing a guy to an offer sheet isn't exactly rocket science, and if/when that happens, the sandbox has officially been pissed in regardless of whether the rockets match or not. He's either taking a nice player or cockblocking them from one.

But don't cry for long, I think Lebron is getting ready to make Houston's day by going back to Cle so Bosh will be a nice catch. It just wouldn't be a Bosh/Parsons combo platter if Cuban decides to make a play.

I think the real question is whether he can outmaneuver Kevin McHale's cheating, under-the-table deal-making ass.

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I'm sure Cubes is still bitter from McHale cutting a secret deal to sign Michael Olowokandi in Minnesota without the Mavs getting a fair shot at an offer.

Michael Olowokandi. The most disappointing Center since Ervin Johnson.

Kandi Man was way more disappointing than Johnson.

Chandler Parsons signs an offer sheet worth >$45M. Rockets can match.

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Crunch time...we will see what Bosh and Houston decide to do.

Like this move. Hopefully they land him. Worst case is they put a division opponent in a tight spot.

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that's not really the worst case.....worst case, we make houston overpay for parsons, and the three day delay costs us deng or ariza.

I guess as a Mavs fan (living in Houston) I'm pulling for Bosh signing with the Rockets. Seems like a win-win for both teams.

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I guess as a Mavs fan (living in Houston) I'm pulling for Bosh signing with the Rockets. Seems like a win-win for both teams.

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Wrong ... If Bosh signs with Houston in the next day or two, the Rockets will match for Parsons as that is the only move to improve given that they can match and go over the salary cap line.

If Bosh does not sign with Houston, the Rockets have a really tough choice. Once Houston matches Parson's contract, they will have little to no room to sign players beyond that for the next several years so they are stuck.

IMHO, the Rockets are either going to get Bosh and Parsons, or else the Rockets are going to let Parsons go.

Listening to different "Cap" experts on the radio, there seems to be some misinformation about what Houston can do. Some say if they sign Bosh, they need to sign Parsons as well. Others are saying if they sign Bosh fo rhte max, they won't be able to sign Parsons due to the cap hit.

Not sure what the right answer is.

To get close to the max on Bosh, they have to get rid of pretty much everyone on the roster and take back zero, but they can do that and keep Parsons. But they will be about 5mm into the luxury tax.

Like I said a month ago and Coon said last night, they have to get rid of just about everyone else to get enough space for Bosh at around 20mm. Bosh is going to get slightly less than he could in Miami, but would you rather be playing with DWade and Danny Granger or Harden and Howard?

That is one of the guys I heard this morning discussing it Cokehead.

Definite overpay by the Mavs. I would rather have Ariza for 8-10M and left some room open to sign another player or 2. I have a feeling Houston matches in the end though. Either way this is pretty entertaining.

There seem to be enough suitors that I could see Ariza getting more like $11-12 (wouldn't be surprised at all to see something that at least approaches an Iguodala-ish 4/$48 deal), and I'd rather have Parsons for $15 if it works out that way.

I still expect Houston to match though.

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Was listening to ESPN 103.3 a couple of hours ago. The consensus was that the Rockets are most likely going to lose Parsons to the Mavs.

Haven't been following the LeBron thing today, but this morning the consensus was if he goes to the Cavs, Bosh is definitely going to the Rockets. But if he stays, Bosh is definitely staying in Miami.

Regardless, I like the pick-up of Parsons. He and Dirk are supposedly friends. With Chandler, that makes a pretty good front court, talent wise and chemistry wise. Dirk really likes Tyson.

Heard the plan is for Felton to still be the starter, but Devin will get more minutes.

Also, it looks like the Parson's deal will make it tough to sign Vince. The Mavs will have to offer him 2.75 mil and he wants 4.

IMO Dallas's only concern will be the paucity of defenders. If they land Parsons they really need him to commit to defense. Chandler can erase some mistakes and Carlisle is a great coach, but it's hard to make up for four bad defenders on the court at the same time. Will they be able to bring Marion back?

I haven't heard anything about Marion. My guess would be he doesn't come back.

But you're right on the perimeter defense still being an issue.

If they can't resign Carter, they hope to get Mo Williams.

No Marion. Have to renounce. Unless Marion takes the vet min.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Marion end up in Chicago.

He's from up there, but I think Chiacgo is going to blow their load on Gasol.

Return to Phoenix to be elder statesman?

On the Parsons offer being an overpay, it's really not given the market. 3 years for a 25 year old is relatively safe and 15 is sub-Hayward territory.

Morey clearly will do anything possible to try and match but Cuban did all he could here and Parsons was the top guy on the market.

If Deng is smart, he's waiting to see how this plays out before he does anything. Hopefully Ariza is not in play for the Mavs.

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Was listening to ESPN 103.3 a couple of hours ago. The consensus was that the Rockets are most likely going to lose Parsons to the Mavs.

Haven't been following the LeBron thing today, but this morning the consensus was if he goes to the Cavs, Bosh is definitely going to the Rockets. But if he stays, Bosh is definitely staying in Miami.

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If we get Bosh, we will match the offer on Parsons. If we don't get Bosh, then it will be interesting to see what we do

Once you trade Lin and Asik.

I think the GMs collectively have created a bubble in the market for NBA players. 15 million is about 1/4 of the cap and 1/5 of the luxury tax limit. From a team building perspective, you better be getting a heck of a player if you're paying him so much that you couldn't even field a full starting lineup of guys at that price, let alone a 13-man roster. You get about 5 million dollars per player, so if you pay one guy fifteen million, you're saying he's worth three times the average player.

Now, your starters play a lot more minutes than the bench so you should probably be looking at this on a dollars per performance times minutes basis. On the flip side, if you go that way to justify it, then you're stuck with the idea that most teams are bad at managing minutes to get the maximum collective performance from the whole roster combined. The league seems to be slowly starting to follow the Spurs lead in this regard, but this offseason seems likely to cripple that trend as an additional 20% of the league is looking to overextend themselves to overpay 1-2 starters. That leaves them with junk on the bench that really can't contribute much even in limited minutes.

This further leads you to the fact that most franchises don't develop players very well. If there were a great surplus of good players, then teams wouldn't bid up a good but not great player like Parsons. I think the good players are out there, it's just that most teams are bad at finding and polishing those diamonds... partly because they never let them play. It's a vicious circle.


I don't remember where I was going with this and I don't want to scroll up to figure it out, but I suspect I went on a tangent. SUBMIT!

If you think about Dirk+Chandler+Parsons for $39MM, it's a little more palatable.

62% of the cap in three players, each of whom is somewhere between bad and mediocre at one end of the court. 38% or 24 million left to get two more starters and 8 bench players.

Not necessarily saying that Dallas is making a mistake, just waxing philosophical.

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