***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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10:36a
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this ownership is cursed, the trade is cursed. they pissed off the basketball gods by pissing away an all timer. you just don't do that. looks like 2027 is our only hope now

in the off season, I guess we could try to package a deal for klay, gafford, hardy and a pick for a PG, but yeah right. Or, maybe we'll hit the lotto again with another brunson...yeah right

this is franchise ending type of failure in the FO. might honestly be a decade before we resurface as a contender barring some miracles
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 10:38a
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DannyDuberstein said:
Building a team core of old guys. This is what happens. This is seriously headed for 90s Mavs
Guys, the trade happened. It's time to move on and support the team. Can't get why you're all so fixated on being upset.

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10:38a
And they had already traded away so many picks as well. What a f'ing disaster.
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10:39a
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wish we could just call up our G League guys to finish out the year
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10:58a
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I hate this for Kyrie...dude had a great roster before the trade to make a run and has been a warrior all year. Hats off to him.

The only silver lining is that this further reinforces what morons Dumont and Nico have been, and this is blowing up in their face massively. I can't imagine things going worse if you tried.
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11:05a
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Struggling to think of a worse season for a fan base (that does not involve relocation) in recent memory. Any sport.
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11:17a
Sell everything, stock up on picks, tank the next two seasons. Follow the Rockets post Harden plan. Back in the playoffs by 29-30.
Really any other option?
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11:18a
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Nico can/will be fired eventually.

I'm assuming the nepo-cretin Dumont is firmly planted in his role.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 11:19a
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Building a team core of old guys. This is what happens. This is seriously headed for 90s Mavs
The 90's Mavs at least had their draft picks. What is going to happen between now until 2030 will be an unmitigated disaster the likes of which maybe the NBA hasn't seen before.

In 2025 it is now too late to tank. At best you can get behind the Suns, Atlanta, and Portland for 10th best odds. The Mavs won't necessarily "tank" because that implies having a choice. But the reality is they won't be winning many games now even if they wanted to. The 10th or 11th pick isn't bad, but that's not high odds of a future all star.

In 2026 Kyrie may not play until after the All Star break. If healthy, again they won't be bad enough to tank, but they won't be good enough to contend. It won't surprise me at all if dumb **** Nico trades 2025/2031 and the Mavs remaining depth for KD though. That would leave the Mavs with another mid-pick in the 12 - 20 range. Maybe they find someone decent, but not high odds of a future all star.

The Mavs would then walk into 2027 with ancient, injured Kyrie, AD, and maybe KD. No depth, likely no good young players, and no draft capital. That is when the wheels come off. Starting in 2027 CHA, OKC, BKN and SA will all get premium top 5-10 picks from the Mavs for those 4 years. It will be like "The Process" era Sixers except their is no actual process. Just the worst team in basketball with no ability to improve. I'm guessing it will end up being 5 years if the Suns get the 2031 pick.

That leaves the 2032 draft as the first one where you can "tank" and keep your high drafted players. That could still easily become another 5 year process before you hit on a few picks and they mature. Mavs are probably 10+ years from being relevant again.
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In reply to jeffdjohnson • 11:21a
Well I just went from sad to being clinically depressed.
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11:24a
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it will take the mavericks, a team that was in the finals less than a year ago, 15 years to recover from this.
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11:40a
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I think it's pretty clear we've lost the franchise we all love. We may have a shot in 2027 and then will be oblivion until early 2030s. And, it was all 100% avoidable. Even if Kyrie were to tear his ACL either way, we'd still have luka, pj, lively, gaff, naji, grimes, klay and some ok role guys to make a run. Luka had less when we went to the WCF a few years back.

I hope this forces the new ownership to sell. They'll never have a shot in hell of getting consensus fan buy-in after the trade, especially now. What's the point in owning this asset given the current climate and relationship with the city and fans? In a tradtional biz, anyone attached to these decisions would be fired immediately.
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In reply to jeffdjohnson • 11:41a
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Possibility that Kyrie just picks up his player option in 2025-26 and walks in the offseason.
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11:44a
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He'll pick up the option. Can't get close to it elsewhere and now also hurt. That said, I see a good chance of him walking the next year when he's UFA
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In reply to hph6203 • 11:45a
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hph6203 said:
Possibility that Kyrie just picks up his player option in 2025-26 and walks in the offseason.
I would with this ownership and nico. why would anyone have confidence in that group after this season?

Also, if he does stay, we're talking about a 34 yr old coming back from ACL who'd already been injury-prone for a number of diff injuries throughout his career. The kyrie of the last couple of seasons would not be who we're getting back. I hope we do get him back, but I'll be expecting a guy that's 75% of his current ability upon return, and maybe even just 50% when he does come back next year.

Nico and co just stripped pro basketball fandom from us for a long time. **** them.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 11:55a
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He'll pick up the option. Can't get close to it elsewhere and now also hurt. That said, I see a good chance of him walking the next year when he's UFA
Unless he just wants out of the **** show that badly, yeah picking up the option will be his best pay day for next year. After that he'd either be stupid or desperate to return to this team after next season. I can't imagine free agents are going to be clamoring to get here, gonna have to overpay.

I'm glad I'm not a die hard fan like I was 20 years ago anymore. This would have ****ing hurt. At least now I can just roll my eyes at it instead of letting it change my day. I would've needed a paper bag if this happened during prime Dirk.
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12:04p
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The whole point of Cuban hiring Nico was to get a salesman that could sell free agents on Dallas. He was not a basketball guy. What a ticking bomb Cuban planted.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:12p
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DannyDuberstein said:
The whole point of Cuban hiring Nico was to get a salesman that could sell free agents on Dallas. He was not a basketball guy. What a ticking bomb Cuban planted.
I do think Cuban shares some blame here. I'm glad he bled for this franchise and city as much as he did, but that's all very watered down now with the nico hire and who he sold the team to. If you really cared all these years, why the **** would you sell to a group that's not 10% as invested emotionally. I'm sure there were plenty of potential buyers over the years.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:13p
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The whole point of Cuban hiring Nico was to get a salesman that could sell free agents on Dallas. He was not a basketball guy. What a ticking bomb Cuban planted.

Yeah but selling to Adelson and Dumont was his fatal error. No way Nico gets away with this ludicrous trade if Cuban is still majority owner.
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In reply to Spaceship • 12:23p
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DannyDuberstein said:
The whole point of Cuban hiring Nico was to get a salesman that could sell free agents on Dallas. He was not a basketball guy. What a ticking bomb Cuban planted.

Yeah but selling to Adelson and Dumont was his fatal error. No way Nico gets away with this ludicrous trade if Cuban is still majority owner.
I'm not saying it's likely but I'm not as sold on that as you are. He had plenty of **** ups of his own.
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In reply to Spaceship • 12:24p
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Agree. It is the danger of going that direction though. If you decide to relinquish control, you've left the team in the hands of a moron. As a 27% owner, he could have also asked for some sort of seat at the table when it comes to basketball ops. He didn't have to leave himself powerless to something like this
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:32p
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Agree. It is the danger of going that direction though. If you decide to relinquish control, you've left the team in the hands of a moron. As a 27% owner, he could have also asked for some sort of seat at the table when it comes to basketball ops. He didn't have to leave himself powerless to something like this

Cuban probably thought no one was this stupid.

They had a top 5 player for the next however many years.

At a certain point, you shouldn't be able to **** that up. Shouldn't being the key word.
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How can Cuban own a quarter of this team, be active for +25 years, draft Luka, hire Nico, and Nico and Dumont don't at least speak to Cuban? That will always be one of the most insane things ever. That combined incompetence and confidence is literally what causes wars, tanks companies, and destroys families.
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In reply to 500,000ags • 12:45p
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500,000ags said:
How can Cuban own a quarter of this team, be active for +25 years, draft Luka, hire Nico, and Nico and Dumont don't at least speak to Cuban? That will always be one of the most insane things ever. That combined incompetence and confidence is literally what causes wars, tanks companies, and destroys families.
I think that is pretty clear...Cuban hates the trade and they know it. If they talk, he either stops it or leaks it, and its dead.
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12:52p
I get Cuban's logic in some ways. He didn't want to pass the team onto his kids (see Jerry Jones). So he made a "clever" real estate / gambling play on top of cashing out. But the whole thing is so cynical and shallow. So you want to put a casino in front of the arena just so you can rip off Mavs fans and squeeze them for a few extra dollars on game day? It's so cynical, but yes, that is what this all about. Remember that if you ever attend an Irving Mavericks game in a few years. So he sold the team to some people who don't care about the city and could care less about the stewardship of the team. Well **** Cuban too then, he's gotten off too easy.
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Agreed. The fact that they apparently are going to walk away from the city and what's been built up in victory park (along Nowitzki Way, btw) is pretty offensive in itself.
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Sadly this kind of injury was inevitable given his age and the load he was handling on the offensive side of the ball. Nico catostrophically failed (again) by not getting another ball handler at the deadline to replace Luka. Making the decision making even more baffling

This will go down as the worst trade in the history of the NBA
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*Forced to sell in order to cover leveraged NFT purchases and says he doesn't want his kids to have to run it as an excuse.
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In reply to jeffdjohnson • 2:02p
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That leaves the 2032 draft as the first one where you can "tank" and keep your high drafted players. That could still easily become another 5 year process before you hit on a few picks and they mature. Mavs are probably 10+ years from being relevant again.
Great summation and 100% agree. 10 years at BEST. Just look at some of these franchises that have been tanking for YEARS and are still nowhere close to contending (Charlotte, Washington, Chicago, NOLA, ect.). The Mavs have to do something that's never happened in their history; get lucky with their lottery slot. THEN they have to get lucky with the talent available. THEN they actually have to make the right pick. THEN they have to do that at least 2 more times. THEN they can maybe conceivably start to contend.

That string of maybes can take a minimum of 5 years for a team WITH ALL THEIR PICKS. A team like Detroit for instance is JUST NOW starting to get frisky with 5 lottery picks on their roster. A franchise that has been in the lottery 13 of the last 15 years. They just got their 1st drafted all star appearance with Cade (a 'generational' #1 pick they took 3 years ago) since 2017 (Andre Drummond).

Like guys...there's a chance the Mavs are bottom dwellers for 15-20 years.
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That will make Mark Cuban 80-85 years old when his 40 year passion might be good again. Nice job, Mark
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Shams saying AD wants to sit the rest of the season now.

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It's completely reasonable at this point.
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Also Lively, Martin, and Gafford should not play again this season. PJ and Klay probably not either. This season is shot. Need to get as healthy as possible for next season.

Let Naji and Christie get as much work with the ball as possible, because we'll probably need to see a lot of it next season.

Lots of people going to need to be healthy and playing good ball until Kyrie gets back.
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