***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.
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Fascinated to see what the atmosphere is like for the first home game. Nico and the owners should probably not attend another game.
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If that's how the Mavs GM makes strategic decisions, wow
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Does Cubes still sit right behind the team?
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Ag1188 said:


we have In n Out
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Muy said:

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If that's how the Mavs GM makes strategic decisions, wow
When the other GM thinks you are joking, you might want to rethink your trade.
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It's so disturbing, that if I were Pelinka, I would think "what does he know that I don't." It's seriously so crazy that when you're offered it, you would have to think about declining just because it's so insane. If I'm Pelinka I'm saying "what am I missing here?" Being made the offer forces the assumption that there is information not in public record.

There just has to be information we aren't privy to. Nico wanted out of the Luka business so bad that this is what he did.

It has to be the case. It's what I keep forcing myself to believe lol.
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Nike Exec Niko got Bron to agree on the down low to opt out and sign with Dallas for the Vet min to join his buddies Kyie, Klay, and AD. Bron wants to win Finals MVP with 4 teams.
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The league probably just needs viewership to improve.
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shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.


The problem with this logic is they traded him for aging big that doesn't stay on the floor either
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shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.
Its really weird to watch a "fan" immediately back the dog**** organization. I expect it from a reporter like MacMahaon, his livelihood is dependent on it. But a fan? gtfo
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DannyDuberstein said:

shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.


The problem with this logic is they traded him for aging big that doesn't stay on the floor either
and no haul of 1sts
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PatAg said:

shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.
Its really weird to watch a "fan" immediately back the dog**** organization. I expect it from a reporter like MacMahaon, his livelihood is dependent on it. But a fan? gtfo


I've been a fan of the mavericks my whole life. Why wouldn't I try to rationalize what my favorite team did?

I'm also aware you were completely blind to Luka's deficiencies and were making excuses for him last year when he was clearly fat and not locked in near enough, especially defensively.

I don't like the deal. But I'm a Mavs fan, so I'm going to keep watching the Mavs and hoping for good things for the Mavs.
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shack009 said:

PatAg said:

shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.
Its really weird to watch a "fan" immediately back the dog**** organization. I expect it from a reporter like MacMahaon, his livelihood is dependent on it. But a fan? gtfo


I've been a fan of the mavericks my whole life. Why wouldn't I try to rationalize what my favorite team did?

I'm also aware you were completely blind to Luka's deficiencies and were making excuses for him last year when he was clearly fat and not locked in near enough, especially defensively.

I don't like the deal. But I'm a Mavs fan, so I'm going to keep watching the Mavs and hoping for good things for the Mavs.
fake fan. Ive said many times he needs to take a summer off and actually get in shape. But hes still a top 5 player, and likely to be a top 20 player all time. You win champiionships with that player.
This trade is indefensible in every way.
Trading him at all is insane, but COULD be defended with the right trade.
None of the logic tracks when you look at the actual trade, AND we didnt even get a haul of 1sts.
Its indefensible
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shack009 said:

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The odd part of "body breaking down" is that basically none of this stuff he's had has been that serious. Mostly muscle strains and bs. Yeah, he needs to get his **** in gear, but it's not like he's already ruined it in any way or suffered something that can be expected to plague him


He does have that knee that has started bleeding randomly since the playoffs and through the start of this season.


That's just too many court burns over the years that has scarred up, so the tissue isn't flexible and probably just cracks back open easily
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PatAg said:

shack009 said:

PatAg said:

shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.
Its really weird to watch a "fan" immediately back the dog**** organization. I expect it from a reporter like MacMahaon, his livelihood is dependent on it. But a fan? gtfo


I've been a fan of the mavericks my whole life. Why wouldn't I try to rationalize what my favorite team did?

I'm also aware you were completely blind to Luka's deficiencies and were making excuses for him last year when he was clearly fat and not locked in near enough, especially defensively.

I don't like the deal. But I'm a Mavs fan, so I'm going to keep watching the Mavs and hoping for good things for the Mavs.
fake fan


That's right, true fans stop following when the team does something they don't like.
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There's scuttlebutt on Twitter about Luka being at risk of failing his physical. Apparently one other team was approached about it and said no after looking through the prelim medical stuff.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

There's scuttlebutt on Twitter about Luka being at risk of failing his physical. Apparently one other team was approached about it and said no after looking through the prelim medical stuff.
The only other team that would make sense to approach if they want a win now 2-way forward was Milwaukee.
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Would be pretty significant vindication for Nico.

Luka's time is probably done here either way, but now Nico would get a second bite at the apple and the fan base would have the same damning information Nico had.
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This deal reeks of a guy (Nico) who got carried away obsessing about the flaws. Seeing Boston who defends very well probably got it rolling. Then Luka follows it with more of what worries you about him. The problem is when you obsess about the flaws you have while not seeing all of the other flaws of the alternatives. You just don't get the chance to get a guy like Luka. You have to exhaust finding ways to keep him on the court.
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And if the report that he is up to 270 is true, that means he's over 10 pounds heavier than his previous max official playing weight.
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Just a hypothetical, If you are trading for a win now player to fit with the team sansLuka, what deal do you want?

I'm guessing Milwaukee said no to Giannis, and that would be my first call over AD.

No prospect and 8 picks, like PG, since they Niko said they wanted a win now trade.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

There's scuttlebutt on Twitter about Luka being at risk of failing his physical. Apparently one other team was approached about it and said no after looking through the prelim medical stuff.

Wouldn't a failed physically nullify the trade?
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shack009 said:

PatAg said:

shack009 said:

PatAg said:

shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Zachary Klement said:

rsf0626 said:

Nico must have inklings that Luka wasnt going to re-sign here. This is the only thing that makes sense at the moment
Kind of wild to think he would just walk away from a 5-year $345 million super-max deal.

Honestly, I think Nico was just being a complete dumbass here...the return makes no sense. They should have gotten way more for Luka.

This feels like a type of deal in fantasy football that one of your buddies texts you about and you are so shocked they'd even propose the idea that you have to try and act like you aren't too excited so they will actually propose it in the app.
I don't think Luka would have walked away, though. I think he would have signed it and just kept half assing his conditioning like he has been. There isn't really a history of European stars forcing their way out like there is with American stars (Kawhi, AD, Durant, Harden, etc)


Yeah, Luka wasn't at risk of leaving in free agency. He'd have been leaving $100 million on the table.

I'm probably coping, but the Mavs were absolutely going to be stuck in a cycle of Luka being perpetually overweight and unhealthy while also always wanting to play in Euro tournaments. Luka loves representing Slovenia and he was never going to be a guy who would take a summer off to recover. He also wasn't going to be a guy who took conditioning or reshaping his body seriously. He may do that now with a new "f you" mentality, but there was no inkling of that changing while he was here.

ETA: He still was a top 3 player with the conditioning and injury issues, so I'm not just ****ting on him. But let's also not act like we hadn't been talking about his weight and his on court antics before the finals run. The finals run made a lot of talking points go away, but we kinda got a glimpse of his capped ceiling against teams that can switch and will make him defend.
Its really weird to watch a "fan" immediately back the dog**** organization. I expect it from a reporter like MacMahaon, his livelihood is dependent on it. But a fan? gtfo


I've been a fan of the mavericks my whole life. Why wouldn't I try to rationalize what my favorite team did?

I'm also aware you were completely blind to Luka's deficiencies and were making excuses for him last year when he was clearly fat and not locked in near enough, especially defensively.

I don't like the deal. But I'm a Mavs fan, so I'm going to keep watching the Mavs and hoping for good things for the Mavs.
fake fan Ive said many times he needs to take a summer off and actually get in shape. But hes still a top 5 player, and likely to be a top 20 player all time. You win champiionships with that player.

This trade is indefensible in every way.
Trading him at all is insane, but COULD be defended with the right trade.
None of the logic tracks when you look at the actual trade, AND we didnt even get a haul of 1sts.
Its indefensible


That's right, true fans stop following when the team does something they don't like.
I did add the rest of this, and yea im being hyperbolous with the fake fan insults. you definitely arent fake.

BUT, there is truly no defense of how Nico proceeded. Even if you agree with the decision to trade Luka instead of giving him a supermax deal next offseason...this CANT be your trade return.
and all the logic they gave doesnt apply to the rest of the trade when its AD you are getting.

and I never defended Luka being out of shape or injured, I just disagreed with the notion that it was the problem with the team. He still dominated.

I just truly cant understand seeing this trade occur, and even having ANY instinct to agree with it like you did.
But its probably just how you approach things i guess, you are just immediately trying to find the silver lining to avoid doing what the rest of the fanbase is doing "screw this team!" which I get, it doesnt make sense, but I get it.

I will personally never stop being a mavs fan, but that doesnt mean I will go to any more games this season.
You cant be invested as a fan and NOT be personally offended by the trade. and they have absolutely lost a LARGE percentage of fans from a certain age range with this trade
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Yeah it would have been nice to ship him to OKC in return for that mountain of future picks they're sitting on, but I get not wanting to trade Luka within the division. Dude might earn the scoring title just from the games he played against the Mavs in that scenario.
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I don't agree with the trade. I said I didn't like it.

But there are explanations that you can understand in Nico's head. I was just laying those out.
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Spaceship said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

There's scuttlebutt on Twitter about Luka being at risk of failing his physical. Apparently one other team was approached about it and said no after looking through the prelim medical stuff.

Wouldn't a failed physically nullify the trade?


Only if the receiving team wants it to. They can always accept a player anyway. I don't think there is much short of ass cancer that would have them reject it
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Guitarsoup said:

Just a hypothetical, If you are trading for a win now player to fit with the team sansLuka, what deal do you want?

I'm guessing Milwaukee said no to Giannis, and that would be my first call over AD.

No prospect and 8 picks, like PG, since they Niko said they wanted a win now trade.


Lamelo Ball. Maybe Fox. Somebody with well over 5 years of prime ball ahead of them. Bane plus picks.

If you wanted an elite wing then Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes.

Those are realistic options, I'm not adding people who obviously won't be moved like SGA, J Dub, Ant.
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J.P. 03 said:

Yeah it would have been nice to ship him to OKC in return for that mountain of future picks they're sitting on, but I get not wanting to trade Luka within the division. Dude might earn the scoring title just from the games he played against the Mavs in that scenario.
Divisions don't really matter anymore in the NBA. You play the Lakers as much as the Thunder, Spurs or Blazers. But send him to the East and you only see him 2x/year plus only in the playoffs if both teams make the Finals.
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J.P. 03 said:

Yeah it would have been nice to ship him to OKC in return for that mountain of future picks they're sitting on, but I get not wanting to trade Luka within the division. Dude might earn the scoring title just from the games he played against the Mavs in that scenario.


OKC isn't moving those picks for a guy who is redundant to what they have. They have guys who can handle and shoot and also play defense. It doesn't really make sense for them to have Luka, J Dub, and SGA all on the court.

The OKC picks are for an eventual Dort upgrade and/or a 4/5 upgrade. They don't want to rely on Chet being healthy and Arkansas J Will to have to play.
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Sucks for Anthony Davis that he'll take the brunt of this idiotic deal since the fans can't boo dumbass Nico and the ****bird gamblers
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we shouldnt boo any player on the team, and just do "fire Nico" chants
and obviously cheer for Luka anytime they visit
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Guitarsoup said:

J.P. 03 said:

Yeah it would have been nice to ship him to OKC in return for that mountain of future picks they're sitting on, but I get not wanting to trade Luka within the division. Dude might earn the scoring title just from the games he played against the Mavs in that scenario.
Divisions don't really matter anymore in the NBA. You play the Lakers as much as the Thunder, Spurs or Blazers. But send him to the East and you only see him 2x/year plus only in the playoffs if both teams make the Finals.

Well, shows what I know. Clearly I'm part of the 40% or whatever decline in ratings that the NBA is experiencing. I'm just impressed with myself that i knew OKC had all those picks.
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Guitarsoup said:

Just a hypothetical, If you are trading for a win now player to fit with the team sansLuka, what deal do you want?

I'm guessing Milwaukee said no to Giannis, and that would be my first call over AD.

No prospect and 8 picks, like PG, since they Niko said they wanted a win now trade.


There's no way to get adequate player compensation for Luka. It's like trying to trade Jokic, nobody would give up the kind of personnel resources needed to make that deal "even". The only way to do it is a ton of picks.
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