Obi Wan Ginobili said:

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AggieEP said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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nothing wrong with sitting on our assets and waiting for him to be a free agent and then signing him if he wants to be here so bad.

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Philosophically, I disagree. Wemby is already a top 20 player, an All-Star, and defensive MVP. You want to wait to get him help? WHY???? The Spurs are nearly .500 right now with NO ONE on the team to help this man.

We can't sit on assets forever. We can't make 20 first round picks in 6 years. There aren't enough roster spots. Our own picks are going to become more and more worthless each season.

Wemby strikes me as the type of person who, after enough losing, will absolutely walk or ask to be traded down the road. I wouldn't blame him in the slightest if the Spurs waste his youth. He's a unicorn, you need to make unicorn moves. He's young and he's shown time and again already that he has a bloodlust for winning. Maybe I'm going too far, but I also feel like since he is European, he will have his homes support no matter what jersey he wears. I'm sure he would never WANT to hurt the Spurs, but if I'm Wemby and the Spurs are getting in my way of greatness, I'm out the door.

Forget the future. Spare me the eye rolls, but like LeBron and Kobe and so many greats before him, if he is The One, Wemby will erase so many problems in "the future" that you can afford to take big swings right now. (That wasn't me saying he is on LeBron or Kobe's level, that was me saying that if they expect that from him, you have to treat him like one of those guys).

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Many terrible takes here.

First, "noone can help Wemby"? So he's winning at a .500 clip all by himself.. right. So you think Castle, Sochan, and Vassell aren't viable players? I think you're wrong and this season is proving that.

Second, Wemby has said over and over that he wants to build this smartly and not skip steps. You think if they win 41 games this and then win 47 next year that's considered "too much losing"? I think you're a fool. Not to mention no European player has EVER pulled the "I want out" card. Do you really think Wemby wants to be the first? The Spurs remain the nation of France's favorite team.

Finally, I'm glad you mentioned Labron. Remember, the Cavs tried so hard to win during his youth that they made a lot of moves that ended up burning them and leaving them with no options to make anymore. It got so bad that he famously left. That's exactly what you're trying to avoid.

Two different Fox to SA trade scenarios in the Athletic today:

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Spurs acquire De'Aaron Fox from Kings, Simone Fontecchio from Pistons
Kings acquire Tre Jones, Blake Wesley, Sandro Mamukelashvili, two 2025 first-round picks (via SAS and ATL), a top-10 protected 2025 first-round pick (via CHI) and a 2027 first-round pick (via ATL)
Pistons acquire Harrison Barnes, Malaki Branham and a 2025 second-round pick (via SAS from SAC)

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Kings acquire Jimmy Butler from the Heat, Tre Jones, Blake Wesley and two first-round picks from Spurs
Heat acquire Bruce Brown from Raptors, DeMar DeRozan from Kings and a first-round pick from Spurs
Spurs acquire Fox from Kings and Davion Mitchell from Raptors
Raptors acquire Harrison Barnes, Malaki Branham and two second-round picks from Spurs

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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6095447/2025/01/29/deaaron-fox-trade-rumors-kings-spurs-rockets-magic/

The second one is just Trade Machine fun.

LawHall88 said:

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Two different Fox to SA trade scenarios in the Athletic today:

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Spurs acquire De'Aaron Fox from Kings, Simone Fontecchio from Pistons
Kings acquire Tre Jones, Blake Wesley, Sandro Mamukelashvili, two 2025 first-round picks (via SAS and ATL), a top-10 protected 2025 first-round pick (via CHI) and a 2027 first-round pick (via ATL)
Pistons acquire Harrison Barnes, Malaki Branham and a 2025 second-round pick (via SAS from SAC)

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Kings acquire Jimmy Butler from the Heat, Tre Jones, Blake Wesley and two first-round picks from Spurs
Heat acquire Bruce Brown from Raptors, DeMar DeRozan from Kings and a first-round pick from Spurs
Spurs acquire Fox from Kings and Davion Mitchell from Raptors
Raptors acquire Harrison Barnes, Malaki Branham and two second-round picks from Spurs

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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6095447/2025/01/29/deaaron-fox-trade-rumors-kings-spurs-rockets-magic/

The second one is just Trade Machine fun.

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I thought both were awful. That Hawks pick is gold with JJ out for the season. Spurs aren't giving 4 picks including all Hawks picks for a guy that is a borderline top 10 PG.

Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Atlanta Hawks' Jalen Johnson will undergo season-ending surgery to repair a shoulder injury, sources tell ESPN. Johnson has averaged 19 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists for the Hawks this season.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) January 29, 2025

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I'm sorry for the Hawks, but also I hope they don't win another game the rest of the season.
They have lost six straight now.

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This does make the Spurs pick more valuable but it's going to be dependent on the hawks not making the playoffs. IMO even without Johnson, they will be a shoe-in for the play-in. I don't see Chicago trying to remain competitive. I think they have moves to make before the deadline. They have no reason to give the pick away to SA. I don't see Atlanta falling out of the top 10 in the East. If they do great. If they don't, we better hope they lose the playin games, which isn't a given. On the surface the injury looks like it changes our pick entirely but there's a major asterisk.

Ag Natural said:

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Many terrible takes here.

First, "noone can help Wemby"? So he's winning at a .500 clip all by himself.. right. So you think Castle, Sochan, and Vassell aren't viable players? I think you're wrong and this season is proving that.

Second, Wemby has said over and over that he wants to build this smartly and not skip steps. You think if they win 41 games this and then win 47 next year that's considered "too much losing"? I think you're a fool. Not to mention no European player has EVER pulled the "I want out" card. Do you really think Wemby wants to be the first? The Spurs remain the nation of France's favorite team.

Finally, I'm glad you mentioned Labron. Remember, the Cavs tried so hard to win during his youth that they made a lot of moves that ended up burning them and leaving them with no options to make anymore. It got so bad that he famously left. That's exactly what you're trying to avoid.

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Someone disagrees with you so you call them names? I'm sure you're fun to have conversations with.

I didn't say Vassell, Castle and Sochan aren't "viable players" (What does this even mean? Is "viable" the bar we set now?). I don't believe any of them are a number 2, now or in the future. MAYBE Castle. Guess we should wait a couple years and waste our defensive MVP while we found out!

I literally said I don't think Wemby wants to leave. Again, if you simply change the words, you can make anything fit your argument here. I said Wemby has every right to leave if the Spurs waste his youth, and I wouldn't blame him one bit.

Your European player comparison isn't a great one either. How many elite Euros have there been compared to elite US players? The most recent example happened this year when Giannis very candidly said he loves the Bucks but he is committed to winning even if it means options elsewhere. I'm not taking wild guesses here, the NBA has moved into the stage of the game where players can seemingly say and do whatever they want and get away with it.

Finally, Cleveland. PLEASE show the moves they made to help LeBron. I'll go to Basketball-Reference real quick and post their rosters during his first run and then you can try to sit here and tell me Cleveland was doing their best. His support was TERRIBLE.

Enzo The Baker said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Atlanta Hawks' Jalen Johnson will undergo season-ending surgery to repair a shoulder injury, sources tell ESPN. Johnson has averaged 19 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists for the Hawks this season.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) January 29, 2025

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I'm sorry for the Hawks, but also I hope they don't win another game the rest of the season.
They have lost six straight now.

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This does make the Spurs pick more valuable but it's going to be dependent on the hawks not making the playoffs. IMO even without Johnson, they will be a shoe-in for the play-in. I don't see Chicago trying to remain competitive. I think they have moves to make before the deadline. They have no reason to give the pick away to SA. I don't see Atlanta falling out of the top 10 in the East. If they do great. If they don't, we better hope they lose the playin games, which isn't a given. On the surface the injury looks like it changes our pick entirely but there's a major asterisk.

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Hawks, Bulls and 76ers will finished 9, 10, and 11 in some order in the East.

Portland has won 6 of 7 and they are 4 games behind Atlanta.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Portland plays 4 games better than ATL over the last half of the season. If they swap places in overall standings, the ATL pick has a 1/3 chance at top 4 and avg pick is 6.2.

Fox's value drops a ton of he isn't dealt in the next week. Sacramento is under pressure, not us. We can wait until the lottery to make a deal. If they wait, everyone except Miami, Houston, and SA sees Fox as a 1 year rental.

Waiting until the summer is fine. This season is a waste anyways. Waiting for Fox to reach free agency is just a waste of time.

Gotta keep that ATL first.

For the love of God, go get Fox. Send them Vassell, Tre, + some picks. Bonus if we can ship Collins out for Huerter.

Show me something Wright.

Sac wants win now players and they need shooting? Sent the Chicago 1st back to Chicago with Keldon and Collins and Chicago sends LaVine to Sacramento. Chicago tanks properly and dumps off Vuch for picks somewhere else.

Sacramento has: Sabonis, Murray, Deebo, LaVine, Monk with Ellis, Carter, and Tre coming off the bench.

Spurs keep the core together including Devin.

Obi Wan Ginobili said:

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Ag Natural said:

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Many terrible takes here.

First, "noone can help Wemby"? So he's winning at a .500 clip all by himself.. right. So you think Castle, Sochan, and Vassell aren't viable players? I think you're wrong and this season is proving that.

Second, Wemby has said over and over that he wants to build this smartly and not skip steps. You think if they win 41 games this and then win 47 next year that's considered "too much losing"? I think you're a fool. Not to mention no European player has EVER pulled the "I want out" card. Do you really think Wemby wants to be the first? The Spurs remain the nation of France's favorite team.

Finally, I'm glad you mentioned Labron. Remember, the Cavs tried so hard to win during his youth that they made a lot of moves that ended up burning them and leaving them with no options to make anymore. It got so bad that he famously left. That's exactly what you're trying to avoid.

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Someone disagrees with you so you call them names? I'm sure you're fun to have conversations with.

I didn't say Vassell, Castle and Sochan aren't "viable players" (What does this even mean? Is "viable" the bar we set now?). I don't believe any of them are a number 2, now or in the future. MAYBE Castle. Guess we should wait a couple years and waste our defensive MVP while we found out!

I literally said I don't think Wemby wants to leave. Again, if you simply change the words, you can make anything fit your argument here. I said Wemby has every right to leave if the Spurs waste his youth, and I wouldn't blame him one bit.

Your European player comparison isn't a great one either. How many elite Euros have there been compared to elite US players? The most recent example happened this year when Giannis very candidly said he loves the Bucks but he is committed to winning even if it means options elsewhere. I'm not taking wild guesses here, the NBA has moved into the stage of the game where players can seemingly say and do whatever they want and get away with it.

Finally, Cleveland. PLEASE show the moves they made to help LeBron. I'll go to Basketball-Reference real quick and post their rosters during his first run and then you can try to sit here and tell me Cleveland was doing their best. His support was TERRIBLE.

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You literally said nobody in this team can help him. That's a foolish statement.

JAMES HARDEN SHAQTIN' A FOOL

JEREMY SOCHAN GREAT DEFENSE pic.twitter.com/bDptnCt6mK

— WembyMuse (@Wemby_Muse) January 30, 2025

Jeremy steals from Harden on two straight plays.

Obi Wan Ginobili said:

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Waiting until the summer is fine. This season is a waste anyways. Waiting for Fox to reach free agency is just a waste of time.

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I've been vocal about making bold winning moves as well on this board many times. The question is if Fox is that player. As Guitar mentioned, we would be committing to paying him like 30% of the cap, so if you do that AND give up huge draft assets you better be sure he's the guy you want because you are limiting your ability to pivot off of him if the fit isn't right.

I think he's a big upgrade, and makes us better, but not so much better that we push all in for him.

So I agree with your sentiment of pushing all in, I'm just not sure if Fox is that guy.

But sure, for the right price let's roll and see if Fox and Wemby is the winning combo we need.

This sequence in the third. Three blocks in a row by Wemby igniting an 8-0 run. Clippers (harden?) trying to start **** with Wemby.

lol harden flopping on a three and getting pissed at the no call. Let's go!

Somewhere pop is crying in a glass of wine about crowd booing Kawhi every touch.

14/42 from three. And the L.

Tough beat.

Also, Kings fans are nuts. Reading the interwebs and it's "castle vassell and Sochan plus both Atlanta picks" for Fox, and anything less is getting hosed. To get Fox we'll have to part with a good player. Spurs aren't getting Fox for Keldon and Collins and a couple crap picks. I get that, but really? But I guess It's true what they say, you over value your own players.

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Tough beat.

Also, Kings fans are nuts. Reading the interwebs and it's "castle vassell and Sochan plus both Atlanta picks" for Fox, and anything less is getting hosed. To get Fox we'll have to part with a good player. Spurs aren't getting Fox for Keldon and Collins and a couple crap picks. I get that, but really? But I guess It's true what they say, you over value your own players.

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I've been seeing a bunch of mocks like this. Who do they think Fox is? He's not a superstar in his prime. Giving up that many assets for him is a death wish. The spurs would be much better off going after a backup center in the trade market and addressing guard in FA

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Tough beat.

Also, Kings fans are nuts. Reading the interwebs and it's "castle vassell and Sochan plus both Atlanta picks" for Fox, and anything less is getting hosed. To get Fox we'll have to part with a good player. Spurs aren't getting Fox for Keldon and Collins and a couple crap picks. I get that, but really? But I guess It's true what they say, you over value your own players.

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I go there for work frequently. Those folks in Sacto drink more kool aid than cowboys fans.


Especially when Fox has basically eliminated every other team for trade than the Spurs.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be curious to see what a bunch of spurs fans mocked up when we knew Kawhi was out the door. Were probably pretty damn outlandish too. It's what fan bases do I guess. KL had the spurs more over the barrel than Fox does Sac. But not by much. And we all saw what kind of return the Spurs got. I'd expect something along the same lines. They aren't going to get a full return for him, let alone $1.50 for their dollar.

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Don't get me wrong, I'd be curious to see what a bunch of spurs fans mocked up when we knew Kawhi was out the door. Were probably pretty damn outlandish too. It's what fan bases do I guess. KL had the spurs more over the barrel than Fox does Sac. But not by much. And we all saw what kind of return the Spurs got. I'd expect something along the same lines. They aren't going to get a full return for him, let alone $1.50 for their dollar.

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I may be wrong but it seems like the trades for multiple 1sts trend started right after Kawhi left. Like that trade happened just before the era of over spending picks started. Either way he screwed is with his demands.

2008and1 said:

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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Don't get me wrong, I'd be curious to see what a bunch of spurs fans mocked up when we knew Kawhi was out the door. Were probably pretty damn outlandish too. It's what fan bases do I guess. KL had the spurs more over the barrel than Fox does Sac. But not by much. And we all saw what kind of return the Spurs got. I'd expect something along the same lines. They aren't going to get a full return for him, let alone $1.50 for their dollar.

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I may be wrong but it seems like the trades for multiple 1sts trend started right after Kawhi left. Like that trade happened just before the era of over spending picks started. Either way he screwed is with his demands.

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That's exactly right. It was a year later that AD and PG trades broke the floodgates.

Yep.

Am optimistic given Sacramento's desire to make the playoffs this year that they'll be more interested a player package than draft comp.

Might need a third team to toss them another player in this to make it all work.

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— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) January 30, 2025

Another trade idea:

Jazz send John Collins to Kings
Jazz Receive: Zach Collins and Malaki Branham plus the Charlotte pick and the Bulls' 2nd Rounder this year. Saves $7M

Kings send: Fox, Huerter, and Lyles to SA.
Kings receive: Vassell, John Collins, Chicago 1st, ATL 2027 1st (top 8 protected, reverts to 27 Spurs 1st if top 8) and Sac Swap rights returned. Save $4M this year

Spurs receive Fox, Huerter and Lyles
Spurs send: Collins, Branham, Vassell, Chi & Char 2025 picks, Protected 2027 Atl pick and Sac swap. Add 10.5M this year.