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In reply to Guitarsoup • 4:26p, 2/6/25
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Guitarsoup said:
Hawks traded Hunter (2nd best healthy player) and Bogi for

Lavert: since Jan 1: 6.8p, 3.2r, 3.5a on .313/.215 shooting
Terence Mann: 6p/2r/3a this season
Bones Hyland: 11mpg for LAC. Shooting 39% from field
Niang: no defense backup stretch4 putting up 8.7/3.7 with good shooting numbers. 3x games over 15p this year, two in blow outs against tanking teams.
I don't know how a Hawks fan could continue to support their team. Its purely cost savings. As a counter, I have read in the past that a lot of NBA teams simply lose money every year. If the owner doesn't have money to burn, then I understand cutting payroll when you have a fringe playoff team.

But then again I don't understand how the Spurs barely beat the Hawks last night.

I have to think Trae Young will bolt in free agency next year. Hawks might as well either move, or shut down/sell their team.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 4:29p, 2/6/25
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Earth Rider said:
Guitarsoup said:
Hawks traded Hunter (2nd best healthy player) and Bogi for

Lavert: since Jan 1: 6.8p, 3.2r, 3.5a on .313/.215 shooting
Terence Mann: 6p/2r/3a this season
Bones Hyland: 11mpg for LAC. Shooting 39% from field
Niang: no defense backup stretch4 putting up 8.7/3.7 with good shooting numbers. 3x games over 15p this year, two in blow outs against tanking teams.
I don't know how a Hawks fan could continue to support their team. Its purely cost savings. As a counter, I have read in the past that a lot of NBA teams simply lose money every year. If the owner doesn't have money to burn, then I understand cutting payroll when you have a fringe playoff team.

But then again I don't understand how the Spurs barely beat the Hawks last night.

I have to think Trae Young will bolt in free agency next year. Hawks might as well either move, or shut down/sell their team.
Back when my family was involved with the Spurs, I know the Spurs didn't make a profit until the 1st or 2nd round games in the playoffs. But that was a long time ago and I don't have any recent data. But I know that the Holts demanded us out of the luxury tax to not lose money on the season ,which is why the Jackie Butler/ Scola trade happened. If you pay tax, you don't get a share of it, and that share is millions.

On another note:



Trae Young's dad just RTed this. Trae and his family are clearly pissed the Hawks aren't trying to win. I expect a massive meltdown this summer, especially as he sees how much fun DeAaron has in SA. Trae is under contract one more year, this summer would be his extension summer.

Wouldn't surprise me to demand to go to Brooklyn. Dallas would be closer to home for him, too. But I don't know how much time he wants to waste in Atlanta anymore.
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4:30p, 2/6/25
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Anybody else disappointed we didn't acquire a backup big?

We are a small lineup. I guess it doesn't matter as we are not ready to contend.

Any free agent bigs we may go after in the offseason?
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In reply to Earth Rider • 4:34p, 2/6/25
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Earth Rider said:
Anybody else disappointed we didn't acquire a backup big?

We are a small lineup. I guess it doesn't matter as we are not ready to contend.

Any free agent bigs we may go after in the offseason?
Would have been nice, but I'm more glad we didn't spend firsts on some dude like Mark Williams.

We probably pick up a spare dude that gets waived soon.

This summer:

Kevon Looney
Clint Capela
Luke Kornet (from Dallas)
Brook Lopez
Steven Adams
DayRon Sharpe
Mo Wagner (coming off ACL tear)

Also in the draft:

Khaman Malauch (duke)
Thomas Sorber (georgetown)
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 4:36p, 2/6/25
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Dang, I finally understand why the Spurs traded Scola.

I followed Scola after the Spurs drafted him, and thought he was going to be a solid rotational player. But the Spurs seemed to have traded him quick for nothing.

That trade never made any sense to me.
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5:05p, 2/6/25
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Even throwing in the towel it is going to be tough for the Hawks to fall in the East. They have a lot of bad teams behind them.
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In reply to 2008and1 • 5:26p, 2/6/25
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2008and1 said:
Even throwing in the towel it is going to be tough for the Hawks to fall in the East. They have a lot of bad teams behind them.


They're only three games up from the 11 spot. Just need them into the ping pong ball bounce.
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In reply to 2008and1 • 5:43p, 2/6/25
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Even throwing in the towel it is going to be tough for the Hawks to fall in the East. They have a lot of bad teams behind them.
They aren't going to tank... but they did just trade their second best healthy player for a bunch of spare parts.

I like LaVert, but he has been awful since December. Like completely unplayable.

Toronto just made a win-now move by trading Bruce Brown for Brandon Ingram and they have won 8 of 12 before that trade.

The Bulls didn't trade Vooch, because they want to win now, apparently. They aren't trying to tank.

Portland is playing great. Since Jan 15th, Scoot is putting up 18/4/6 on 50/47/82 shooting. Portland has won 9 of their last 10 and are 1 win back from the Hawks.

Philly didn't go off and sell players with value and have Embiid coming back.

Dipping behind all of these teams and the Spurs gives the Spurs a ~40% shot at the top 4 with the Hawks pick.
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5:48p, 2/6/25
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Stolen from Reddit

Wemby with Castle on & Sochan off: - 36.4 points per 100 - 62.6 TS% - 59.6 eFG% - 79.00 rim FG%
He makes nearly 60% of his 2s and 41% of his 3s when next to Castle.

Wemby with Sochan on & Castle off: - 34.7 points per 100 - 57.3 TS% - 51.8 eFG% - 72.9 rim FG%
He makes just 56% of his 2s and only 32% of his 3s when alongside Sochan.

With Castle on the court and Sochan off, Wemby also shoots less 3s and attacks inside with much more frequency.




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6:07p, 2/6/25
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Would you trade Atlanta's 3 picks back to them for Trae Young?

that would accelerate their tank. And Trae Young is a baller. he's so darn good. With his shooting at SG, Castle at SF, still need a big or two.

to me it makes sense. Spurs would then have their trio to make a run and pick up a couple of servicable bigs.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 6:26p, 2/6/25
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Earth Rider said:
Would you trade Atlanta's 3 picks back to them for Trae Young?

that would accelerate their tank. And Trae Young is a baller. he's so darn good. With his shooting at SG, Castle at SF, still need a big or two.

to me it makes sense. Spurs would then have their trio to make a run and pick up a couple of servicable bigs.


No.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 6:28p, 2/6/25
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Earth Rider said:
Would you trade Atlanta's 3 picks back to them for Trae Young?

that would accelerate their tank. And Trae Young is a baller. he's so darn good. With his shooting at SG, Castle at SF, still need a big or two.

to me it makes sense. Spurs would then have their trio to make a run and pick up a couple of servicable bigs.
**** NO.

I wouldn't have done it before we had Fox, and sure wouldn't now. Those three picks for JJJ or Evan Mobley maybe.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 6:31p, 2/6/25
Earth Rider said:
Would you trade Atlanta's 3 picks back to them for Trae Young?

that would accelerate their tank. And Trae Young is a baller. he's so darn good. With his shooting at SG, Castle at SF, still need a big or two.

to me it makes sense. Spurs would then have their trio to make a run and pick up a couple of servicable bigs.


Not a chance IMO, Trae isn't a bum, but his value to me is similar to the price we paid for Fox. (Although I personally value Fox higher because he does show effort on defense while Trae just hunts steals) Those ATL picks look like possible top 5 picks for the next 3 years with the roster they have now. No reason to give them their picks back.

Also purely from a roster construction point of view, Fox is going to be our highly paid guard, Wemby will get paid soon, and our next priority for a star has to be on the wing. If we were to take Young, we'd only have the flexibility to acquire replacement level spares and rookie contract guys for our wings, and in today's NBA that's not going to fly.

ETA: for me the priority has to be now getting this star wing in the fold before you have to pay Wemby and Castle. So basically the Spurs have 2 years to find this player.

Fox
Castle
Unknown Wing Star
Rando 3 and D guy that can bang down low and save Wemby
Wemby

That team could win a championship in the near future.
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6:51p, 2/6/25
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Hawks just traded deAndre Hunter scoring 19ppg on 62% TS for this fine young man

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7:07p, 2/6/25
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I personally like the roster fit of Fox significantly more that Trae, which has me really excited for this team moving forward. Probably felt that way prior to drafting castle but now even more so. Fox and castle can really be interchangeable, with either working off ball, but both fully capable of initiating the offense on ball. Can have either on the floor at any given time or together.

We saw how Trae did when another guy was running the point (DJM) and he had to work off ball. And let's just say the results weren't great
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In reply to HummingbirdSaltalamacchia • 7:17p, 2/6/25
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:
I personally like the roster fit of Fox significantly more that Trae, which has me really excited for this team moving forward. Probably felt that way prior to drafting castle but now even more so. Fox and castle can really be interchangeable, with either working off ball, but both fully capable of initiating the offense on ball. Can have either on the floor at any given time or together.

We saw how Trae did when another guy was running the point (DJM) and he had to work off ball. And let's just say the results weren't great
Exactly right. Trae has advantages in being crafty and being a better shooter. But I think Fox fits our team better.

Fox isn't a great defender, but Trae Young is one of the worst in the league. Fox has a good ability for jumping passing lanes and he's probably the fastest player in the league. With Castle, Sochan, Wemby, Julian, he has more ability to gamble on those passing lanes with more to back him up.

Last year (when he didn''t have a broken ass finger and shot better overall) Fox hit 39% of his catch and shoot threes.
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10:04p, 2/6/25
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Apparently Wiseman has been waived.
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In reply to superunknown • 10:15p, 2/6/25
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superunknown said:
Apparently Wiseman has been waived.


He tore his Achilles and is out for the season, so he would only be a marginal upgrade over Bassey.

Looking at our choice of

Bismarck Biyumbo
Daniel Theis
Mo Bamba
Dwight Howard
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 11:11p, 2/6/25
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Forgot some of those guys existed lol
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