cs69ag said:

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The problem with the MSU job is you have to live in Starkville.

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And their school colors are Maroon and Ag school. No coach is going to want to go there.

LB12Diamond said:

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Jack Boyette said:

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85AustinAg said:

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O'Connor is getting mentioned a lot by MSU folks as a target FWIW.

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We're a better job imo.

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Why?

State has the best facility is my understanding?

Both A&M and State are top jobs.


I hope Trev understands that one now and makes an appropriate job search.

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NIL, overall resources, access to talent.

Well

Both most likely will be looking for coaches this off season. It will be interesting to watch it play out between the two schools.

Agree with everything you said. Do you think Trev understands this?

I. haven't a clue there.

Get Heefner (I know) and let it be known that we encourage him to continue his off the field spiritual and philanthropic work. Saving souls is not limited to the Metroplex.

RED AG 98 said:

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Both are without question top tier jobs. There is nothing at either school that is a massive barrier for an elite coach. Both have passionate fanbases and demonstrated commitment to baseball.

Here's the kicker for me: read about or ask folks about the top jobs in college baseball. State is likely to be on nearly every list. We would be on some but certainly fewer.

In typical fashion, the case for the Aggies is about potential, though the last guy certainly proved that elite coaching can make it better in a hurry.

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I'd be interested to see these lists, as I've never seen one.

I'd also be interested if these lists are actually considering the same criteria coaches actually consider. They're usually different.

RED AG 98 said:

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I. haven't a clue there.

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My guess is that he should bc he was in Omaha when we were one game away from winning it all.

sadly he does we discussed this on another thread

pedigree be damned

BraxtonW said:

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Jack Boyette said:

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85AustinAg said:

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O'Connor is getting mentioned a lot by MSU folks as a target FWIW.

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We're a better job imo.

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No way you believe that lmao

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I absolutely do. Give me your reasons why I'm wrong.

Wicked Good Ag said:

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sadly he does we discussed this on another thread

pedigree be damned

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Pedigree like USC, Arizona State, Rice.

Gee, I wonder what I could possibly be thinking. The amount of simple minded people here are incredible for such a good school.

I gave you the reasons in another thread

You havent given anything to respond why you think this is a better job


Give your reasons

and i see you added Rice after i said those other teams are in the tourney

Word from well connected MSU guy is they are targeting to hire one of either O'Connor or Wasikowski.

Wicked Good Ag said:

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I gave you the reasons in another thread

You havent given anything to respond why you think this is a better job


Give your reasons

and i see you added Rice after i said those other teams are in the tourney

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The "reasons" you gave were nonsense. I've already stated why it's a better job.

Added Rice? Yes, and I could add many more. Your illogic is so preposterous it's impossible not to keep piling on.

How does the fact that USC and ASu are in the tournament this year change a single thing about the substance of this question?

YOU GAVE NO reasons at all why TAMU is better than Miss State and most of the college baseball world would disagree with you

You said pedigree didnt matter

what criteria is TAMU better than Miss State at baseball historically ?

You mentioned NIL but spending the most doesnt matter sometimes and Miss State can find plenty of money for baseball

You want to believe it doesnt make it true

They are better than us at baseball in nearly every metric

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RED AG 98 said:

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Both are without question top tier jobs. There is nothing at either school that is a massive barrier for an elite coach. Both have passionate fanbases and demonstrated commitment to baseball.

Here's the kicker for me: read about or ask folks about the top jobs in college baseball. State is likely to be on nearly every list. We would be on some but certainly fewer.

In typical fashion, the case for the Aggies is about potential, though the last guy certainly proved that elite coaching can make it better in a hurry.

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Can't say I disagree. If the change occurs, the distinction between the 2 programs will be highlighted and compared for the next couple of seasons.

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One thing no one is talking about is how the House settlement will/may change college baseball next. If it is implemented, then we will see a dramatic change in the landscape. We will go from 11.7 partial scholarships, spread among 32 players with a total roster of 40 something, augmented by whatever NIL money boosters care to throw in, to having 34 full rides and a few grandfathered walkons, but virtually no NIL. A&M is committed to funding the full 34, but not all schools will; even some SEC schools may not. This will make baseball recruiting more like football recruiting used to be, where it just comes down to which coaching staff or setting you like better because the money will be the same everywhere.

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..... that seems better given what we have to compare it to today.

Jack Boyette said:

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BraxtonW said:

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Jack Boyette said:

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O'Connor is getting mentioned a lot by MSU folks as a target FWIW.

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We're a better job imo.

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No way you believe that lmao

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I absolutely do. Give me your reasons why I'm wrong.

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Better facilities too. I'd say A&M is a top 15 job. Miss state is a better baseball job and that's majority agreed on and pretty obvious

Jack Boyette said:

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Jack Boyette said:

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O'Connor is getting mentioned a lot by MSU folks as a target FWIW.

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We're a better job imo.

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No way you believe that lmao

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I absolutely do. Give me your reasons why I'm wrong.

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I do like the confidence. But we got to tune it down a little and know our place.

Maroon Flash said:

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Word from well connected MSU guy is they are targeting to hire one of either O'Connor or Wasikowski.

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I had drinks with some BM Miss State donors after our game at the SEC tournament. They mentioned O'Connor or Canham. Technically, they said "Virginia or Oregon State" coaches. They could have mixed up Oregon and Oregon State.

Wicked Good Ag said:

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YOU GAVE NO reasons at all why TAMU is better than Miss State and most of the college baseball world would disagree with you

You said pedigree didnt matter

what criteria is TAMU better than Miss State at baseball historically ?

You mentioned NIL but spending the most doesnt matter sometimes and Miss State can find plenty of money for baseball

You want to believe it doesnt make it true

They are better than us at baseball in nearly every metric

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You're making my point for me. You're citing history. History =/= Job.


Here's the deal, and this is how coaches think. From having a family full of them and being a former coach myself: where can I get the talent I need to have a chance to win? It used to be that programs recruited off history and facilities. That is not really true anymore. They recruit off the ability to pay kids and get them drafted. The former is part of the place, and I don't think MSU can pay what we can. The latter is dependent on THAT staff. What prior staffs did that aren't there anymore means didly *****

Is that your reasoning?

Nevermind you wont find many college baseball people thinking that TAMU is better than MIss State

sorry

and sure NIL and transfer portal will be big in the coming years but they have that as well for baseball

and a 15k seat stadium which most people would agree is the best in college baseball

Both are looking for new coaches we will see what happens

Wicked Good Ag said:

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Is that your reasoning?

Nevermind you wont find many college baseball people thinking that TAMU is better than MIss State

sorry

and sure NIL and transfer portal will be big in the coming years but they have that as well for baseball

and a 15k seat stadium which most people would agree is the best in college baseball

Both are looking for new coaches we will see what happens

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this

Wicked Good Ag said:

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Is that your reasoning?

Nevermind you wont find many college baseball people thinking that TAMU is better than MIss State

sorry

and sure NIL and transfer portal will be big in the coming years but they have that as well for baseball

and a 15k seat stadium which most people would agree is the best in college baseball

Both are looking for new coaches we will see what happens

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Yes, my reasoning is based on the actual things that matter to coaches re: the question at hand. All you've done is cite history that has no logical relevance to the question at hand, and resorted to ad populum for which you provided no evidence at all. I'll shortcut that one for you because I have no doubt you have no idea what that means: it means you're citing an appeal to "popular thinking" but providing no basis for it. This is a logical fallacy because the reasons "popular thinking" is popular is because people like you facially believe things without critically thinking about whether they're actually true or not.

You have yet to say any reason we are better than Miss State

Are we a good job ? For sure

Top 25 for sure Maybe even Top 15 but your reasoning is just an opinion without any metric

We spent $5M according to another thread on NIL and didnt sniff a regional

Miss State fired the coach mid season and made it in

They seat 15000 and have the top attendance annually along with LSU in fact I think the top 7 most attended home games in college baseball

Ask anyone who follows college baseball and they would say Miss State over us probably 90-100 percent of the time

It is a waste of time trying to tell someone with maroon colored glasses we aren't the best at something

Better programs currently quickly?

Vandy
Tennessee
Florida
Miss State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Texas

just in the SEC alone

Does that mean we cant be better than them eventually but I think even with our success these past five years or so they all have better resumes then us likely after this season is done

Jack Boyette said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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Is that your reasoning?

Nevermind you wont find many college baseball people thinking that TAMU is better than MIss State

sorry

and sure NIL and transfer portal will be big in the coming years but they have that as well for baseball

and a 15k seat stadium which most people would agree is the best in college baseball

Both are looking for new coaches we will see what happens

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Yes, my reasoning is based on the actual things that matter to coaches re: the question at hand. All you've done is cite history that has no logical relevance to the question at hand, and resorted to ad populum for which you provided no evidence at all. I'll shortcut that one for you because I have no doubt you have no idea what that means: it means you're citing an appeal to "popular thinking" but providing no basis for it. This is a logical fallacy because the reasons "popular thinking" is popular is because people like you facially believe things without critically thinking about whether they're actually true or not.

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That is exactly what you are doing without facts LOL

Wicked Good Ag said:

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You have yet to say any reason we are better than Miss State

Are we a good job ? For sure

Top 25 for sure Maybe even Top 15 but your reasoning is just an opinion without any metric

We spent $5M according to another thread on NIL and didnt sniff a regional

Miss State fired the coach mid season and made it in

They seat 15000 and have the top attendance annually along with LSU in fact I think the top 7 most attended home games in college baseball

Ask anyone who follows college baseball and they would say Miss State over us probably 90-100 percent of the time

It is a waste of time trying to tell someone with maroon colored glasses we aren't the best at something

Better programs currently quickly?

Vandy
Tennessee
Florida
Miss State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Texas

just in the SEC alone

Does that mean we cant be better than them eventually but I think even with our success these past five years or so they all have better resumes then us likely after this season is done

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First of all, I already cited multiple reasons, you just refuse to listen. Better NIL, better recruiting base. You're all over the place man. You keep mixing and matching concepts. Stadium attendance (this is not a big factor to a coach). Program history (again less relevant than ever now). Program status (this has nothing to do with how good a JOB is; that is not what a coach is evaluating.

"90% of people would say…." Oh really? Show me. You have yet to do so and I already explained the logical fallacy you're resorting to by doing so. I can promise you this: 90% of COACHES sure as **** aren't saying that.


There's a difference between things fans think matter when comparing history (which nobody is arguing about), and what COACHES look at when evaluating a JOB. If it weren't, the programs I've already mentioned would still be good, and several of the ones you mentioned wouldn't be (Tennessee, Vanderbilt, etc).

HISTORY DOES NOT EQUAL JOB.

This is insane

Your opinion is your opinion but to you my opinion is wrong because you KNOW what coaches think

And according to you they dont care at all for 12-15000 fans over our 6k

You must think TAMU is the best job around

Must be why the coach LEFT the program he built over the past three years


Tell me of the SEC schools which are better jobs than TAMU in your opinion because if you say none then no reason to go any futher with this discussion as nothing ANYBODY says will change your mind

Wicked Good Ag said:

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Must be why the coach LEFT the program he built over the past three years

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To be fair, there was likely a lot more to Schloss jumping ship than simply Texas being a better destination. Apparently he is buddies with CDC and didn't get along with Alberts. Leaving a CWS runner-up SEC team with talent returning is not the norm.