If we make the move I'm pretty sure he's on the short list. We definitely reached out last year.
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TAMU1990 said:We're not going to get him on the cheap. I think Vaughn is attainable but we need to go in with $2M to start negotiating. Baseball will always be the #3 sport at Bama. They don't sell out their park and we have better NIL. He's from Texas with an Aggie family. I'd rather do that than get Hallmark. We can not fail in this search.jrodwh00p said:I don't disagree, but Vaughn is unattainable imho. He was very competitive at Maryland, finding a tougher road in the SEC but I think it's a tougher road in Alabama for baseball than it would be at A&M.TAMU1990 said:Not to me. Go in on Vaughn if you can't get a big hire. Vaughn has SEC experience and is younger.jrodwh00p said:
Patt Hallmark is not a bad option
I mention Hallmark b/c I think he would be worlds better than what we currently have. At least he has been a successful head coach.
UTSA is not a name brand DI school and he has fielded very competitive teams in CUSA and AAC as a head coach. Last 5 seasons has finished 3rd or better in conference with > 13 members schools. Spent last 8 years in Texas as a head coach after working his way from Professional baseballs, HS coach, DI assistant and head coach across 3 different conferences. Not much postseason experience is a big knock on his resume.
We're going to have to pay to get out of this. I honestly think we're not going to get the big name and we should have made calls to Vaughn already to know what it's going to take for him to leave. Otherwise, we're looking at bringing Earley back if we're not willing to pay.
He makes 900k today, and our program has a lot to sell whether you want to admit it or not. You think to even start negotiations, we would have to 2x+ his salary, and make him the 3rd highest paid coach in the nation?
Didn't push hard enough, he would have come. Doesn't get crap for NIL at OU
I know our program has a lot to sell. We're going to have to double his salary and expect a match from Bama.
I don't think it was this. I think we went with ME to run it back and keep the roster. I supported it. It failed. Time to move on.
As I (and others) have said before, we're about to find out how important baseball is to Trev and the BMAs.
Put in Hallmark! Finished the regular season with a 42-11 overall record and 23-4 in conference.
Hallmark has never made the NCAA Tournament as a head coach. That will change this year but…
AgFan1974 said:
If we could'nt/would'nt get any of these coaches last year with the projected #1 roster in the country, why the hell would it work now?
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
My exact thinking, too. People want to make this black and white.
When in reality, discussions are already happening through 3rd parties. If not, Trev himself needs to be fired FAR more so than Earley.
If a national name doesn't want to take the bait then we should retain Earley but get him some additional staff support including a new pitching coach, too. And ride it out with him. Not for 1 year or 2 years but the entirety of 3 years. Unless we see this year repeat itself.
Don't expect much. Aggie starting at the top brass don't have a killer instinct………that's why we don't win much or recruit big names. Until we get that attitude, biz as usual
I'm asking on the boards
What does that look like to you? Firing coaches the moment of post season collapse? That gets expensive and unlike real professional sports we don't have billionaire owners. So what does a "killer attitude" look like? Poaching HC's away from rivals? That doesn't happen usually and frankly with one recent exception when we've lost a HC to another program it's bit them in the ass. So I ask again what does a killer instinct look like?
What does that look like to you? Firing coaches the moment of post season collapse? That gets expensive and unlike real professional sports we don't have billionaire owners. So what does a "killer attitude" look like? Poaching HC's away from rivals? That doesn't happen usually and frankly with one recent exception when we've lost a HC to another program it's bit them in the ass. So I ask again what does a killer instinct look like?
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Jimbo wasn't a big name? Schloss when we hired him from TCU wasn't a big name? We also tried to get Tony V from UT after POS left for AustinMagneto said:
Don't expect much. Aggie starting at the top brass don't have a killer instinct………that's why we don't win much or recruit big names. Until we get that attitude, biz as usual
We are not serious about winning. End of story.
The culture in the entire athletic department, BMAs, and TMF has to change. Changing coaches, players, ADs, facilities, etc...won't matter unless we do. All of the stakeholders have to demand excellence instead of the gosh darn, golly gee or he/she need to get their players/system in place attitudes. If something sucks, it needs to be dealt with immediately. It's a cut throat business and if we dont want to be like that, then quit demanding so much money from donors for facilities, NIL, and salaries. We can be mediocre for a lot less money. Basically, its **** or get off the pot time for the decision makers. Folks are getting sick of doing less with more, if they aren't already.
The culture in the entire athletic department, BMAs, and TMF has to change. Changing coaches, players, ADs, facilities, etc...won't matter unless we do. All of the stakeholders have to demand excellence instead of the gosh darn, golly gee or he/she need to get their players/system in place attitudes. If something sucks, it needs to be dealt with immediately. It's a cut throat business and if we dont want to be like that, then quit demanding so much money from donors for facilities, NIL, and salaries. We can be mediocre for a lot less money. Basically, its **** or get off the pot time for the decision makers. Folks are getting sick of doing less with more, if they aren't already.
I know nothing!
The crazy thing is that the hire we made was trying to keep the team together and trying to be somewhat budget friendly. If we fire Earley (and his assistants), this is a $5-6M year. We now either have to give him another year to let the JK contract complete, or spend a ton of money. If the spend a ton of money option was on the table, why didn't we make some coach (Tony V) the highest paid coach in college baseball? Our options at this point are tough, but if we make a change, it better be a huge step up.
All of this is just the result of the Jimbo payout. At this point, we need to stop hiring budget coaches and hire really good coaches because that is the only way to keep TMF donations from going down more. Firing budget coaches is just adding to the problem.
All of this is just the result of the Jimbo payout. At this point, we need to stop hiring budget coaches and hire really good coaches because that is the only way to keep TMF donations from going down more. Firing budget coaches is just adding to the problem.
Be careful throwing around those accusations. A legendary poster on this board took great offense to this very accusation and called me a few choice words in one of his posts. Somehow, the mods allowed his posts to stay up.Sgt. Schultz said:
We are not serious about winning. End of story.
The culture in the entire athletic department, BMAs, and TMF has to change. Changing coaches, players, ADs, facilities, etc...won't matter unless we do. All of the stakeholders have to demand excellence instead of the gosh darn, golly gee or he/she need to get their players/system in place attitudes. If something sucks, it needs to be dealt with immediately. It's a cut throat business and if we dont want to be like that, then quit demanding so much money from donors for facilities, NIL, and salaries. We can be mediocre for a lot less money. Basically, its **** or get off the pot time for the decision makers. Folks are getting sick of doing less with more, if they aren't already.
We tried to make TV the highest paid, Vols matched, he stayed.GrimesCoAg95 said:
The crazy thing is that the hire we made was trying to keep the team together and trying to be somewhat budget friendly. If we fire Earley (and his assistants), this is a $5-6M year. We now either have to give him another year to let the JK contract complete, or spend a ton of money. If the spend a ton of money option was on the table, why didn't we make some coach (Tony V) the highest paid coach in college baseball? Our options at this point are tough, but if we make a change, it better be a huge step up.
All of this is just the result of the Jimbo payout. At this point, we need to stop hiring budget coaches and hire really good coaches because that is the only way to keep TMF donations from going down more. Firing budget coaches is just adding to the problem.
The question is why we panicked after that and settled on Earley.
There were rumors in Omaha well ahead of the finals. Trev was there, could have met with every Omaha coach if he wanted to and found the backup plan.
I think it's obvious that due to timing and the portal closing we didn't have time to pivot to another sitting HC, which may be a failure of the AD to have multiple conversations going.FTAG 2000 said:We tried to make TV the highest paid, Vols matched, he stayed.GrimesCoAg95 said:
The crazy thing is that the hire we made was trying to keep the team together and trying to be somewhat budget friendly. If we fire Earley (and his assistants), this is a $5-6M year. We now either have to give him another year to let the JK contract complete, or spend a ton of money. If the spend a ton of money option was on the table, why didn't we make some coach (Tony V) the highest paid coach in college baseball? Our options at this point are tough, but if we make a change, it better be a huge step up.
All of this is just the result of the Jimbo payout. At this point, we need to stop hiring budget coaches and hire really good coaches because that is the only way to keep TMF donations from going down more. Firing budget coaches is just adding to the problem.
The question is why we panicked after that and settled on Earley.
There were rumors in Omaha well ahead of the finals. Trev was there, could have met with every Omaha coach if he wanted to and found the backup plan.
jkag89 said:Jimbo wasn't a big name? Schloss when we hired him from TCU wasn't a big name? We also tried to get Tony V from UT after POS left for AustinMagneto said:
Don't expect much. Aggie starting at the top brass don't have a killer instinct………that's why we don't win much or recruit big names. Until we get that attitude, biz as usual
Even though he turned out to be a total dud, Fran was a big name. Turgeon and Buzz were big names. So was Kevin Sumlin. Pat Henry and Trisha Ford were (and still are) big names.
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
This is follow on to my previous post.
We have changed coaches.
We have changed conferences.
We have changed players.
We have changed (built new) facilities.
We have changed AD's.
We have changed university presidents.
I have not doubt that all of the stakeholders involved want to win. No doubt at all
That said, we have changed almost everything you can change except for one thing. What is it that we haven't changed? Its the culture associated with A&M and/or its athletic department.
For whatever reason, the Aggie way of doing things does not work and that way has to be related to its culture. Its the only thing remaining that we have not changed when we have changed everything else. When you change everything else but then keep doing what you have been doing, sooner or later you have to think that the definition of insanity might creep in.
We have changed coaches.
We have changed conferences.
We have changed players.
We have changed (built new) facilities.
We have changed AD's.
We have changed university presidents.
I have not doubt that all of the stakeholders involved want to win. No doubt at all
That said, we have changed almost everything you can change except for one thing. What is it that we haven't changed? Its the culture associated with A&M and/or its athletic department.
For whatever reason, the Aggie way of doing things does not work and that way has to be related to its culture. Its the only thing remaining that we have not changed when we have changed everything else. When you change everything else but then keep doing what you have been doing, sooner or later you have to think that the definition of insanity might creep in.
I know nothing!
Exactly what is the Aggie Culture that is the problem??
Exactly how would you change said culture?
I guess take all Aggie graduates, tell them their degree is now null and void, and start over with the class of 26?A. G. Pennypacker said:
Exactly how would you change said culture?
I am not at campus on a day to day basis but there has to be something going on the a walls of the AD and the only thing I can think of is its a culture thing. I think part of it is we are too nice with personnel. Like any relationship, you can usually tell pretty soon when something isn't going to work out. We also tend to make excuses. "We were outscored....We ran out of time.....Coach needs to get his/her players in or their system in place....We were screwed by the officials/umpires, SEC office is against us..... and so on and so on and so on...."
I know nothing!
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That's quite a logical leap.Sgt. Schultz said:
I am not at campus on a day to day basis but there has to be something going on the a walls of the AD and the only thing I can think of is its a culture thing. I think part of it is we are too nice with personnel. Like any relationship, you can usually tell pretty soon when something isn't going to work out. We also tend to make excuses. "We were outscored....We ran out of time.....Coach needs to get his/her players in or their system in place....We were screwed by the officials/umpires, SEC office is against us..... and so on and so on and so on...."
Personally, my diagnosis is that we've really just been serious about doing what it takes to compete for 15 years. It's disappointing, but not shocking, that we haven't yet won much of anything in the sports folks care about the most. I think that POS's tenure shows that we can get it done in baseball, with the right leadership. It's evident now that Earley is not that leader. Hopefully, the next coach gets results more in line with Earley's predecessor (remember, however, that 2023 was a disappointment for POS).
Luke The Drifter said:jkag89 said:Jimbo wasn't a big name? Schloss when we hired him from TCU wasn't a big name? We also tried to get Tony V from UT after POS left for AustinMagneto said:
Don't expect much. Aggie starting at the top brass don't have a killer instinct………that's why we don't win much or recruit big names. Until we get that attitude, biz as usual
Even though he turned out to be a total dud, Fran was a big name. Turgeon and Buzz were big names. So was Kevin Sumlin. Pat Henry and Trisha Ford were (and still are) big names.
We don't have leaders at this school that know how to win and we really don't seem to want to play tough. Anyone can hire a big name but you have to be selective of the big name. We aren't. And we keep them around and promote them.
We are what we are. A really great university with an awesome network to go and get good jobs. We are nice people and we treat others really well. These traits really don't work in athletics in today's day and age. You have to be jerks and that's not our culture. As an Aggie, we tend to be really kind people top to bottom. Horns come into this realm ready to fight and throw money around and carry a chip. We don't. I'm sure other powerhouse schools pride themselves on their aggressive nature in their respective state
Do not buy the "culture" guess work stated above. The excuses are lame and weak and not coming
from the A.D.
The A.D. is about trying to hire the best coaches, giving the coaches what they need to be successful
and managing the budget so no need to borrow money from the University like a few years ago. Some coach
hires work out well and others don't for various reasons.
I do know that the right coach makes a difference in a winning culture. We have that now in softball,
women's tennis and volleyball despite some tough losses in post season play. We have had a number
of individual champs in track and field. In the "Big 3 sports", we have a problem with sustaining winning.
For various reasons, we have had a hard time retaining the right coach for a long time or hiring the right coach.
from the A.D.
The A.D. is about trying to hire the best coaches, giving the coaches what they need to be successful
and managing the budget so no need to borrow money from the University like a few years ago. Some coach
hires work out well and others don't for various reasons.
I do know that the right coach makes a difference in a winning culture. We have that now in softball,
women's tennis and volleyball despite some tough losses in post season play. We have had a number
of individual champs in track and field. In the "Big 3 sports", we have a problem with sustaining winning.
For various reasons, we have had a hard time retaining the right coach for a long time or hiring the right coach.
Girls golf as well. Two final 4s and an individual national championship in just his first 3-4 years here.
Women's tennis losing in the NC is not a tough loss. Kind of expected bc our girls had much harder match ups in the quarters and semis so they had to be tired. Georgia had easy matchups bc UNC lost their number one player. They are elite right now.
Women's tennis losing in the NC is not a tough loss. Kind of expected bc our girls had much harder match ups in the quarters and semis so they had to be tired. Georgia had easy matchups bc UNC lost their number one player. They are elite right now.
I feel like my parents said, we have been spending too much and it's time to go on a budget. No more vacations, no more updates to the house, no more brand name clothes.
We are cool with just saving money right now and maybe one day we will go on vacation again.
We are cool with just saving money right now and maybe one day we will go on vacation again.
Russ06 said:
Didn't push hard enough, he would have come. Doesn't get crap for NIL at OU
Didn't push at all. I think Skip pushed for it more than we pushed for him.
Are we looking at Vaughn? Some on premium have said he would take it. I'm assuming there has to be someone on these boards with a connection to him or his family.
I'm here hoping for this coaching discussion to get very hot come Wednesday or Thursday. I'm also here expecting a complete botching of the situation. It's a tradition.
TAMU1990 said:
Are we looking at Vaughn? Some on premium have said he would take it. I'm assuming there has to be someone on these boards with a connection to him or his family.
I don't have a connection to him or his family but I do believe we are looking at Vaughn and he's one of our top candidates. I think it's O'Connor and Vaughn we're focusing in on at this point, but there could be others. I do think we will be making a change.
Don't say this lightly, but we need a new head coach.
Lots of talent on this team and it has been squandered.
It was was just to much for him as a head coach.
Lots of talent on this team and it has been squandered.
It was was just to much for him as a head coach.
DTP02 said:Russ06 said:
Didn't push hard enough, he would have come. Doesn't get crap for NIL at OU
Didn't push at all. I think Skip pushed for it more than we pushed for him.
We didn't contact him at all. Know one of his former players very well and he kept me up to date in real time. Definitely would have come.
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