Trisha Ford is a tough strict coach, the primadonna's on the baseball team who only care about their paychecks couldn't handle her work ethicS.A. Aggie said:
Trisha Ford Is available. On the payroll now. Can't do any worse.
Ok, not realistic but we gotta do something.
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yes, I heard it…but that guy doesn't know what is going on in our player's heads any more than you or I do.JDay said:
They can't quit more than they did this weekend. Missouri's bench even called them out on it.
I hear my Little League coach is available!
dylan said:stoneca said:???AgDad121619 said:feel like he would be a Jimbo hire - past his prime but certainly better than current coachCrocsAg20 said:
I think Sully is attainable this year
Those are ridiculous comments. Stoneca is correct. He's 56 and makes the finals so many times and is always in contention. He's led them to the World Series like 8 out of the last 12 years or so and the last two years. Sully isn't coming to us but he is in no way past his prime. Ridiculous. He's easily the best coach in college baseball now.It would be like Saban dropping it all to take a flier on us during his prime.
We have a chance at exactly one of these. The other 5…zero chance.Sher Thing said:
Vitello
Jarrett
Bakich
Wes Johnson
Sully
Vaughn
Really hope we don't get Skip Johnson from OU. Would be Rob Childress all over again imo. Meh but not good enough to consistently get us to Omaha and in contention to win a Natty like Schloss did
I always thought Sully was a grump and somewhat of an Ahole but he would be a massive upgrade from Early.
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O'Sullivan won a national title in 2017 playing in a crap facility, but only got a new one because the football coach decided that he need the old baseball venue for a football practice facility. They had been talking about it for a quite a while, but nothing happened until football made it happen.dylan said:CrocsAg20 said:
I think Sully is attainable this year
Why do you say that? He's an institution there and both sides seem very very happy with each other. No way he leaves Florida. Wish we had their basketball coach as well but it ain't going to happen.
The personal angle is what those two drunks in Omaha were ragging about, and which some folks on here apparently share the same view (and they are wrong). Without rehashing the matter, let's just say that one could see where O'Sullivan and his spouse might find a new start and relocation to be welcome. They've ridden it out in Gainesville this long, but I keep thinking that, at some point, he'll make one more move, partly for this reason.
We will have options this year that we didn't last year because of the timing.
What is Sully's buyout?
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AggieBB said:We have a chance at exactly one of these. The other 5…zero chance.Sher Thing said:
Vitello
Jarrett
Bakich
Wes Johnson
Sully
Vaughn
I think Johnson Sully and Vaughn are all movable. Don't know much about Bakich.
Sure thing
HoustonAg2106 said:Goose06 said:
One name is at least look into is Dave Van Horn. He's had his ups and downs at Arkansas but it's mostly been ups other than a lack of post season success. He seems to have figured out you need offense so maybe that's about to change? Again, just a name to consider…
I would be happy to have him but I don't see why he would leave, Arkansas is heavily invested in baseball even more so than we are
He also played at Arkansas and is in the Arkansas sports hall of fame. The only way I could see him leaving instead of retiring is if Arkansas fans get to Kentucky levels with Calipari for lack of tournament success (even though DVH last went to the CWS in 2022 so it's not like it's been ages).
If we could'nt/would'nt get any of these coaches last year with the projected #1 roster in the country, why the hell would it work now?
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.AgFan1974 said:
If we could'nt/would'nt get any of these coaches last year with the projected #1 roster in the country, why the hell would it work now?
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
I think "moveable" does not necessarily mean the Aggies have a chance.Sher Thing said:AggieBB said:We have a chance at exactly one of these. The other 5…zero chance.Sher Thing said:
Vitello
Jarrett
Bakich
Wes Johnson
Sully
Vaughn
I think Johnson Sully and Vaughn are all movable. Don't know much about Bakich.
Just look at our most recent coaching searches. I do not believe either Elko, or the new Basketball coach were the first targets. Yet some of those targets ultimately moved elsewhere.
I would go with this order:
1. Sully - probably a no, but worth inquiring.
2. Skip Johnson
3. Vaughn
4. Hallmark
Heefner not included because apparently he's never leaving DBU.
1. Sully - probably a no, but worth inquiring.
2. Skip Johnson
3. Vaughn
4. Hallmark
Heefner not included because apparently he's never leaving DBU.
The timing was a lot worse last year. The portal had already been open for weeks and freshmen were reporting later that week. Most coaches had already settled into their prep for the following season at that point, as everyone besides the Omaha teams had been done for weeks.
No to Skip Johnson.
Anyone wanting Skip Johnson is asking for someone who will set us back to the SWC days
Anyone wanting Skip Johnson is asking for someone who will set us back to the SWC days
Sully or Vaughn, but both are questionable. I doubt Sully will move and Vaughn is slightly more seasoned but still a younger coach.
Our facilities are an issue in comparison to our competition. People don't want to admit that but it's a problem.
Everyone else on lists being bantered around are not attainable. And I agree on Johnson - it's a no for me.
Our facilities are an issue in comparison to our competition. People don't want to admit that but it's a problem.
Everyone else on lists being bantered around are not attainable. And I agree on Johnson - it's a no for me.
1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.96ags said:1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.AgFan1974 said:
If we could'nt/would'nt get any of these coaches last year with the projected #1 roster in the country, why the hell would it work now?
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
Why? Do you think it would also be easier to replace DeBoer than Saban? I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not understand the logic. We had the #1 roster in the country.
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
I thought we made a run at a few coaches? You are saying we did'nt or you are saying we would'nt pay for one? Heefner could have been had if we made the choice to hire him? Same question for all of the other names floated, I suppose.
I just have a hard time believeing we could have hired whoever we wanted but chose not to (when we had the best roster in the country).
There are limitless ifs and buts but my point was Early may be the best realistic option today. If not, Im good with a better one. I just do not see how we have a better option this year vs last. Happy to be wrong though...
1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.AgFan1974 said:1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.96ags said:1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.AgFan1974 said:
If we could'nt/would'nt get any of these coaches last year with the projected #1 roster in the country, why the hell would it work now?
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
Why? Do you think it would also be easier to replace DeBoer than Saban? I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not understand the logic. We had the #1 roster in the country.
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
I thought we made a run at a few coaches? You are saying we did'nt or you are saying we would'nt pay for one? Heefner could have been had if we made the choice to hire him? Same question for all of the other names floated, I suppose.
I just have a hard time believeing we could have hired whoever we wanted but chose not to (when we had the best roster in the country).
There are limitless ifs and buts but my point was Early may be the best realistic option today. If not, Im good with a better one. I just do not see how we have a better option this year vs last. Happy to be wrong though...
Why? Do you think it would also be easier to replace DeBoer than Saban? I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not understand the logic. We had the #1 roster in the country.
Ever heard the phrase "don't be the guy that replaces a legend, be the one replacing the guy that replaces the legend"? As a coach looking to set a program up your own way, it is a lot easier coming off of a losing season and replacing a losing coach. Fans/admins are more open to change, more patient for results and less likely to compare you to the guy before.
2. A run was made at TV and he eventually said no. There were other coaches that were engaged and prepared to accept the job if it had been offered. Heefner is a different animal all together. But suffice it to say that although the options were limited due to circumstances, there were options other than Earley. (Just to be clear, I supported the Earley hire last summer).
A&M baseball is considered a very lucrative job, but it is also fair to say that last year was a very odd situation that did in fact limit some options. It is different now than it was last year.
Just to be clear- I'm pretty sure about 90% of the current D1 college baseball coaches could coach this roster to where its at today. Really not that hard to replace Earley
Fair enough and I will acknowledge the timing issues. I just think a shot at having the #1 roster in the country at an SEC school (at least for some of the coaches discussed) would have negated that.Fairview20 said:
The timing was a lot worse last year. The portal had already been open for weeks and freshmen were reporting later that week. Most coaches had already settled into their prep for the following season at that point, as everyone besides the Omaha teams had been done for weeks.
So we can get a better coach this year with "potentially" less roster talent because we start the search before Omaha?
My point was that Early may be the best option today. Not that he is the best coach for the team. We can speculate who the best guy is all day. It comes down to what is actually available. My opinion is that assumptions about who is an option may be overly optimistic.
And a coaching search can occur and be completed in secret in the next 2-3 weeks.
I don't think the returning roster talent had much to do with it honestly, because with the portal there were no guarantees anyone was coming back. Using that logic though, we would still have Sorrell and Grahovac next season which were 2/3 of the main pieces everyone was excited about returning this season. Prager obviously became another one, but at that time no one expected him to not sign in the draft.
Most of whom put their names in the portal, and several of whom seemed primed to follow Schloss and Earley to Austin, has we not hired Earley. It's one thing to have your roster gutted; it's another to have your key players leave as a group for your blood rival down the road.Quote:
We had the #1 roster in the country.
Timing also meant there was no opportunity for the new guy to do the same thing Schloss did by recruiting some key guys off his old team, because the portal was days away from closing. I don't know that I would want the new guy to do that, but that's the landscape we live in nowadays. But the same is true with regard to other players who might have decided to enter the portal to look into the A&M situation had there been an opening earlier in the process. If, for example, Gavin Grahovac were to decide to enter the portal as soon as it opens, there would be some 3rd basemen playing for other schools who might decide to enter the portal and check out A&M, particularly depending on who we hire.
Nah…likely hit a parent..,Aggie Dad 26 said:AgDad121619 said:feel like he would be a Jimbo hire - past his prime but certainly better than current coachCrocsAg20 said:
I think Sully is attainable this year
Go to a Little League ballpark. Close your eyes, throw something
You'll hit a better coach
The big ones were not following Schloss. They were going to LSU or the Vols was what i was relayed.
The players made it clear they were not a Schloss fan.
The players made it clear they were not a Schloss fan.
Absolutely I have heard it and understand it. And in most situations it is used when that legend has under-performed (ie. Mack Brown) relative to their legendary run and the program looks to be trending down. That is not the case for Saban and it wasn't the case for Schloss. We had a roster that was projected96ags said:1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.AgFan1974 said:1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.96ags said:1. It is much easier replacing Earley than replacing Schloss.AgFan1974 said:
If we could'nt/would'nt get any of these coaches last year with the projected #1 roster in the country, why the hell would it work now?
I guess you could argue that coaches thought the roster would turn over and you would not be able to keep these guys. However, I seriously doubt any of the top-tier coaches really believed that. Most have enormous egos and I just do not buy that they were scared of portal exits. Also, they would almost certainly be bringing horses with them. And at the end of the day if this is the reason, it is still an issue.
Another possibility is we were unwilling to pay them. Not sure I buy that either. But if it was, this one we can control.
I do not have an issue with replacing Early but I am not going to fly a banner over Olsen demanding he gets run. All this to say, I am not sure we have the options that many are assuming on this thread and others. The best option may be to give Early another year with as much current roster talent as possible. We shall see...
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
Why? Do you think it would also be easier to replace DeBoer than Saban? I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not understand the logic. We had the #1 roster in the country.
2. It wasn't a situation of couldn't hire any coaches; it was a choice not to.
I thought we made a run at a few coaches? You are saying we did'nt or you are saying we would'nt pay for one? Heefner could have been had if we made the choice to hire him? Same question for all of the other names floated, I suppose.
I just have a hard time believeing we could have hired whoever we wanted but chose not to (when we had the best roster in the country).
There are limitless ifs and buts but my point was Early may be the best realistic option today. If not, Im good with a better one. I just do not see how we have a better option this year vs last. Happy to be wrong though...
Why? Do you think it would also be easier to replace DeBoer than Saban? I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not understand the logic. We had the #1 roster in the country.
Ever heard the phrase "don't be the guy that replaces a legend, be the one replacing the guy that replaces the legend"? As a coach looking to set a program up your own way, it is a lot easier coming off of a losing season and replacing a losing coach. Fans/admins are more open to change, more patient for results and less likely to compare you to the guy before.
2. A run was made at TV and he eventually said no. There were other coaches that were engaged and prepared to accept the job if it had been offered. Heefner is a different animal all together. But suffice it to say that although the options were limited due to circumstances, there were options other than Earley. (Just to be clear, I supported the Earley hire last summer).
A&M baseball is considered a very lucrative job, but it is also fair to say that last year was a very odd situation that did in fact limit some options. It is different now than it was last year.
to be the front-runner for the natty even with a first time head coach.
Im just not convinced we are better positioned today to get any of the coaches being floated than we were last year. Time will tell.
I don't think the roster on campus is much of a decision point for coaches either way. They are essentially free agents and most all are going to have choices. Not all choices are better; some would be lessor schools. But the point is there are 15 other SEC schools alone, and 300+ other D1 options. Lots of choices.
If a change is made, assume most of the roster goes. That can't really be much of a decision point for any would be coach in this era of the portal.
Job 1a of any new regime is to get a staff in place.
Job 1b is recruiting the players on campus that you want to return.
Job 1c is said new coach determining which if any of his current players he wants to try to bring along.
All of that happens somewhat in parallel. And soon thereafter he's gotta hit the ground running on recruiting from the portal and the high school ranks. I would assume the first year or two would be a lot heavier in the portal than he'd like to do as it will take some time to backfill the roster.
If a change is made, assume most of the roster goes. That can't really be much of a decision point for any would be coach in this era of the portal.
Job 1a of any new regime is to get a staff in place.
Job 1b is recruiting the players on campus that you want to return.
Job 1c is said new coach determining which if any of his current players he wants to try to bring along.
All of that happens somewhat in parallel. And soon thereafter he's gotta hit the ground running on recruiting from the portal and the high school ranks. I would assume the first year or two would be a lot heavier in the portal than he'd like to do as it will take some time to backfill the roster.
Both Ford and Schloss have shown you can win quickly even in the SEC gauntlet at A&M in baseball and softball.
You just have to make the right hire!
You just have to make the right hire!
Gig ‘Em Baby!
You keep saying this but it is not factually correct. Those players were in the portal when the coaching search was being done.AgFan1974 said:
Absolutely I have heard it and understand it. And in most situations it is used when that legend has under-performed (ie. Mack Brown) relative to their legendary run and the program looks to be trending down. That is not the case for Saban and it wasn't the case for Schloss. We had a roster that was projected
to be the front-runner for the natty even with a first time head coach.
Im just not convinced we are better positioned today to get any of the coaches being floated than we were last year. Time will tell.
We are definitely in a better position today than we were a year ago.
Yes, the timing issue last year was the coaching search being late in the process and butting up to the portal entry deadline. If we make change this year, it'll be a month earlier and those initial discussions with key players can happen much sooner. Some will still go into the portal, and some will still leave, but the timing pressure isn't nearly the same if we do make the move this year.
Well if they can him, I hope you are right. I'm okay with Early at the helm next year if he can keep the roster together . Hard for me to jump on firing a guy after one season. Yes I watched the games and yes it was a gut-punch.twk said:Most of whom put their names in the portal, and several of whom seemed primed to follow Schloss and Earley to Austin, has we not hired Earley. It's one thing to have your roster gutted; it's another to have your key players leave as a group for your blood rival down the road.Quote:
We had the #1 roster in the country.
Timing also meant there was no opportunity for the new guy to do the same thing Schloss did by recruiting some key guys off his old team, because the portal was days away from closing. I don't know that I would want the new guy to do that, but that's the landscape we live in nowadays. But the same is true with regard to other players who might have decided to enter the portal to look into the A&M situation had there been an opening earlier in the process. If, for example, Gavin Grahovac were to decide to enter the portal as soon as it opens, there would be some 3rd basemen playing for other schools who might decide to enter the portal and check out A&M, particularly depending on who we hire.
Im also okay with landing a banger if we can pull it off. I just have a hard time seeing why that is more likely this year than last.
The timing aspect is why it is different.
The new coach can come in with multiple weeks left of the portal, assemble a staff, and hit the ground running. An outside hire had less than a week to do that last year. They most likely would've walked into an empty roster and would've only had the scraps left over in the portal to build the roster from.
That doesn't guarantee we will make some home run hire if the job comes open, but the situation they'd be walking into is a lot more ideal than the end of June last year.
The new coach can come in with multiple weeks left of the portal, assemble a staff, and hit the ground running. An outside hire had less than a week to do that last year. They most likely would've walked into an empty roster and would've only had the scraps left over in the portal to build the roster from.
That doesn't guarantee we will make some home run hire if the job comes open, but the situation they'd be walking into is a lot more ideal than the end of June last year.
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