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In reply to Dekker_Lentz • 11:19a, 7/30/21
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I get that the campiness doesn't work for everyone...but to put it on the level of a Catwoman or a Batman and Robin?

I'm not a Solo fan but if I called that one of the worst movies I've ever seen, TC would equally ridicule me.
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11:21a, 7/30/21
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Speaking of Birds of Prey, the trailers didn't do much for me but I've heard nothing but good things from friends. Gonna check that out this weekend in prep for SS.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:27a, 7/30/21
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
I mean most critics disagree, but sure.

Calling it one of the worst movies you've seen? Like come on. But I'll play along. What's your reasoning?

No exaggeration, it's absolutely, 100% the worst *looking* blockbuster I've ever seen. The entire thing looked like a video game filmed against the worst green screen effects ever. It was so distracting and basically unwatchable, IMO. Not to mention, it was cheesy as hell, the dialogue was terrible, and the action was bad.

Also, it's a 65% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 55% on Metacritic. I guess, yes, technically that means "most" critics disagree with me, but those are both pretty abysmal scores.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:28a, 7/30/21
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I enjoyed it for the most part. Not one of those movies where you can constantly rewatch it. There is one highly uncomfortable scene with Ewan at one point towards the final act. It's just a super low stakes movie where Harley goes all John Wick on a few people. It felt a lot like a Harley Quinn comic book.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:31a, 7/30/21
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I loved Aquaman, but the score and pop music was awful (Ocean to Ocean and It's No Good, I'm looking at you), and teenage Aquaman was the absolute ****ing worst.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:34a, 7/30/21
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There's a vast difference between 65% and say, 9%. (Catwoman)

If you consider 65% abysmal, I wonder what you call truly terrible movies.
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In reply to Dekker_Lentz • 11:34a, 7/30/21
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Dekker_Lentz said:
TCTTS said:
Aquaman is literally one of the worst movies I've ever seen.


While I am not here to say Aquaman was great. It was decidedly average. But Aquaman is not even the worst DC movie.

Wonder Woman 1984 says hello.
So does Batman v Superman.

Edit to add Original Suicide Squad and maybe Birds of Prey. Whedon's Justice League.

I think all of these are worse than Aquaman.


WW84 is definitely worse than Aquaman, I'll give you that.

BvS has gotten better for me on subsequent rewatches, and isn't even remotely in the same tier as Aquaman/WW84.

The first Suicide Squad was indeed crap, but that got mangled due to studio interference, so it's hard to hold the director accountable, and I'm curious to see what could have been.

Birds of Prey is... fine. It's not bad but it's not good either.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:39a, 7/30/21
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
I get that the campiness doesn't work for everyone...but to put it on the level of a Catwoman or a Batman and Robin?

I'm not a Solo fan but if I called that one of the worst movies I've ever seen, TC would equally ridicule me.


Sorry, I was sticking to the new DCEU. But yeah, Aquaman is better than those movies.

I am thinking the order is something like:

1. Wonder Woman
2. Shazam
3. Snyder Justice League
4. Aquaman
5. Birds of Prey
6. Man of Steel
7. Batman v Superman
8. Whedon Justice League
9. Will Smith Suicide Squad
10 WW84

I think 1-3 are interchangeable and 4-6 are interchangeable. Everything after 6 is terrible.

Also this is a depressing list of movies.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:40a, 7/30/21
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And just for s&g's....Solo's score is 69%. That's pretty abysmal too I suppose.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:42a, 7/30/21
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TCTTS said:


Birds of Prey is... fine. It's not bad but it's not good either.


I agree with that. I think that is the same tier as Aquaman. Just okay.
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In reply to Dekker_Lentz • 11:43a, 7/30/21
AG
If you swap Wonder Woman and Man of Steel, that might be pretty close to my ranking.

I'll post mine after BoP and SS.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:43a, 7/30/21
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Aquaman is literally one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
A leaked email from DC reveals the script for Aquaman was written by a 2nd grade class.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:55a, 7/30/21
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
And just for s&g's....Solo's score is 69%. That's pretty abysmal too I suppose.

I could go beat by beat, scene-by-scene through Solo and show exactly what makes it so great, from a screenwriting/structure standpoint, in spite of the naysayers who didn't like it (which, I suppose has more to do with an absence of Harrison Ford than anything, which is understandable). I couldn't come close to doing that with Aquaman.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:58a, 7/30/21
AG
Brian Earl Spilner said:
If you swap Wonder Woman and Man of Steel, that might be pretty close to my ranking.

I'll post mine after BoP and SS.


I can see that. I have the hardest time ranking Man of Steel.

To get back on track, I am extremely excited for James Gunn Suicide Squad to be the clear number 1 DCEU movie.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:02p, 7/30/21
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Forgot about superman showing up at the end of Shazam so I will agree with that. It was a damn good movie and look forward to more in that direction. Could not disagree more about the others.
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12:07p, 7/30/21
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MoS was definitely better than Aquaman though. DC has just failed to get me excited about much over the years. It seems like every time I have tried to get in to it it is just absolutely abysmal, so the excitement has never been there.
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In reply to Dekker_Lentz • 12:17p, 7/30/21
AG
If we are doing this, I'm going with:

1 - ZSJL
2 - Shazam
3 - Wonder Woman
4 - Man of Steel
5 - Aquaman
6 - Birds of Prey
7 - BvS Ultimate Edition
8 - WW84
9 - Suicide Squad

Pretending theatrical version of JL doesn't exist.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:21p, 7/30/21
AG
That won't be necessary. Just pointing out the irony in calling 65% an abysmal score and defending a movie to the death with a 69% score.
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In reply to AgfromHOU • 12:22p, 7/30/21
AG
AgfromHOU said:
If we are doing this, I'm going with:

1 - ZSJL
2 - Shazam
3 - Wonder Woman
4 - Man of Steel
5 - Aquaman
6 - Birds of Prey
7 - BvS Ultimate Edition
8 - WW84
9 - Suicide Squad

Pretending theatrical version of JL doesn't exist.


Seems like we have the same tiers. I think y'all are right that Man of Steel is better than Aquaman and should higher.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 12:28p, 7/30/21
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Sea Speed said:
Forgot about superman showing up at the end of Shazam so I will agree with that. It was a damn good movie and look forward to more in that direction. Could not disagree more about the others.


I think the breezy, comedic tone of Shazam was such a breath of fresh air for DC at the time. Same for Aquaman, although that went for a more epic and fantastical approach. But it knows the tone it's going for and fully leans into it.

But the bottom line for me is that they were both just really fun to watch.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:31p, 7/30/21
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Speaking of Birds of Prey, the trailers didn't do much for me but I've heard nothing but good things from friends. Gonna check that out this weekend in prep for SS.


It's terrible... you'll love it
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12:31p, 7/30/21
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Man of Steel and Wonder Woman are the two best properties made so far and thats really all there is to it.

We can debate the rest of it though.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:49p, 7/30/21
AG
Shazam didn't even feel like a DC movie at all, so much so that I completely forgot that it was in thst universe until your post. Thats a good thing IMO. I'm actually looking forward for my kids to be old enough to enjoy it.
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In reply to AgfromHOU • 6:07p, 7/31/21
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AgfromHOU said:
I enjoyed it for the most part. Not one of those movies where you can constantly rewatch it. There is one highly uncomfortable scene with Ewan at one point towards the final act. It's just a super low stakes movie where Harley goes all John Wick on a few people. It felt a lot like a Harley Quinn comic book.


Pretty much my thoughts on it after watching last night. Btw which Ewan scene did you mean?
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5:15p, 8/1/21
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(David Ayer wrote and directed 2016's Suicide Squad - or, rather, a version of it.)
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:20p, 8/1/21
AG
Read this the other day and it rubs me the wrong way.

He posts a long note and yet says he won't tell "his side" of it. Not really sure what the point of his post is other than wanting to get attention for himself. It reeks of jealousy to me. (Which admittedly sounds warranted.)

I get his frustration but fail to see what he hoped to gain from it.
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5:23p, 8/1/21
AG
Well, I guess he's probably trying to get enough people to make enough noise to get his own cut like Snyder did?

Likely never gonna happen now that this one is so well-received.

Probably needs to just chalk it up as an L and move on.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 5:24p, 8/1/21
AG
Dude had a crazy hard life.

He got completely f*cked over by Warner Bros.

Fans have been clamoring for the "Ayer Cut" in the wake of Snyder getting his chance.

And now some dude on Twitter is telling him to give it up.

Given all that, this seems like a completely appropriate response to me.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:26p, 8/1/21
AG
Telling everyone about how difficult his life was just seems irrelevant to the movie, though.

Kinda reminded me of Disney bringing up covid in their response to Scarjo.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 5:31p, 8/1/21
AG
Months ago, a little after the Snyder Cut was officially announced, some fan asked Ayer on Twitter if there was an "Ayer Cut" of Suicide Squad. He simply answered honestly and essentially said yeah, there is one, and it's completely different from the version WB released. That simple exchange started another fan campaign that Ayer has been mildly fanning the flames of for a while now. Not obnoxiously so, and he's been more than supportive of Gunn's version along the way. The "Ayer Cut" may very well suck, but he seems perfectly genuine, justified, and someone worthy of rooting for.
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5:31p, 8/1/21
AG
Yeah that's interesting. It's like when someone goes "look I don't want to gossip about it, I'm just saying I saw some pretty messed up stuff at that last job. Drugs, hookers - and everyone was involved, even the managers. But I don't want to name names and it's behind me now. But it was pretty messed up." You're talking about it while also saying you don't want to talk about it - it's odd.

Anyway, I tried Birds of Prey on Friday. HBO Max crashed about 20 minutes in and I decided I'd rather watch something else. I just really don't like Harley and the attitudinal tongue-in-cheek narration wasn't doing it for me. "Whoa whoa whoa, hold up a second! Dis don't make any sense! To understand THIS scene we gotta go back a whole week! <movie rewinds to a new scene>". Just not my cup of tea at all.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 5:34p, 8/1/21
AG
That Tim Grierson dude was basically like, "Give up." And in explaining his life story, Ayer was responding with, "Here's why I can't." Seems perfectly relevant. That, and I didn't know any of that stuff prior, which made me, at least, more sympathetic toward him than I've ever been.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:37p, 8/1/21
AG
That makes a bit more sense. As long as (like you said) he's mildly fanning the flames, and not full on campaigning but not wanting to get into it or whatever. That'd be pretty weird.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:40p, 8/1/21
AG
To be fair, any celebrity getting into it on Twitter with random trolls or mean tweets always makes me cringe a bit.

But again, I get his frustration.
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5:47p, 8/1/21
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All I know is that if people had been giving me relentless sh*t for four years - for a movie that was basically taken away from me and didn't at all represent my vision - I'd be pretty pissed about it. Yet Ayer didn't say a word for three years. And then, when finally asked about it a few months ago, answered honestly and succinctly. A campaign began, one that he's been supporting with sentiments that basically amount to, "Look, if Warner Bros wants to let me do it, I'd love to." All that while Gunn's follow up is not only receiving endless praise, but a lot of that praise is being presented in the context of how good it is compared to last movie, which, again, wasn't Ayer's fault at all, essentially. So when some random d*ckhead on Twitter tells Ayer to give it up, essentially, I can see it being like a trigger after four years, and it makes perfect sense to me why Ayer would vent exactly the way he did.
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