If only outie Mark didn't pronounce Helly wrong and just started with reintegration. If he brought up Petey, that would be a commonality between the two.
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I thought about that too, but it would be like, "Oh yeah, you remember your best friend, well he's dead"GigEmJake17 said:
If only outie Mark didn't pronounce Helly wrong and just started with reintegration. If he brought up Petey, that would be a commonality between the two.
This group may already have picked all these out, but I found many of them fascinating:
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Cold Harbor is the brand of the crib Mark Scout broke this season. It reappears as Gemma is asked to disassemble it for the final clue that she has no memories. Sirius being played after Mark finishes Cold Harbor. Same song the Chicago Bulls played before every game Jordan played in. Interesting that Jordan is referred to as the 'goat', we have a goat sacrifice on tap, and Mark S could be the new goat. This is particularly interesting if Cold Harbor was actually a Lumon plot to see if Mark ultimately remembered anything. Did they plan to sacrifice Mark as well (another goat?) Mark didn't know this, but having Drummond killed in the fashion he was, with legs in the doors, was important. If he had killed Drummond before he got on the elevator to go down, he would not have been able to get back up. Also if Drummond doesn't fall there, but rather back into the elevator, he is also trapped. Did you catch that Mark didn't say he loved Gemma or that he was happy when they were in Cold Harbor. He paused and said they created a life together. We know that Mark and Gemma were fighting a lot in the end, that Mark ignored her when she said I love you to her. I'm of the opinion that Mark Scout is a jerk and a bad guy. Mark S was right to not trust him. Even his grief of his wife was odd, IMO. Gretchen is an EMT (or appears to be) and works the night shift. She was also the only spouse/love interest allowed on the severed floor. Was this because she was involved with Gemma's disappearance? Could Burt have been involved as well? Could Burt be a former ambulance driver (with Gretchen)? He said he drove people places but never knew what happened to them. If Lumon was stealing near death people and severing them for testing, Burt's outie might not know what became of those people. Not clear if O&D or the goat herders actually leave the building ever… The painting in the lobby has an amazing amount of characters on it. Two interesting things, though. One, Reghavi is absent. That one might make sense, but Petey and Irv are on there. Second, the woe bride is on there. I thought that was Irv's dream. How would they know to put that on there? [/ol]
On the whole, I am just as intrigued as I was in the first episode. So many loose ends to tie up. I am still of the opinion that Lumon is working on immortality. Jame wants a vessel to place his consciousness into and Gemma was that vessel. They needed to 'prepare' her for that so that no conflicts would jar memories. That said, IF Lumon was doing Cold Harbor for Mark S and knew that he was going to get her out, the test was really his and Jame is headed to Mark S' body. It would make sense then that his daughter Helena would be duping Mark and helping him complete Cold Harbor. Who knows?
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On the whole, I am just as intrigued as I was in the first episode. So many loose ends to tie up. I am still of the opinion that Lumon is working on immortality. Jame wants a vessel to place his consciousness into and Gemma was that vessel. They needed to 'prepare' her for that so that no conflicts would jar memories. That said, IF Lumon was doing Cold Harbor for Mark S and knew that he was going to get her out, the test was really his and Jame is headed to Mark S' body. It would make sense then that his daughter Helena would be duping Mark and helping him complete Cold Harbor. Who knows?
It's the same mistake Helena made with Mark Scout in the Chinese restaurant. I took it as a sign that Helena and Mark are selfish, borish people that don't really care about anyone else. I mean what did Cobel, Devon and Mark talk about all afternoon where he would screw up her name?GigEmJake17 said:
If only outie Mark didn't pronounce Helly wrong and just started with reintegration. If he brought up Petey, that would be a commonality between the two.
I think some people really want to come up with a reason to write off Mark’s decision at the end as something like “he was manipulated by Helena to do something selfish” when like, no, he just doesn’t think his life is less important than outtie Mark’s
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Did anyone notice the male figurine that appeared to be pregnant by the fireplace in the birthing cabin? It made me think of the pouches conversations again.
Good catch. I thought that was Keir and his wife. Didnt know if he was pregnant or fat...The Sun said:
Did anyone notice the male figurine that appeared to be pregnant by the fireplace in the birthing cabin? It made me think of the pouches conversations again.
ScreenCrush explainer and season 3 prediction video is live. The cast member Kier Eagan. Just starting now...
adam scott said they weren’t thinking more than 10 seconds into the future but i think that rebellious spirit of helly is going to inspire all of them to band together and take over the severed floor, refusing to leave because they don’t want to end their lives. #severance
— ana (@markgemmas) March 21, 2025
So now that Gemma has left the building, why would Innie Mark ever leave Lumon again? It would be suicide….at least until he's reintegrated.
I don't get why everyone thinks that was Helena at the end.
Sometimes people think too much. I think it would be untrue to the moment they were trying to create to make it Helena running down the hallway with Mark at the end.
A lot of people are saying Helly would never be that cruel to Gemma in the final scene...
Helly was also the one who ultimately convinced Mark, after all, to finally go through with the plan and take down Lumon once and for all. So there's a world why it might not track that she suddenly goes back on that plan.
There's also this...
“that was cruel. helly was never cruel.” pic.twitter.com/RgDp9LJ1ev
— ellie (@joelmillerrs) March 21, 2025
Helly was also the one who ultimately convinced Mark, after all, to finally go through with the plan and take down Lumon once and for all. So there's a world why it might not track that she suddenly goes back on that plan.
There's also this...
did y’all see the face change?? it’s helena#severence pic.twitter.com/QwdnoD0DwX
— hari (@homiehari) March 21, 2025
Personally, I still think it's Helly, but I'm also leaving the door slightly cracked for it to be Helena.
I took this as her realizing Mark must have been successful because those lights and sirens are definitely "**** is hitting the fan" warnings.
That's what I'm thinking as well.
The brilliance is that we can read so much of it both ways, which is probably by design.
The brilliance is that we can read so much of it both ways, which is probably by design.
I'm sure they don't mind people arguing endlessly over it
chikhai bardo used 16mm photography for the scenes capturing how mark and gemma met and the story of their love
— nuz 🍁 (@punishednuz) March 21, 2025
cold harbor switched to 16mm photography for its last shot, capturing the moment that mark and helly chose their relationship over all else
this is a love story pic.twitter.com/G1V28ycg1m
If that really was Helly R at the end, then her actions don't make sense to me. She had already had her last conversation with him, made a distraction for him, and accepted things as they were.
Her actions make sense as Helena, though.
Saw that tweet. Thought it was cool that Ben Stiller reached out directly to gently correct him about the shot.
She's allowed to change her mind, though. That would be part of the theme/message - that she's human too and has the right to chase love as well in the end.
schmendeler said:
Saw that tweet. Thought it was cool that Ben Stiller reached out directly to gently correct him about the shot.
Yeah that was really cool.
On the same Helly/Helena convo: I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but I'm pretty certain the chime went off in the elevator for Mark, but didn't go off for Helly. Same thing happened several weeks back when she was indeed Helena. It set off the alarm bells for me initially.
Who is sitting around in an IT office while all of this is going on just to activate a Glasgow block on Helena as soon as the **** goes off? They are clearly already operating on a skeleton crew.
Just went and skipped to her getting off the elevator and it definitely pings for her.
Yeah, there's ZERO chance that wasn't Helly for most of those scenes. Again, I'm leaving the door cracked slightly open for her to have switched to Helena when the alarm sounded, but she was 100% Helly before then (and almost assuredly after).
just realized that they foreshadowed mark accidentally killing drummond in the s1 finale when ms cobel asks mark why his grip got tighter after he switched to innie mark while at the dinner party
— Henry Waffle (@mrhenrywaffle) March 21, 2025
I think it is a bit of mystery how Helena feels about the two Marks. The smile she gave Mark at the end could have been Helena feeling loved for the first time in her life.schmendeler said:
Sometimes people think too much. I think it would be untrue to the moment they were trying to create to make it Helena running down the hallway with Mark at the end.
Although, I think it only makes sense if she got swapped at the alarm going off, but how would she know where to find Mark? It wouldn't surprise me if the writer's left it open depending on where they want to take things.
schmendeler said:
Just went and skipped to her getting off the elevator and it definitely pings for her.
Thanks. Guess I wasn't paying close enough attention.
I am going to guess stuff like this trickles out for weeks, maybe more. The details in this show are kinda mind-melting.
Some other things I noticed:
- the little statue of the man in the birthing cabin looked pregnant
- the way the scene colors kept switching between innie mark & outtie mark in the birthing cabin
- the image of Brienne of Tarth holding the baby goat, framed by the door, her hair done in a way that looked like a crown. Evoked a picture of Christ holding a lamb. Not sure what that would mean, but to me it was unmistakable.
- similarly, something about the new painting as you got off the elevator felt "religious" in some way, but couldn't put my finger on it.
- more obvious shifts in scene colors during helly/mark vs. Milchick.
- back when Helly first joined the team and she tried walking out that exit door, I don't recall that it locked behind her once she went in to the stairwell. I thought she could just open it and walk back in, but outtie Gemma couldn't do that. And the handle on the outside of the door in the stairwell didn't seem to match the type on the inside of the door.
- I would've bet money that Milchick was having a change of heart, so I still feel like maybe something will be revealed that he did to help the innies/hurt Lumon in some way.
- Animatronic Kier...just AI programming? Or was there someone watching remotely on a camera and speaking real-time through the robot?
- the little statue of the man in the birthing cabin looked pregnant
- the way the scene colors kept switching between innie mark & outtie mark in the birthing cabin
- the image of Brienne of Tarth holding the baby goat, framed by the door, her hair done in a way that looked like a crown. Evoked a picture of Christ holding a lamb. Not sure what that would mean, but to me it was unmistakable.
- similarly, something about the new painting as you got off the elevator felt "religious" in some way, but couldn't put my finger on it.
- more obvious shifts in scene colors during helly/mark vs. Milchick.
- back when Helly first joined the team and she tried walking out that exit door, I don't recall that it locked behind her once she went in to the stairwell. I thought she could just open it and walk back in, but outtie Gemma couldn't do that. And the handle on the outside of the door in the stairwell didn't seem to match the type on the inside of the door.
- I would've bet money that Milchick was having a change of heart, so I still feel like maybe something will be revealed that he did to help the innies/hurt Lumon in some way.
- Animatronic Kier...just AI programming? Or was there someone watching remotely on a camera and speaking real-time through the robot?
He killed him when he switched to an outie (on the Cold Harbor floor), so why would a looser grip fire the gun? I guess they are saying the gun slipped?
What did Gemma's watcher mean when he said "You'll kill them all!"
I took it to mean if she left the building she'd "kill" the 25 innies of her they'd created.
Quinn said:
He killed him when he switched to an outie (on the Cold Harbor floor), so why would a looser grip fire the gun? I guess they are saying the gun slipped?
What looser grip? I interpret it as grips tightening anytime anyone switches, outtie to innie or innie to outtie, it doesn't matter. If you're holding something when you switch, your grip on that object is going to tighten.
Gotcha, makes sense that way. I was thinking that she meant that his innie specifically had a tighter grip than the outtie, but the grip tightening either way on the switch makes more sense.
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