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JFC, this an ignorant take, even by TexAgs standards.

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If you didn't think so, I'd be disappointed. Thanks for the validation.

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Okay dude... you do you.

I'm gonna keep rolling my eyes at the ridiculousness. Apparently, I have not been able to enjoy ANYTHING for the last 30 years of my life because there just aren't enough characters/actors who have one white parent, one hispanic parent, grew up in Texas, and went to a state university.

How will I ever live in this world. Where is my hero? When will I see him win his award. OH THE HORROR....

EDIT: Hold on, I thought of some other definitions I need in my hero: Christian and libertarian.

I'll let you know when I think of some others, so you can have your buddies in Hollywood make sure I get my hero, next year.

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This is really dumb man.

You don't have a problem relating to people you see on screen and that's great, nor is it surprising as you're half white and most people on tv probably look a lot like you.

But for other people, and especially kids, who don't often see people who look like them on tv or the big screen it is a big deal. There's tons of videos about films like Black Panther, Coco, Encanto, Turning Red, Shang-Chi, and lots of others where seeing someone like them was really meaningful.

You don't care, great, don't care. But just because it doesn't mean anything to you doesn't mean it may not mean a lot to someone else.

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If parents need movies with the actors with the right skin tone to teach kids life lessons, they're crappy parents.

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Not at all what I said.

Kids take inspiration from lots of places including but not limited to tv and film.

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Then I'll rephrase. If kids haven't already learned these lessons from their parents and are therefore moved by seeing people who have the same skin tone or sexuality on a screen, they have crappy parents.

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I mean, they might, right? There's a lot of awful parents out there or simply ones doing everything they can just to keep a roof over their heads.

And even if they've got parents who are really trying, there's some kids and parents that just don't connect or relate in a lot of different ways. I don't really get the point you're trying to make.

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My point is that none of this crap has a darn thing to do with giving kids something to aspire to. It's all, how can I put it lightly, self gratification on Hollywood's part. It's virtue signaling. It's a competition for who is the most inclusive. They don't give a damn about people's kids. If they did, Will Smith would have acted a tad bit differently.

As an Italian-American growing up in Texas, I can't tell you all how liberating and inspiring it was for me to see the way Italian-Americans are represented on screen by Hollywood, and how it influenced my career choice.

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Is anyone else just seeing this as Will Smith being insecure because people are talking about him and JPS and her screwing around on him.

Like he seems SUPER sensitive to it.

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I think this is absolutely a big part of it. That said, they almost assuredly screwed around on *each other* during whatever open relationship they had/have. For instance, there were all kinds of rumors, with some pretty convincing photographic evidence, about Will hooking up with Margot Robbie during the filming of Focus. Yeah, it sounds like Jada probably screwed around more than Will, but they're BOTH crazy and insecure and I think tonight saw the tipping point of all of it.

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JFC, this an ignorant take, even by TexAgs standards.

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Also, as a Christian, I'm insulted by your un-inclusively hateful acronym. See how that works?

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Nope... you just can't be reasoned with. In a single post, you basically claimed I can't understand what it's like to be someone else, while devaluing any particular characteristic, creed, ethnicity, religion, or any other defining quality I may have.

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I've posted once on the topic, you told me thanks for virtue signaling but I'm the one that "can't be reasoned with"?

As someone who grew up conservative in Texas, went to a state school, and has a white and hispanic family I never had a huge issue relating to people on screen so I'd imagine you didn't either. You also quite sarcastically made the point that you didn't care whether people on screen looked like you or not, yet now you're concerned that I don't care enough about your individual differences...but I'm the one with the sliding scale.

But you're right, you apparently can't understand what it's like to be someone else as you don't seem to have any need to see someone like you on screen. For some people that's really meaningful.

And you're welcome to post your opinion and I am welcome to say I think it's dumb, I never told you to shut up or not post your opinon. If you actually want to discuss it then discuss it like an adult instead of immediately going to ad hominem attacks.

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JFC, this an ignorant take, even by TexAgs standards.

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Also, as a Christian, I'm insulted by your un-inclusively hateful acronym. See how that works?

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What does the Q stand for in BQ?

The Academy does not condone violence of any form.

Tonight we are delighted to celebrate our 94th Academy Awards winners, who deserve this moment of recognition from their peers and movie lovers around the world.

— The Academy (@TheAcademy) March 28, 2022

Academy comes out with a strong position agains violence.

Thank god for this.

Just wait 'til he brings religion into it.

I think one thing that is being overlooked her is that at no point in his monologue was Chris Rock mistaken as a good comedian. He jokes were lame and sucked bad.

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but they're BOTH crazy and insecure and I think tonight saw the tipping point of all of it.

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Yeah, I was surprised so many people thought the slap was staged. I thought it was pretty universally acknowledged that the whole Smith family is crazy. Not like "crazy celebrities w/ an ego LOL" crazy, but legitimately unstable in an intermittent relationship with reality.

People keep saying "Rock" and not "Chris Rock" and every time they do I'm thinking how differently this would've played out if it was Dwayne Johnson up there.

Throw in the fact that they also f*cked around with Scientology at one point, and that "crazy" is basically certified.

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Okay dude... you do you.

I'm gonna keep rolling my eyes at the ridiculousness. Apparently, I have not been able to enjoy ANYTHING for the last 30 years of my life because there just aren't enough characters/actors who have one white parent, one hispanic parent, grew up in Texas, and went to a state university.

How will I ever live in this world. Where is my hero? When will I see him win his award. OH THE HORROR....

EDIT: Hold on, I thought of some other definitions I need in my hero: Christian and libertarian.

I'll let you know when I think of some others, so you can have your buddies in Hollywood make sure I get my hero, next year.

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This is really dumb man.

You don't have a problem relating to people you see on screen and that's great, nor is it surprising as you're half white and most people on tv probably look a lot like you.

But for other people, and especially kids, who don't often see people who look like them on tv or the big screen it is a big deal. There's tons of videos about films like Black Panther, Coco, Encanto, Turning Red, Shang-Chi, and lots of others where seeing someone like them was really meaningful.

You don't care, great, don't care. But just because it doesn't mean anything to you doesn't mean it may not mean a lot to someone else.

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If parents need movies with the actors with the right skin tone to teach kids life lessons, they're crappy parents.

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Not at all what I said.

Kids take inspiration from lots of places including but not limited to tv and film.

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Then I'll rephrase. If kids haven't already learned these lessons from their parents and are therefore moved by seeing people who have the same skin tone or sexuality on a screen, they have crappy parents.

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I mean, they might, right? There's a lot of awful parents out there or simply ones doing everything they can just to keep a roof over their heads.

And even if they've got parents who are really trying, there's some kids and parents that just don't connect or relate in a lot of different ways. I don't really get the point you're trying to make.

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My point is that none of this crap has a darn thing to do with giving kids something to aspire to. It's all, how can I put it lightly, self gratification on Hollywood's part. It's virtue signaling. It's a competition for who is the most inclusive. They don't give a damn about people's kids. If they did, Will Smith would have acted a tad bit differently.

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I feel like you're lumping a whole lot of takes about things I'm not really talking about into one point, but sure.

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This whole specific conversation was about how hyper-focused on representation of individual characteristics Hollywood was and how it was pointed out so that kids could see someone like them and feel warm fuzzy feelings. I think that's a load of garbage and that it's Hollywood patting themselves on the back. I also think parents should take an active role in influencing their children and not rely on Hollywood representation or sports stars or even politicians who look like them to give them a feeling of hope or meaning.

Again, I agree here.
Hollywood cares about one thing: box office dollars.

One thing I think also gets confused in this whole discussion is the lack of differentiation between the studios and people actually making the films.

With CODA, for example, did Apple really care that much about representing the deaf community? I mean, there might have some been some exec with a personal connection that was really moved, but they likely saw a really good film with awards potential that would get them good PR and bought it.

But the writer/director, Troy Kotsur that won the best supporting actor Oscar, the rest of the cast and crew, and the deaf community? That film obviously meant the world to them for so many reasons. And there may very well be a little deaf kid out there that never knew he could be an actor or a filmmaker and is now opening up their little brain to a whole new world of possibilities.

So yeah, it does matter, however it might actually get there.

I loved arrested development, but that wasn't mocking an actual woman's looks on live TV, to her face with several hundred million people watching, over something she had no control over. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference.

Be interesting though to see the press releases from both. Have to assume they will both be coming. Both will want to shape the narrative and both will want to milk the attention presumably.

Anyway, time for bed.

Has there been a credit given to the photographer that took the slap photo? Great job capturing the moment

Edit: Brian Snyder with Reuters
https://www.insider.com/will-smith-chris-rock-oscars-slap-photos-what-happened-2022-3

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People keep saying "Rock" and not "Chris Rock" and every time they do I'm thinking how differently this would've played out if it was Dwayne Johnson up there.

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Dwayne is gonna have to host next year for safety reasons.

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I loved arrested development, but that wasn't mocking an actual woman's looks on live TV, to her face with several hundred million people watching, over something she had no control over. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference.

Be interesting though to see the press releases from both. Have to assume they will both be coming. Both will want to shape the narrative and both will want to milk the attention presumably.

Anyway, time for bed.

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Serious question, have you ever been to a live comedy show?

The most egregious thing that happened tonight was Army of the Dead winning the Fan Favorite Movie of 2021 poll.

Like...is that a ****ing joke?

My Lord https://t.co/Tv9bvh6h7c

— kateyrich (@kateyrich) March 28, 2022

As seen on reddit 👀 Will Smith arrives at the Oscars after party: pic.twitter.com/Ig5cOVvxSj

— Markus Karstrand (@karstrandm) March 28, 2022

When you have both the black community AND the white liberal Hollywood OGs against you, you know you f/cked up…

Will Smith owes Chris Rock a huge apology. There is no excuse for what he did. He’s lucky Chris is not filing assault charges. The excuses he made tonight were bullshit.

— Rob Reiner (@robreiner) March 28, 2022