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11:47p, 4/20/22
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That episode was kind of weak and I was gonna come here to post how it felt like the story had grinded to a halt.

Now I'm just lost, confused, and yet... even more intrigued than before.
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11:59p, 4/20/22
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I will say I too am a bit confused on the confusion, pre-mental hospital. Other than the multiple personalities I feel by it's been pretty straightforward with the villain's plot to raise Ammit to judge the world, and Marc/Steven following the map from last episode to reach the tomb.
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12:05a, 4/21/22
the mental hospital is in his/their brain. it's the "fake"
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1:29a, 4/21/22
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The hippo goddess was the one who was helping Marc at the big avatar meeting, right?
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 1:57a, 4/21/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
I will say I too am a bit confused on the confusion, pre-mental hospital. Other than the multiple personalities I feel by it's been pretty straightforward with the villain's plot to raise Ammit to judge the world, and Marc/Steven following the map from last episode to reach the tomb.


I genuinely enjoy the show overall. I love the cast. And I absolutely appreciate how batsh*t weird they're allowing it to be. They're definitely going for it, and that's awesome. But it hasn't been nearly as simple as "the villain's plot to raise Ammit to judge the world." As I mentioned earlier, that's of course been the through line all along, but some of the steps along the way, with amulets and statues and star maps and avatars, IMO, have felt needlessly side-questy, filler-ish, and reverse engineered. I just lose interest fast when any story like this becomes an "and then" plot, where it's just mini MacGuffin after mini MacGuffin. And when I lose interest, I admittedly don't pay attention as much as I should, and thus the confusion. But I'm not confused as to the overall goal, I just get lost as to which of the 95 steps we're on to get there.
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6:04a, 4/21/22
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The most important thing we need clarity on is whether it's McGuffin or MacGuffin.
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In reply to jeffk • 6:12a, 4/21/22
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The former. Like McRib. Just realized I've been spelling it wrong.
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8:10a, 4/21/22
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McGuffin must be the word of the week or something
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8:14a, 4/21/22
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It's actually MacGuffin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
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8:17a, 4/21/22
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I like that this show is so wild that "the egyptian gods are all actually real" isn't even that big of a deal. It's like "yeah, of course they are, moving on..."

I wasn't confused, per se, but I will say I didn't really know what it was they were looking for at that tomb until he pulled it out.

I do get the sense that they had like four hours of story and had to decide to either stretch it or shrink it and they went for stretch it. Like that whole scene with the egyptian gollum or whatever, what was the point of that? What was that? What was it doing? Do we care? Does it matter?
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In reply to bobinator • 8:18a, 4/21/22
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Yeah, this is why I said I wasn't loving the episode up to that point. In fact I stick to that, the first half definitely felt like filler.
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8:20a, 4/21/22
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Also, Marc's "partner" that shot Layla's dad is definitely going to be the third personality right?
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In reply to bobinator • 8:30a, 4/21/22
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bobinator said:
I do get the sense that they had like four hours of story and had to decide to either stretch it or shrink it and they went for stretch it.
I think this is a fair criticism. And I think this is going to continue to be a struggle each time they explore a new minor character with a new show. Sometimes there just isn't enough meat on the bone to justify a 5-6 hour story.
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8:36a, 4/21/22
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I also can't tell if it's because there wasn't enough good story to tell, or if they just felt compelled to shove in some action sequences. Almost all of the "wait, why exactly is this happening?" side arcs have led up to some kind of action sequence.
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10:03a, 4/21/22
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Yeah, Moon Knight is a weird, convoluted, and complex comic character. I was wondering if they would lose some viewers with the backstory and multiple personalities and pantheon of gods and such. It's just a lot to cram into a limited series. He's not Captain America or Iron Man or Spider-Man. Which is fine and I like it, but I can understand why they're having trouble staying on point.
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In reply to jeffk • 10:21a, 4/21/22
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I actually don't think the personalities are what's tripping people up.

I think it's more that the goal of the villain, and even moreso the mechanics of how he's getting there, is somewhat unclear.

Minor example, why hadn't Harrow already found Alexander's tomb? It took Layla and Steven like 20 minutes and they don't even have the magical scarab compass. He had, AT LEAST, a day's head start.
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In reply to bobinator • 10:25a, 4/21/22
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I'll agree on that. In this particular episode, everything in the tomb felt a bit wonky to me.
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10:27a, 4/21/22
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Getting into the comic book origin so I'll spoiler tag it:

In the comics, Raoul Bushman is a mercenary hired with Marc and eventually shoots Marc causing him to become Moon Knight. Bushman later becomes one of Moon Knights biggest enemies when Marc losses the power of Khonshu and becomes a Batman-like superhero.

If there is a second season, that would be a fun route to explore.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:09p, 4/22/22
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TCTTS said:

some of the steps along the way, with amulets and statues and star maps and avatars, IMO, have felt needlessly side-questy, filler-ish, and reverse engineered. I just lose interest fast when any story like this becomes an "and then" plot, where it's just mini MacGuffin after mini MacGuffin. And when I lose interest, I admittedly don't pay attention as much as I should, and thus the confusion. But I'm not confused as to the overall goal, I just get lost as to which of the 95 steps we're on to get there.

Agreed 100%. I think that made the 2nd and 3rd episodes feel a bit lackluster compared to 1 and 4, which were more exciting, unique and mysterious.

That whole arms dealer (or art dealer?) part in 3 was especially generic. References to Layla's connections, "good to see you again Layla," generic rich guy in an open robe, and then Moon Knight does some generic punching. All for what? A map of a thing that points to a thing that points to a tomb, and they only need this because they lost the scarab an episode or so ago? That's cool, but just don't have them lose the scarab and we've cut out an entire episode. I guess that's the definition of filler.

I feel especially bad (in a way) since the actor who passed away in a skiing accident was in that episode. You look at the cast list and try and speculate based on comic book characters, and then... nah he's just a rich guy with a sarco****us on display for some reason.

Maybe I should have paid more attention but that all seemed like **** writing to me.
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In reply to rhutton125 • 2:18p, 4/22/22
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Exactly. Well put.

Something like Indiana Jones just does a much better job of keeping its eye on the ball when it comes to the MacGuffin. Granted, they can skip all the side quests when it's only two hours long, but then maybe this should have been a movie instead? A super-focused, Egypt-set, Tomb Raider/The Mummy-esque MCU movie with Isaac as Moon Knight could have been pretty sweet.

Again, though, I like the show overall. I don't want to sh*t on it too much. It's just that the more I think about it, the more it probably should have been a movie.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:44p, 4/22/22
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I will say, some of the thought process on some of these seemingly pointless side quests was probably to let the audience see more of the Steven/Marc/xxx relationship development.

Like Steven telling Layla the truth that Mark couldn't, how the two personalities bounce off of each other. As dumb as the side quests have been, that aspect of them has been important to the show in setting up Mark and Steven as truly two different characters.
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In reply to bobinator • 4:46p, 4/22/22
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Agreed, and that's a good point.
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5:29p, 4/22/22
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I feel like this could've been a 4-5 episode miniseries total, and I rarely say that. (Come to think of it, same applies for Boba Fett.)

The character development is good, but there's been a good amount of filler and we're only 4 episodes in.
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5:30p, 4/22/22
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Considering that Obi-Wan was originally developed as a movie, I really hope I don't get the same feeling for that show.

That show doesn't even have to develop the lead character very much since we already know him well.
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6:58p, 4/22/22
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They took a page from GoT with that dark opening scene. I couldn't see a damn thing. How are you in the desert, in the middle of the night, and it's pitch black? The stars and the moon would provide more light than that.

I really hope we get out of the psych ward setting. I've never really appreciated movies where I have to spend too long with a heavily medicated character. It gives me anxiety watching it, and I just want it to be over.
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In reply to Lathspell • 7:03p, 4/22/22
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Quote:
How are you in the desert, in the middle of the night, and it's pitch black?


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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 7:15p, 4/22/22
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It's not a dark room. It's in the middle of nowhere, and there are things in the sky that give off light. Have you never been outside at night, in the country without clouds? It's not that pitch black.
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In reply to Lathspell • 8:48p, 4/22/22
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DallasTeleAg said:
It's not a dark room. It's in the middle of nowhere, and there are things in the sky that give off light. Have you never been outside at night, in the country without clouds? It's not that pitch black.
perhaps for that scene it was moonless night
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10:42p, 4/22/22
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So putting some pieces together...

Marc told Layla his partner shot him and he "should've died" that night. I imagine this is when Konshu showed up to take his body, since he said he was little more than a corpse at the time.

So, given that Harrow just shot him and he immediately runs into Taweret, is he about to become the Avatar for Taweret and gain new powers?

I'm guessing he eventually relinquishes the role to Layla and he regains his status as Moon Knight.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 9:42a, 4/23/22
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Or Tawret frees Konshu
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10:53a, 4/23/22
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I think all the Egyptian gods are d**ks.

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10:55a, 4/23/22
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I've been watching this with my wife, and she was completely enthralled with the last episode. It's been a fun show thus far.
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10:38p, 4/23/22
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just watched episode 4...and it was a really good one.

Layla's separate relationships with Marc and Steven are the best part. Loved the reference to Alexander the Great. Had to look up all the Egyptian gods to put together the ending.

wonder who was the mercenary with Mark at the Layla's father's digsite. Was it Harrow. Also wonder if there is/was a connection between Khonshu and Layla's father.

looking forward to episode 5
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:10a, 4/24/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
That episode was kind of weak and I was gonna come here to post how it felt like the story had grinded to a halt.

Now I'm just lost, confused, and yet... even more intrigued than before.


X1000.

The opening scene was beyond stupid. Bad guys shooting from far away but once they get close and the protagonist may be dead or may be faking, they hold their fire. Same with not shooting up the protagonist's vehicle. Then Layla is able to run up to them and cook off rounds with a road flare. Just dumb all around.

The tomb scene was decent. We had some development between Marc and Steven, the crypt creature gave some old horror movie vibes (though we never learned why it was protecting the tomb from intruders and whose side it was on).

Then we go to the asylum. Decent fun and hooked us back in
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10:56a, 4/24/22
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Yeah I haven't really jumped on the hype train with this, has been fairly mediocre for me but the personalities and quirkiness of the show is keeping me intrigued for now.

The core of the story outside of the quirks with gods and personalities has been like watching a worse version of a national treasure movie.
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