redline248 said:

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Couple of points no one cares about:

1. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask why they are staying. Yes, some of them went back toward the orcs, but the rest could just as easily run away from them. Yes, the tower is fortified, but unlike old western forts there is no army there to defend it. Running out of food in a tower while an army approaches isn't necessarily a better option than trying to run away fast enough that the army can't find you.

2. On the other hand, how fast can you run away with kids and elderly, and no good food supply? At some point even a cornered animal is gonna turn and fight for its life. Humans, in almost all stories in history, have a great resolve to defend themselves from death and danger, and a fortified position is a better option than on the road. The episode in which that one d-bag led some of them away, the rest decided to fight.

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DallasTeleAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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Books and TV/films are two completely different mediums that are bound by completely different requirements. Showrunners or directors or whoever don't just f/ck with the material for the hell of it or on a whim or because they don't give a sh*t about the fans. TV/films have to meet way more specific criteria, beats, arcs, and time constraints, and often that means having to compromise or condense the source material in order to translate it. Which, unfortunately, can result in fans feeling shafted, and taking it personal for no real reason.

I was just asking a simple question about why fantasy seems to garner more engagement, and more passionate engagement, than most other show threads. In response, there were some great answers that make a lot of sense.

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Lol... so I answer your question but you have a problem with it and claim i'm being aggressive? You are impossible to have a simple conversation with because you immediately respond with hyperbole.

No, there are many things they change for the sake of changing them. Showrunners, writers, and directors add things that make no sense many times that never needed to be added. Take The Half Blood Prince, as an example. Adding an entire action sequence that made absolutely no sense and removing the main action sequence from the books. The one they added had just as much need for effects and time than the one that was actually in the book. Why change it? Simply to add a "flashy" scene, though it made absolutely no sense, narratively. A HUGE plot hole in that movie.

Your response would make sense when talking about the original LotR trilogy. You had fans of the source material, who understood the source material, adapt it for cinema. What we got was one of the greatest achievements in cinema history. It is beloved by fans of the books and others. Were there differences? Yes. Will we talk about the differences and wish they were handled differently? Sure. But they were not enough for us to trash the movies.

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M.C. Swag said:

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Haha idk anywhere? Like, unless they're completely surrounded by orcs and the land all around is just barren of food and water (which would still pose a problem regardless if they stayed in the tower)), why wouldn't literally anywhere else be better?

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M.C. Swag said:

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Haha idk anywhere? Like, unless they're completely surrounded by orcs and the land all around is just barren of food and water (which would still pose a problem regardless if they stayed in the tower)), why wouldn't literally anywhere else be better?

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canadiaggie said:

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I don't have a great scale image of Middle Earth in my head, but aren't they basically trapped by Mordor's geography?

I guess they could go towards Rhun

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PatAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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I don't have a great scale image of Middle Earth in my head, but aren't they basically trapped by Mordor's geography?

I guess they could go towards Rhun

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They showed a map of it at that time, and I remember their being a range of mountains to the west? Maybe the Weast

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PatAg said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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OnlyForNow said:

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This isn't spoilers, but you realize they're in Mordor right?

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powerbelly said:

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His reaction reflects Hollywood's opinion of fans. They don't give a **** as long as it makes money. They have zero interest in being faithful to source material.

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canadiaggie said:

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PatAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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I don't have a great scale image of Middle Earth in my head, but aren't they basically trapped by Mordor's geography?

I guess they could go towards Rhun

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They showed a map of it at that time, and I remember their being a range of mountains to the west? Maybe the Weast

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The presence of a river in the shot where Arondir is on the watchtower indicates they're somewhere along one of the rivers that feeds into the Sea of Nurnen. There were mountains as well. My money is on the center river, the one that cuts through the first R in Mordor.

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powerbelly said:

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I am not going to address all the straw men in your rant, but it is clear you don't understand our point of view and never will.

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DallasTeleAg said:

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I'm still holding onto the theory that the "key" unleashes Orodruin, which will cover the lands in ash. I'm thinking that's part of a last episode of the season montage as things are spiraling. Unless, they decide to drag that on for 4 more seasons. Granted, I wouldn't put it past them.

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PatAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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PatAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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I don't have a great scale image of Middle Earth in my head, but aren't they basically trapped by Mordor's geography?

I guess they could go towards Rhun

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They showed a map of it at that time, and I remember their being a range of mountains to the west? Maybe the Weast

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The presence of a river in the shot where Arondir is on the watchtower indicates they're somewhere along one of the rivers that feeds into the Sea of Nurnen. There were mountains as well. My money is on the center river, the one that cuts through the first R in Mordor.

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I can't take a screenshot because of how Prime streaming works, but in Episode 1 they show the southlands being to the right of the letter R in Mordor, but more even with the bend in that right.
So essentially in that empty space East/Northeast of the river

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powerbelly said:

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TCTTS said:

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powerbelly said:

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His reaction reflects Hollywood's opinion of fans. They don't give a **** as long as it makes money. They have zero interest in being faithful to source material.

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My reaction, in which I've literally made the argument that the majority of these guys care deeply about the fans/source material? That reaction? Where I'm defending attempts to make the very best shows that can be made? Once again, the people who see Hollywood as the boogieman will never be able to be convinced of anything else. You need your villain, and I guess get that. No matter how much logic says otherwise, and the fact that changes to the source material are far more often than not a result of the demands of the medium, as opposed to all these nefarious assh*les who for some reason take jobs working on properties they apparently hate, in attempt to displease the very fans who would otherwise make their shows popular. You guys cracked it! It's a strategy that makes total sense!

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They clearly don't. They change things that are not a factor of the medium. You can claim they do care, but it doesn't show up in their work at all.

I am not going to address all the straw men in your rant, but it is clear you don't understand our point of view and never will.

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PatAg said:

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DallasTeleAg said:

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I'm still holding onto the theory that the "key" unleashes Orodruin, which will cover the lands in ash. I'm thinking that's part of a last episode of the season montage as things are spiraling. Unless, they decide to drag that on for 4 more seasons. Granted, I wouldn't put it past them.

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Possibly, but based off where they showed the Southlands being, they arent very close to that location at all.
Unless they just cover way more ground walking than they made it appear, which is always possible in fantasy shows

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OnlyForNow said:

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I don't think the southlands are in "mordor".

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DallasTeleAg said:

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PatAg said:

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DallasTeleAg said:

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I'm still holding onto the theory that the "key" unleashes Orodruin, which will cover the lands in ash. I'm thinking that's part of a last episode of the season montage as things are spiraling. Unless, they decide to drag that on for 4 more seasons. Granted, I wouldn't put it past them.

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Possibly, but based off where they showed the Southlands being, they arent very close to that location at all.
Unless they just cover way more ground walking than they made it appear, which is always possible in fantasy shows

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It could have been brought that far away as Sauron's army retreated. I just thought that based on them mentioning it is a key in the same episode where Arda is basically saying goodbye to the sun. Just made sense to me.

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