Jack Thauer said:
Yes, everyone that disagrees with you about the movie is a dumb sexiest. Thank you for further proving my point. Well done.
Definitely Not A Cop said:
I'm saying anchorman is the exact same satirizarion as Barbie.
Haven't seen it yet, so who knows if that one wins.Cliff.Booth said:
Not clicking on the spoiler bar. I know it says Sound of Freedom.
Brittmoore Car Club said:We get it, you're liberal, and in Hollywood, so you're naturally going to believe there is a patriarchy "bogeyman" out there, but it's a laughably ridiculous premise to most normal people who are not in coastal bubbles.TCTTS said:
That thread uses the word "patriarchy," so I'm afraid I'm going to have to unread what I just read, and discount the entire thing because of some ridiculously stupid/arbitrary rule I just created in my head.
(Seriously, thanks for posting. It's pretty incredible how deep and insightful the movie is at times, considering it's a comedy based on a toy.)
Anyone who mentions "the patriarchy" it in a non satirical or mocking tone gets an immediate eye roll from most normal people. And the "smash the patriarchy" feminists are the absolute craziest of crazies.
Cliff.Booth said:
Takes like this help confirm that the movie pushes a divisive, harmful message just like its detractors have claimed. The people who have claimed that this is a movie about self-empowerment and being comfortable in your own skin are being disingenuous, or the movie went over their head.
You didn't specifically say "don't go see it" but you have no problem stating "it stinks to high heaven" and questioning the filmmaker's intent as going beyond sex trafficking awareness.TCTTS said:
I never once ranted about the movie itself. I never once feigned outrage over the movie's contents. I never once told people not to go see it.
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I seriously doubt I'll be watching the movie myself, but I'll of course wait and reserve judgment to see if this thing really does delve into or hint at a CIA conspiracy component, touches on adrenochroming and the like, or lays the blame on liberals or immigrants or whoever. This Tim Ballard dude is dubious enough, and the loudest voices shilling for this thing are suspect as hell (Mel Gibson, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, etc), but still.
Either way, the overall concern people have with crap like this is that the filmmakers shouldn't have to rile people up with psyops to get them to care about human trafficking. Because anyone with a heart *already cares* about human trafficking. So then you start wonder if the filmmakers are using a subject like this for nefarious/political purposes, in order to cast one side as evil or "the other" or whatever, because that has certainly been the result so far.
I don't know, the whole thing just stinks to high heaven, and it sounds like people were right to be questioning it from the jump.
Anchorman is satirizing an era from like 50 years ago bruh. Not at all apples to apples.Definitely Not A Cop said:Jack Thauer said:
Yes, everyone that disagrees with you about the movie is a dumb sexiest. Thank you for further proving my point. Well done.
That's not what I was saying at all. I'm saying anchorman is the exact same satirizarion as Barbie. And anchorman is hilarious even if it shows how women can be treated terribly in the office.
Brittmoore Car Club said:Anchorman is satirizing an era from like 50 years ago bruh. Not at all apples to apples.Definitely Not A Cop said:Jack Thauer said:
Yes, everyone that disagrees with you about the movie is a dumb sexiest. Thank you for further proving my point. Well done.
That's not what I was saying at all. I'm saying anchorman is the exact same satirizarion as Barbie. And anchorman is hilarious even if it shows how women can be treated terribly in the office.
Women have completely made up "struggles" now. The only real struggle women face is ever-increasing rates of depression, medication, and suicide. Largely due to overwhelmingly liberal big tech who doesn't give a sh** about women or the well being of little girls. But also probably due to so many women breaking from certain roles that have been biologically and evolutionarily sculpted over thousands of years.
Not at all saying they belong in the kitchen, or should only be homemakers...my wife balances being a realtor and a mom. But it seems that so many women have sought happiness and fulfillment in their careers, rather than from building a family etc., that they are learning the hard way as they age that careers SUCK for the vast majority of people. And certainly don't bring happiness or fulfillment. For most, it's just a means to provide for your families or afford a certain lifestyle. There are obviously exceptions.
jeffk said:
What, you missed where we destroyed all social ills?
Easy there, someone might sick their gun toting, purple belt ninja wife on ya.TCTTS said:
What's telling/hilarious about this whole ordeal is that the movie isn't even saying that men are keeping women down, or that women are oppressed or whatever. It's not at all that kind of movie. As evident of and outlined in America Ferrera's big speech, the whole argument is that, as a woman, it's simply a challenge at times to live up to society's many contradictory and conflicting expectations of who and what a woman should be.
That's it. That's the gist.
And so the theme of the movie is that in light of all those unattainable expectations, the best thing any of us can do is concentrate only on our own expectations of ourselves, and tune out all the other noise.
Basically, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
Yet all these knuckleheads who still haven't seen the movie for themselves keep insisting that it's something it's not, and then they get angry about it based on their own, false/uninformed conclusions.
It's TexAgs Outrage 101. No matter what the truth is, create an outcome first - i.e. the thing you want to be outraged about - and then reverse engineer your argument to fit that outrage, facts and actually seeing the movie for yourself be damned.
TCTTS said:
What's telling/hilarious about this whole ordeal is that the movie isn't even saying that men are keeping women down, or that women are oppressed or whatever. It's not at all that kind of movie. As evident of and outlined in America Ferrera's big speech, the whole argument is that, as a woman, it's simply a challenge at times to live up to society's many contradictory and conflicting expectations of who and what a woman should be.
That's it. That's the gist.
And so the theme of the movie is that in light of all those unattainable expectations, the best thing any of us can do is concentrate only on our own expectations of ourselves, and tune out all the other noise.
Basically, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
Yet all these knuckleheads who still haven't seen the movie for themselves keep insisting that it's something it's not, and then they get angry about it based on their own, false/uninformed conclusions.
It's TexAgs Outrage 101. No matter what the truth is, create an outcome first - i.e. the thing you want to be outraged about - and then reverse engineer your argument to fit that outrage, facts and actually seeing the movie for yourself be damned.
Cliff.Booth said:TCTTS said:
What's telling/hilarious about this whole ordeal is that the movie isn't even saying that men are keeping women down, or that women are oppressed or whatever. It's not at all that kind of movie. As evident of and outlined in America Ferrera's big speech, the whole argument is that, as a woman, it's simply a challenge at times to live up to society's many contradictory and conflicting expectations of who and what a woman should be.
That's it. That's the gist.
And so the theme of the movie is that in light of all those unattainable expectations, the best thing any of us can do is concentrate only on our own expectations of ourselves, and tune out all the other noise.
Basically, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
Yet all these knuckleheads who still haven't seen the movie for themselves keep insisting that it's something it's not, and then they get angry about it based on their own, false/uninformed conclusions.
It's TexAgs Outrage 101. No matter what the truth is, create an outcome first - i.e. the thing you want to be outraged about - and then reverse engineer your argument to fit that outrage, facts and actually seeing the movie for yourself be damned.
So, going back to the tweet made by some feminist and then shared by some feminist group about how delightful it is that this movie degrades men in a way they've felt degraded traditionally...these people didn't see the same Barbie you saw, or what? Because what you described wouldn't give feminists such glee about seeing men degraded. Help that make sense.
Cliff.Booth said:
Fair enough, they must have made it a bit unclear because reviews and reactions from a lot of people I know pick up on something that isn't merely attacking some radically toxic dudes. I've read reactions from a lot of women who thought they took it too far. But, I guess all of that is easily dismissed by you, as usual.
TCTTS said:
The movie isn't infallible, and I've said as much numerous times. Also, it's a broad, goofy comedy, so it's admittedly hard to achieve the necessary nuance at times. But if you actually watch it, and by the third act can't understand how it's mocking a very specific type of bro assh*le, I don't know what to tell you. I honestly don't know how they could have made it any more apparent, what with all the highly specific/targeted jokes. And that's the thing - that whole aspect of the movie is basically one big joke, and almost a sideshow of sorts, to the real theme I outlined above.
TajMaballer said:Cliff.Booth said:
Fair enough, they must have made it a bit unclear because reviews and reactions from a lot of people I know pick up on something that isn't merely attacking some radically toxic dudes. I've read reactions from a lot of women who thought they took it too far. But, I guess all of that is easily dismissed by you, as usual.
I'm sorry, it's very funny how you keep clinging onto reviews and reactions of other people and trying to dismiss other people's first hand reviews. It's unhinged and funny.
TCTTS said:
The only men getting mad at this movie are the ones who either haven't seen it yet, or the ones who think it's okay to be the kind of man this movie is mocking.
TCTTS said:
The only men getting mad at this movie are the ones who either haven't seen it yet, or the ones who think it's okay to be the kind of man this movie is mocking.
He obsessed over this Barbie movie for weeks (months?) before it came out. He was never going to not like this movie.Jack Thauer said:TCTTS said:
The only men getting mad at this movie are the ones who either haven't seen it yet, or the ones who think it's okay to be the kind of man this movie is mocking.
Those are the only two options, huh?
If that was their argument (only certain men are like that not all) then why wasn't there a single man in the film that wasn't an ignorant pig? There was clearly no distinction made.
Why didn't ANY of the marketing of this movie reflect the true plot? Felt like a bait and switch to a lot of people - including my wife. Which in turn makes the negative response more visceral. My wife and 13 yo daughter both rolled their eyes the entire time and thought it was preachy drivel. And clearly lots of people on this thread that have seen it feel the same way.
We can agree to disagree about the true message being pushed throughout the film but to act like my stance shoehorns me into being a misogynist is disingenuous.
