Here's the shooter. He was just behind the door to the left.
https://i.imgur.com/rIht9xr.mp4
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https://i.imgur.com/rIht9xr.mp4
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Ashli Babbitt died today because she was at a protest, for something she believed...
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Tone2002 said:
I we her rambling on Twitter on a video she posted. She was clearly unhinged. Who knows what really went on.
Sad that being brainwashed by Q and Lin Wood types ultimately led to her death.
Ervin Burrell said:Tone2002 said:
I we her rambling on Twitter on a video she posted. She was clearly unhinged. Who knows what really went on.
Sad that being brainwashed by Q and Lin Wood types ultimately led to her death.
You don't know ***** Troll.
RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
Do you think they walked through metal detectors on their way in? Impossible to know who had what (if any) weapons on them. Christ, there was a dude with a spear in there and you think it's out of the question someone might have a gun while attempting to break through a door to get congressmen?
So the police should now assume that everyone is armed in any riot or violent confrontation? I'm just trying to understand the rules.Ervin Burrell said:RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
Do you think they walked through metal detectors on their way in? Impossible to know who had what (if any) weapons on them. Christ, there was a dude with a spear in there and you think it's out of the question someone might have a gun while attempting to break through a door to get congressmen?
Schu in Mizzou said:Ervin Burrell said:Tone2002 said:
I we her rambling on Twitter on a video she posted. She was clearly unhinged. Who knows what really went on.
Sad that being brainwashed by Q and Lin Wood types ultimately led to her death.
You don't know ***** Troll.
You're right, it was someone else posting QAnon stuff on her Twitter. My bad.
Can't be overstated.Ervin Burrell said:Sad that being brainwashed by Q and Lin Wood types ultimately led to her death.Tone2002 said:
I we her rambling on Twitter on a video she posted. She was clearly unhinged. Who knows what really went on.
The bile and bull**** needs to end.
The people providing security had to draw a final line somewhere, and unfortunately that woman crossed it. I would expect the Secret Service would do the same if they were protecting the president from an unpredictable, unruly mob. If anything, the relative permissiveness of security letting protesters to get that far probably played a role. It's like when you threaten your kid to straighten up 10 times, then suddenly decide that's enough and you punish them. The threat diminishes over time, and the kid is surprised when you actually take action.
RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
When security processes are bypassed, you don't have a choice but to assume an intruder is armed. When the building is secure, and all inside have been screened for weapons that's one thing.
When there are large numbers of unscreened protesters breaking into the Capitol building, police have no idea who is there, whether they're armed or whether they have a bomb. Whether they want to protest and take pictures, or blow up our elected representatives with a suicide bomb.
If you're a Capitol Police officer, or Secret Service Agent, or other LEO charged with defending the final barricade between the uncontrolled, potentially armed mob, and a large number of elected officials under lockdown as the targets of the angry mob. There is just no more room for kid gloves at that point.
Who in their right mind expects to be able to break into the US Capitol with the Legislature in session, bypassing all security measures, and forcibly enter the area where our elected officials are being held under poloce protection through a shattered window without being shot? That's utter insanity.
Ervin Burrell said:Tone2002 said:
I we her rambling on Twitter on a video she posted. She was clearly unhinged. Who knows what really went on.
Sad that being brainwashed by Q and Lin Wood types ultimately led to her death.
Being brainwashed, and believing she had legitimacy and was doing the right thing, by Trumps unceasing conspiracy theories.
fooz said:
Here's the shooter. He was just behind the door to the left.
https://i.imgur.com/rIht9xr.mp4
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I could've sworn it sounded like an AR. I was mistaken. I'll flog myself accordingly later.
Anyhow, he could've give warnings from his location. Seems a little overzealous.
RAB91 said:So the police should now assume that everyone is armed in any riot or violent confrontation? I'm just trying to understand the rules.Ervin Burrell said:RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
Do you think they walked through metal detectors on their way in? Impossible to know who had what (if any) weapons on them. Christ, there was a dude with a spear in there and you think it's out of the question someone might have a gun while attempting to break through a door to get congressmen?
LOL at equating this to "any" riot. This isn't some dipsh/t abortion rights activist standing on a street with a pink p*ssy hat. Is your solution that the cops on the other side of the door should have done nothing and let the mob swarm down that hallway to where Congress was being held? A line had to be drawn somewhere, the LEO's were more than accommodating up to that point.
It's unfortunate she died over a lie but she did trespass and participate in an insurrection.
How do you know he didn't?
There is definitely some officer with a long gun glimpsed of some kind right after the shooting, but seems to be on the protestor side of the clash unless has run through an open door.Love Gun said:fooz said:
Here's the shooter. He was just behind the door to the left.
https://i.imgur.com/rIht9xr.mp4
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I could've sworn it sounded like an AR. I was mistaken. I'll flog myself accordingly later.
Anyhow, he could've give warnings from his location. Seems a little overzealous.
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
BBRex said:
How do you know he didn't?
Maybe, but also seems to be adequate distance to tase her or hose her with OC spray.
Thats a great question. It's really similar to the questions many people, including blacks, ask when their loved ones are killed.Love Gun said:30wedge said:did she break in?Head Ninja In Charge said:
Broke into a federal building and gets killed. She's a ****ing idiot, not a patriot. RIP or whatever, I guess.
That's her on the right. She popped up over those broken windows and a cop put one in her neck.
Trespassing? Yes.
Armed? No.
Does the Capitol have shoot to kill orders like the Secret Service does at the White House?
fooz said:ApachePilot said:
It's my understanding that deadly force to protect public property is against the law. Was it necessary to shot her? Was she armed?
No. They could have used less than lethal first.
Sounds like what a lot of people who get killed by some police officers say. Of course, the vast majority of police are outstanding.
Looks like he's wearing a suit. That would be secret service. Don't forget, Pence was in one of those rooms. Shoot to kill.
Love Gun said:fooz said:
Here's the shooter. He was just behind the door to the left.
https://i.imgur.com/rIht9xr.mp4
eta: giphy link
I could've sworn it sounded like an AR. I was mistaken. I'll flog myself accordingly later.
Anyhow, he could've give warnings from his location. Seems a little overzealous.
How many warnings do you give?
"Hey! Don't break into the US Capitol building! I'm warning you!"
"Hey! Don't go past the security checkpoint without being screened by security! I'm warning you!"
"Hey! Stop ignoring orders from police and capitol security! I'm warning you!"
"Hey! Don't shatter windows and destroy property in the US Capitol where you aren't supposed to be anyway! I'm warning you!"
"Hey! Don't break through the barricade we erected to keep the angry mob of unscreened, potentially armed protesters in the building from getting to the most powerful elected body on the planet! I'm warning you!"
If it was you, at what point do you stop and think that maybe things are going to end badly for you if you keep ignoring the warnings? Serious question. I'd like to know how many warnings you think people should get to ignore while forcibly overrunning the US Capitol with the Legislature and VP in lockdown inside, before it's ok to assume they mean to harm to our representatives and take action?
Have to agree with the appearances. It probably looked like the storming of the Tuileries in the first phase of the French Revolution. Even reminded of those engravings. It was far more peaceful in manner, but to security that can change in a flash. The very action of the intrusion during a session is so off scale they can probably only assume the worst. But I didn't know that deadly force was illegal used in defense of public buildings for their own sake ---I had assumed the opposite-- that it was suicidal to storm them and only restraint keeps them from resorting to gunfire. This has been revealing in that way.John Francis Donaghy said:RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
When security processes are bypassed, you don't have a choice but to assume an intruder is armed. When the building is secure, and all inside have been screened for weapons that's one thing.
When there are large numbers of unscreened protesters breaking into the Capitol building, police have no idea who is there, whether they're armed or whether they have a bomb. Whether they want to protest and take pictures, or blow up our elected representatives with a suicide bomb.
If you're a Capitol Police officer, or Secret Service Agent, or other LEO charged with defending the final barricade between the uncontrolled, potentially armed mob, and a large number of elected officials under lockdown as the targets of the angry mob. There is just no more room for kid gloves at that point.
Who in their right mind expects to be able to break into the US Capitol with the Legislature in session, bypassing all security measures, and forcibly enter the area where our elected officials are being held under poloce protection through a shattered window without being shot? That's utter insanity.
By that standard, the shooting looks a bit hasty and unwarranted. But by the above conditions its easy enough to see how it occured.
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
This is maybe the best explanation of what happened today I have read. Basically every single elected official at a federal level, except for the President, was in the building when this started. This is unlike any other event from the past year. The ability of the country to govern at a federal level was at risk. Whataboutism be damned, this was playing a stupid game. This is sad beyond belief on so many fronts. It's sad that a veteran was shot and killed. It's sad that populism, not communism or socialism or racism, has resulted in this crap.John Francis Donaghy said:
The window she crawled through was the last line barricade between the protesters and the legislators that were locked down and under protection of law enforcement. The protesters had entered the building without clearing security. I have no doubt the police were under strict shoot on site orders for anyone coming through that barricade.
It is an unfortunate circumstance, but the police today were as lenient as they possibly could have been under the circumstances. They let the protesters roam the halls so long as they did not try to enter the barricaded area where our elected officials were locked down, even knowing that the protesters might be armed since they had largely bypassed any sort of security screening.
Only one person tried to enter the barricaded area where the human targets were under police protection, and they paid for that mistake with their life. Had protesters not overwhelmed the security protocols at the Capitol, police probably would have had the luxury of arresting her instead of shooting her. But that's not what happened. Police has no choice but to assume the unauthorized intruders were armed. Police showed as much restraint today as they possibly could under the circumstances. This woman just went one step too far.
This isn't Republicans vs. Democrats, this is sanity vs. insanity. That's not me saying one side is sane and one side is insane, this is about individuals. Individuals decided to brake into the Capitol, individuals decided to break into the chambers of both the House and Senate, individuals decided to attempt to break through the baracade where those who have been elected to represent the people by the people were being protected. If you think the solution to this is more violence or succession, then you are part of the insane. It's not happening, because nobody wins if that occurs. Nobody has jobs, money, homes, families, or any of the things anyone thinks the other side is going to take from them when violence begins to rule the day.
There are merits to both conservative and liberal tenants, that's why there are so effing many of each side. But this is crazy. The most amazing thing about this country is that we have had a peaceful transfer of power for over 200 years every 2 years in some manner. This is an attack on that and it's the saddest thing of all.
I'm not saying it was an unjustified shooting. I'm just saying it may not be completely open and shut...especially since there were police right around her who obviously weren't worried about her before she made her dumb move.John Francis Donaghy said:RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
When security processes are bypassed, you don't have a choice but to assume an intruder is armed. When the building is secure, and all inside have been screened for weapons that's one thing.
When there are large numbers of unscreened protesters breaking into the Capitol building, police have no idea who is there, whether they're armed or whether they have a bomb. Whether they want to protest and take pictures, or blow up our elected representatives with a suicide bomb.
If you're a Capitol Police officer, or Secret Service Agent, or other LEO charged with defending the final barricade between the uncontrolled, potentially armed mob, and a large number of elected officials under lockdown as the targets of the angry mob. There is just no more room for kid gloves at that point.
Who in their right mind expects to be able to break into the US Capitol with the Legislature in session, bypassing all security measures, and forcibly enter the area where our elected officials are being held under poloce protection through a shattered window without being shot? That's utter insanity.
Also, I don't know the capital layout, but are we sure that was the last line of defense. Above the door it said 'Speakers Lobby'. Isn't that a long hallway that leads to the chamber?
I don't know, but I'll go with zero? One less than was killed today. I don't understand what your point is. The protest today was mostly peaceful and only one racist cracker was killed. All is good. Right?
Jackpardeeschinstrap said:
Looks like he's wearing a suit. That would be secret service. Don't forget, Pence was in one of those rooms. Shoot to kill.
The form of the shooter looks odd to me. The shooter lunges to take the shot then pulls back pretty quick. Someone with the training of SS or even Capital Police wouldn't lunge out while pulling the trigger. It seems like someone less experienced to me.
The video is small and blurry on my phone, so I may be wrong.
What I see is is firing from the side from almost a position of concealment, and what looks like a "lunge out" is actually advancing as fires more than once. But that may be wrong too. But definitely on the opposite side, near the left wall offices. What is odd is its from the side, where should be even more obvious she is not armed or anything, but events move fast.PhatMack19 said:Jackpardeeschinstrap said:
Looks like he's wearing a suit. That would be secret service. Don't forget, Pence was in one of those rooms. Shoot to kill.
The form of the shooter looks odd to me. The shooter lunges to take the shot then pulls back pretty quick. Someone with the training of SS or even Capital Police wouldn't lunge out while pulling the trigger. It seems like someone less experienced to me.
The video is small and blurry on my phone, so I may be wrong.
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Despite the fact that you're assuming he didn't give warning, you can also clearly hear a male protestor yell out "he's got a gun" several seconds before she attempts to breach the barricade. Whenever any LEO is pointing a gun at you, it's probably good practice not to continue advancing on them.Love Gun said:fooz said:
Here's the shooter. He was just behind the door to the left.
https://i.imgur.com/rIht9xr.mp4
eta: giphy link
I could've sworn it sounded like an AR. I was mistaken. I'll flog myself accordingly later.
Anyhow, he could've give warnings from his location. Seems a little overzealous.
John Francis Donaghy said:
The window she crawled through was the last line barricade between the protesters and the legislators that were locked down and under protection of law enforcement. The protesters had entered the building without clearing security. I have no doubt the police were under strict shoot on site orders for anyone coming through that barricade.
It is an unfortunate circumstance, but the police today were as lenient as they possibly could have been under the circumstances. They let the protesters roam the halls so long as they did not try to enter the barricaded area where our elected officials were locked down, even knowing that the protesters might be armed since they had largely bypassed any sort of security screening.
Only one person tried to enter the barricaded area where the human targets were under police protection, and they paid for that mistake with their life. Had protesters not overwhelmed the security protocols at the Capitol, police probably would have had the luxury of arresting her instead of shooting her. But that's not what happened. Police has no choice but to assume the unauthorized intruders were armed. Police showed as much restraint today as they possibly could under the circumstances. This woman just went one step too far.
I agree with your post, but do you apply the same logic and honesty to things when its a black person resisting arrest?
I heard a congressman on the news talking about how a few congressmen who were prior sheriffs were down on the house floor with their sidearms.
Can you imagine the fallout if we find out a congressman murdered this lady?
Can you imagine the fallout if we find out a congressman murdered this lady?
Capital Police that work on the senate floor and the house floor, wear suits.Jackpardeeschinstrap said:
Looks like he's wearing a suit. That would be secret service. Don't forget, Pence was in one of those rooms. Shoot to kill.
And you don't shoot to kill.
InfantryAg said:Capital Police that work on the senate floor and the house floor, wear suits.Jackpardeeschinstrap said:
Looks like he's wearing a suit. That would be secret service. Don't forget, Pence was in one of those rooms. Shoot to kill.
And you don't shoot to kill.
Evidently You do when the capital has people coming in through barricaded doors. This woman should have known better but mob mentality makes smart people do dumb things.
She deserved it /libs
Ervin Burrell said:RAB91 said:So the police should now assume that everyone is armed in any riot or violent confrontation? I'm just trying to understand the rules.Ervin Burrell said:RAB91 said:
Why would you assume she was armed?
Do you think they walked through metal detectors on their way in? Impossible to know who had what (if any) weapons on them. Christ, there was a dude with a spear in there and you think it's out of the question someone might have a gun while attempting to break through a door to get congressmen?
LOL at equating this to "any" riot. This isn't some dipsh/t abortion rights activist standing on a street with a pink p*ssy hat. Is your solution that the cops on the other side of the door should have done nothing and let the mob swarm down that hallway to where Congress was being held? A line had to be drawn somewhere, the LEO's were more than accommodating up to that point.
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