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Amen. We need to have more killings of unruly citizens. But it applies equally of course.

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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At my house, yes.

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

Rules are different for LEOs using deadly force than for civilians.

Babbitt was a bad shoot under the standards applicable to LEOs.

It was a bad shoot. But she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Play stupid games…

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Or if Ashli had been part of a BLM mob trying to prevent Trump from being certified, instead of a "patriot." Everyone calling it a bad shoot would magically be gleeful in that situation.

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Or if Ashli had been part of a BLM mob instead of a "patriot." Everyone calling it a bad shoot would magically be gleeful in that situation.

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Just because you are hypocritical doesn't mean everyone is. Stop projecting.

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It was a bad shoot. But she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Play stupid games…

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Can't be both. Not under Graham v. Connor.

Can't equate this to drive-by shooting that kills a child, for instance.

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Uhm, not entirely accurate. Might want to rephrase that.

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Or if Ashli had been part of a BLM mob instead of a "patriot." Everyone calling it a bad shoot would magically be gleeful in that situation.

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Just because you are hypocritical doesn't mean everyone is. Stop projecting.

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I'm a hypocrite for thinking both deserve to be shot at? Interesting.

Ashli Babbitt is an American hero who was assassinated by the deep state because of her politics.

Period.

Her killer should be criminally prosecuted.

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Uhm, not entirely accurate. Might want to rephrase that.

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Which states say trespassing is a sufficient reason to use deadly force?

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Uhm, not entirely accurate. Might want to rephrase that.

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Which states say trespassing is a sufficient reason to use deadly force?

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Any state with the Castle Doctrine?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Uhm, not entirely accurate. Might want to rephrase that.

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Which states say trespassing is a sufficient reason to use deadly force?

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Any state with the Castle Doctrine?

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No.


Castle doctrine says retreat is not necessary before engaging in self defense. It does not mean trespass alone is sufficient reason to use deadly force.

Is the correct term "simple trespass"? The mere act of being somewhere you do not belong would not seem to create a justifiable reason.

But if you are committing other acts whilst trespassing then that expands justifiable reason, no?

I am not a lawyer, but I play one on TexAgs from time to time. Genuinely trying to understand if this is the distinction you are drawing.

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Uhm, not entirely accurate. Might want to rephrase that.

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Which states say trespassing is a sufficient reason to use deadly force?

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Someday research curtilage. Not only applicable to search warrants. Also applies to some states for self defense.

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Someday research curtilage.

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My knees have none, anymore.

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.

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Uhm, not entirely accurate. Might want to rephrase that.

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Which states say trespassing is a sufficient reason to use deadly force?

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Someday research curtilage. Not only applicable to search warrants. Also applies to some states for self defense.

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You didn't name a State.

Please tell us which State that is. Certainly not Texas.

As I said "Trespassing is not a justifiable reason to kill someone in any state Im aware of.". So if you are aware of one, share with us please

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In Texas, self-defense and castle doctrine extend to the curtilage.

I think the iffy part would be in how that curtilage is defined. And could reasonable be tricky.

I have an open backyard with a covered patio and a detached cabana. I also have full shades on these structures. So… if the shades are up is my adjacent patio curtilage? Maybe? My cabana shades up? Probably not? If shades are all down can I bust a cap in the trespasser?

I'll admit, it's a trickier area than I thought.

Edit to add: curtilage is now in the ftc dictionary, entered right after anti-navelist.

In Texas, self-defense and castle doctrine extend to the curtilage AND ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PRESENT


Your right to defend yourself with deadly force is not limited to your home, curtilage, your yard, your neighborhood, etc.

And trespass is still not a sufficient basis to use deadly force against someone. If you come home and find someone sleeping on your porch, Texas law does not allow you to justifiably shoot them.

If you come home and find them sleeping Goldilocks style in your just right bed… can you shoot them? Asking for a furry friend of mine.

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In Texas, self-defense and castle doctrine extend to the curtilage AND ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PRESENT


Your right to defend yourself with deadly force is not limited to your home, curtilage, your yard, your neighborhood, etc.

And trespass is still not a sufficient basis to use deadly force against someone. If you come home and find someone sleeping on your porch, Texas law does not allow you to justifiably shoot them.

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Could go with the alec Baldwin defense?

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The punishment for trespassing is a firing squad?

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lol you'd be singing a different tune if the place someone was trespassing was at your house

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Massive difference here., but you know that.

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It was a bad shoot. But she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Play stupid games…

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Thats a different question. Murder is still not justified. That's why the murderer should at least have to face a Grand Jury.

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Ashli Babbitt is an American hero who was assassinated by the deep state because of her politics.

Period.

Her killer should be criminally prosecuted.

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Oh Lord.

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Ashli Babbitt is an American hero who was assassinated by the deep state because of her politics.

Period.

Her killer should be criminally prosecuted.

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This is so silly. She's as much of a hero as George Floyd.

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I'll look forward to the murals and statues. But not holding my breath because she was the wrong pigment.

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In Texas, self-defense and castle doctrine extend to the curtilage AND ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PRESENT


Your right to defend yourself with deadly force is not limited to your home, curtilage, your yard, your neighborhood, etc.

And trespass is still not a sufficient basis to use deadly force against someone. If you come home and find someone sleeping on your porch, Texas law does not allow you to justifiably shoot them.

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Could go with the alec Baldwin defense?

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I knew it...that dang movie armorer!

Horse***** She was murdered. The guy should at least stand before the Grand Jury.