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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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Envy and hate are sad partners.

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Envy and hate are BAD. Period.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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The thread title " I don't care if you don't like Trump, this is a travesty ".

What is the travesty ? The amount of $$$ awarded the victim or that Trump is liable at all ?

I don't see this as a travesty at all.

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I had a family member who was railroaded by a corrupt judge, lawyers, and witnesses. The stress eventually caused him to have a heart attack, and he died earlier than he should have.

I sincerely hope that you truly understand the implications of denying justice to anyone you hate.

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Wow. I'm very sorry for your loss.

I guess I just don't see THIS trial as a travesty. Trump was found liable for sexual assault by a jury in another trial. This trial was to decide the amount in damages done by his words after that trial.

Maybe you are saying the trial where he was found liable was the travesty ? I can understand that. A he said she said verdict is hard to square for whomever is believed to be the liar. I would argue trumps past and present life made it easy to believe her version. I know it would for me if I was a juror in that case.

But if you think it's the amount awarded the victim was the travesty, don't you feel that was a self inflicted wound ?

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The thing about the trial where he was found to be liable is that the evidence against Trump was rather weak.

All he needed to do was take the stand in that trial and say, "I'm sorry, but I don't remember this at all. Ms. Carroll must be mistaken. This was years ago and memories can be tricky, people have vivid memories of things that never happened all the time. I am apologize for the things I said about her, but I felt I was being attacked and I needed to defend myself. I am sorry."

Less than 5 minutes of contrition, along with some decent lawyering for the defendant, and there would not have been a preponderance of evidence in favor of the plaintiff on the issue of sexual assault. The reason he lost that trial was he provided no evidence, not that the jury didn't believe it

Perhaps a judgement would still have been made for defamation, making the argument that Trump's words were damaging even if assault could not be proven, but it would have been much less. Likely under 7 figures.

If, after that, he would have kept his mouth shut about it, it would have been over. It's really as if this is how Trump wanted it to turn out. He certainly had the opportunity to stop it. Instead, he took great steps to make sure he got this result.


Of course, he had the right to not show any contrition if he didn't want to. A wise man knows when he should exercise his rights and when to keep his mouth shut.

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This post should be the EOT for all posts about this topic. Spot on. Which is why I quoted Cool Hand Luke earlier.

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it.

The second verdict and the massive size of it lays squarely at Trump's feet. Let your attorneys quietly appeal the first verdict but leave E Jean Carroll alone.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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This was a private citizen he's been blasting on social media.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

A private citizen with a history of inventing a bunch of bull**** who made a serious allegation she cannot prove in the slightest other than she made it against an incredibly unpopular guy in a jurisdiction where his unpopularity peaks. Georgia would have liked to have seen Duke LAX hammered in civil court

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No Spin Ag said:

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Ags77 said:

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Cry ? About what ?

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Cry ? About what ?

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Gosh you'll have to figure it out

It's interesting to see who is more concerned about Trump and a looneybird sideshow that impacts none of us vs what is happening with the border which will impact all of us forever.

The envy and hate shine through in the posts by CM's and TDS'rs.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Ags77 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Cry ? About what ?

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Gosh you'll have to figure it out

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LOL.. OK

He's stirring the pot. Best to ignore.

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The envy and hate shine through in the posts by CM's and TDS'rs.

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Yeah. Kinda sad. Probably best to just let them ramble endlessly.

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A private citizen with a history of inventing a bunch of bull**** who made a serious allegation she cannot prove in the slightest other than she made it against an incredibly unpopular guy in a jurisdiction where his unpopularity peaks. Georgia would have liked to have seen Duke LAX hammered in civil court

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The existence of a signed Judgment against him for $83mm tends to indicate that she did not have as much difficulty as you think in proving her allegations (by a preponderance of the evidence).

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Wait until next week when the financial fraud case hits. $370M? Plus the $88 Million to E Jean. I also saw where Rudy listed Trumps unpaid legal fees as an asset in bankruptcy so now the trustee will be suing to recover those.

How long is Melania gonna stay with broke ass Trump? And this is just the appetizer for the main course criminal trials coming up.

I guess we can all throw in with Nikki to avoid a Biden repeat. Too bad MAGA ran off Ron. He would have been awesome.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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You're no different than Georgia. You just can't admit the reality because you hate Trump so much. Try objectivity for a change.

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Ags77 said:

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Wait until next week when the financial fraud case hits. $370M? Plus the $88 Million to E Jean. I also saw where Rudy listed Trumps unpaid legal fees as an asset in bankruptcy so now the trustee will be suing to recover those.

How long is Melania gonna stay with broke ass Trump? And this is just the appetizer for the main course criminal trials coming up.

I guess we can all throw in with Nikki to avoid a Biden repeat. Too bad MAGA ran off Ron. He would have been awesome.

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Gosh Mr. Biden, you're just trying so hard!

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A private citizen with a history of inventing a bunch of bull**** who made a serious allegation she cannot prove in the slightest other than she made it against an incredibly unpopular guy in a jurisdiction where his unpopularity peaks. Georgia would have liked to have seen Duke LAX hammered in civil court

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The existence of a signed Judgment against him for $83mm tends to indicate that she did not have as much difficulty as you think in proving her allegations (by a preponderance of the evidence).

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She didn't prove them at all. She couldn't even name a year or provide a witness. Trump got New Yorked.

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Get ready for non-stop accusations/charges over the next 9 months. This man has some baggage. Can't believe that we can't field a better candidate than this doofus.

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Dems have set a new precedent though. They will do this to every Republican nominee moving forward. Not on the scale of Trump, but their desire to use courts in Dem friendly regions to go after their opposition won't stop with Trump.

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A private citizen with a history of inventing a bunch of bull**** who made a serious allegation she cannot prove in the slightest other than she made it against an incredibly unpopular guy in a jurisdiction where his unpopularity peaks. Georgia would have liked to have seen Duke LAX hammered in civil court

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The existence of a signed Judgment against him for $83mm tends to indicate that she did not have as much difficulty as you think in proving her allegations (by a preponderance of the evidence).

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LOL. Like I said, attack the massively unpopular orange man in a jurisdiction where he is most unpopular. Isn't that hard. Any idiot could do it.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Wait until next week when the financial fraud case hits. $370M? Plus the $88 Million to E Jean. I also saw where Rudy listed Trumps unpaid legal fees as an asset in bankruptcy so now the trustee will be suing to recover those.

How long is Melania gonna stay with broke ass Trump? And this is just the appetizer for the main course criminal trials coming up.

I guess we can all throw in with Nikki to avoid a Biden repeat. Too bad MAGA ran off Ron. He would have been awesome.

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Ah, yes. Another totally legitimate case against him. Some of you should be ashamed, but you don't have it in you.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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You're no different than Georgia. You just can't admit the reality because you hate Trump so much. Try objectivity for a change.

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They never will. They'll just keep doing whatever the Dems tell them to do and think.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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You're no different than Georgia. You just can't admit the reality because you hate Trump so much. Try objectivity for a change.

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I hope as a Christian that I don't HATE Trump. Not being able to vote for him doesn't mean I have hate for him in my heart. I teach hate the sin and love the sinner. In fact if he wins in 2024 , he will receive my prayers , as he did in 2016. I'm not a Russia Russia guy or an election denier. I am an American. Whoever is the president is my president.

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About a 5.

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If someone that doesn't know how to use documents for impeachment, how to use a deposition in trial, doesn't know you can't read documents not in evidence, etc gets a "5" I'd hate to see what warrants a 3.

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That whole exchange with the judge was confusing to me. Again using an unofficial transcript from Inner City Press blogging, why the judge kept demanding her to give him the page and line number from the deposition so he could read it into the record and she couldn't ask any questions about it? Just weird.

When I was a newbie lawyer, had a hearing in front of a judge who was very harsh with me, just because he felt that young lawyers needed to be indoctrinated by fire. My client was freaking out that she wouldn't get a fair hearing because she believed the judge hated me. It was unnerving to say the least.

And juries do pick up on that, when a judge is that hostile towards one side's attorneys.

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This defendant and his counsel have a long track record of trying to introduce inappropriate and inadmissible info.

This is civil not criminal, so the appellate burden will be higher on Trump than if it were a criminal trial.

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Asking the judge to read specific lines from a deposition into the record is exactly how that works. I'm not sure why Habba would be confused or caught off guard by that.

Like I said before, Habba deserves a fat ol' ethics complaint for lack of competency. She ethically had no business taking this case.

Every lawyer makes mistakes. She seemingly made a baker's dozen a day

Gouveia walks through the closings.

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The thread title " I don't care if you don't like Trump, this is a travesty ".

What is the travesty ? The amount of $$$ awarded the victim or that Trump is liable at all ?

I don't see this as a travesty at all.

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I had a family member who was railroaded by a corrupt judge, lawyers, and witnesses. The stress eventually caused him to have a heart attack, and he died earlier than he should have.

I sincerely hope that you truly understand the implications of denying justice to anyone you hate.

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Wow. I'm very sorry for your loss.

I guess I just don't see THIS trial as a travesty. Trump was found liable for sexual assault by a jury in another trial. This trial was to decide the amount in damages done by his words after that trial.

Maybe you are saying the trial where he was found liable was the travesty ? I can understand that. A he said she said verdict is hard to square for whomever is believed to be the liar. I would argue trumps past and present life made it easy to believe her version. I know it would for me if I was a juror in that case.

But if you think it's the amount awarded the victim was the travesty, don't you feel that was a self inflicted wound ?

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The thing about the trial where he was found to be liable is that the evidence against Trump was rather weak.

All he needed to do was take the stand in that trial and say, "I'm sorry, but I don't remember this at all. Ms. Carroll must be mistaken. This was years ago and memories can be tricky, people have vivid memories of things that never happened all the time. I am apologize for the things I said about her, but I felt I was being attacked and I needed to defend myself. I am sorry."

Less than 5 minutes of contrition, along with some decent lawyering for the defendant, and there would not have been a preponderance of evidence in favor of the plaintiff on the issue of sexual assault. The reason he lost that trial was he provided no evidence, not that the jury didn't believe it

Perhaps a judgement would still have been made for defamation, making the argument that Trump's words were damaging even if assault could not be proven, but it would have been much less. Likely under 7 figures.

If, after that, he would have kept his mouth shut about it, it would have been over. It's really as if this is how Trump wanted it to turn out. He certainly had the opportunity to stop it. Instead, he took great steps to make sure he got this result.


Of course, he had the right to not show any contrition if he didn't want to. A wise man knows when he should exercise his rights and when to keep his mouth shut.

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This post should be the EOT for all posts about this topic. Spot on. Which is why I quoted Cool Hand Luke earlier.

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it.

The second verdict and the massive size of it lays squarely at Trump's feet. Let your attorneys quietly appeal the first verdict but leave E Jean Carroll alone.

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Groveling before a liar isn't Trump's style, or mine.

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Trump plays the victim role waaay to much

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There's a reason for that.

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And his followers believe it too much . Maybe that's the reason ?

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Why change when he knows it works.

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He can't change with the attack mode of the lib DOJ.

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He was playing the victim with HIS DOJ.

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I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm sure you see everything as justice.

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No problem . You disagree that Trump was playing the victim with HIS DOJ ? He always plays the victim.

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Something tells me you and Georgiag are gonna have a few more years to cry.

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Wait until next week when the financial fraud case hits. $370M? Plus the $88 Million to E Jean. I also saw where Rudy listed Trumps unpaid legal fees as an asset in bankruptcy so now the trustee will be suing to recover those.

How long is Melania gonna stay with broke ass Trump? And this is just the appetizer for the main course criminal trials coming up.

I guess we can all throw in with Nikki to avoid a Biden repeat. Too bad MAGA ran off Ron. He would have been awesome.

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Karma can be something to behold as the final chapter rises above the horizon.

Does anyone actually think any amount of contrition on his part would have mattered? LOL at being that obtuse.

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Does anyone actually think any amount of contrition on his part would have mattered? LOL at being that obtuse.

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Well it probably would have gone over better than what he did, which is the exact opposite.

I believe it definitely would've mattered with the punitive damages.

But as I said, on either this thread or another one, I don't think Trump cared about the amount. He wanted it to be high. It helps drive outrage, and more money and support for him.

Is winning the presidency worth getting hit for an additional $40 million in punitive damages? I think that's a no-brainer

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Does anyone actually think any amount of contrition on his part would have mattered? LOL at being that obtuse.

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Well it probably would have gone over better than what he did, which is the exact opposite.

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Have yall been watching for 8 years? He was toast from the outset with that particular aidience