In his latest unhinged tweets, the fat, orange loser doesn't defame EJ, so maybe this verdict taught him something?

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Faustus said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Ag CPA said:

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Who cares, F him.

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And then they came for the Jews and I kept my mouth shut….

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You guys really need to retire citing to this given F16 couldn't be more on the side of "they" for purposes of the source material.

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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

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https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/

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Remind me again when people on F16 came after any group using law enforcement agencies and by legal means?

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I suspect never on the first, and no clue on the second.

I'm not sure I know where you're going with that, but then again I guess the feeling may be reciprocal with regard to my post.

You're saying the difference is the ability to effectuate coming after a group, and because F16 can't get at the first three categories of victims owing to being a message board, it's kosher to use the last category of victim as support to show how important it is we speak up about the persecution of [home team], just like the Pastor was saying.

That's a pretty nuanced view of it I'm not sure occurred to the author, but still it would be nice if he wouldn't have mentioned the communists, socialists, trade unionists, etc.

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My point was and is, if people can't point out tyrannical use of power, no matter who is on the other end of it, that ultimate power will eventually turn on them.

I am no Trumpeteer, check my posting history, but I can still use my voice to say wow, this is an incredible overreach and very partisan attack that should never occur in USA. The good pastor was trying to say if you don't stand for injustices to others (even if you disagree with them), then eventually those injustices will come to your doorstep.

I couldnt give a rip about Trumps $80M, but I know injustice when I see it. The real measure is will you defend the rights of those you don't support. To be fair, I will pull the lever for the Republican candidate in November, but I don't care for Trump and pray it is someone else on the ballot. He still deserves protection under the law and rights afforded by our constitution. Same goes for people I absolutely loathe (replace Trump with creepy Joe, I should say wow, that is a horrible precedent and judgement based on a person's testimony 30 years later, but I would probably precede that statement with a wall of BWAHAHAHAHA if I'm being honest and then point out the injustice).

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MAGA please send him your hard earned money. The Emperor God demands it to save this country.

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Whats your recommendation 220 billion to a foreign proxy war? Pretty much numb to where my money goes at this point. Govt does more for my crack head brother in law then its ever done for me.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Faustus said:

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Ag CPA said:

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Who cares, F him.

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And then they came for the Jews and I kept my mouth shut….

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You guys really need to retire citing to this given F16 couldn't be more on the side of "they" for purposes of the source material.

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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

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https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/

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Remind me again when people on F16 came after any group using law enforcement agencies and by legal means?

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I suspect never on the first, and no clue on the second.

I'm not sure I know where you're going with that, but then again I guess the feeling may be reciprocal with regard to my post.

You're saying the difference is the ability to effectuate coming after a group, and because F16 can't get at the first three categories of victims owing to being a message board, it's kosher to use the last category of victim as support to show how important it is we speak up about the persecution of [home team], just like the Pastor was saying.

That's a pretty nuanced view of it I'm not sure occurred to the author, but still it would be nice if he wouldn't have mentioned the communists, socialists, trade unionists, etc.

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My point was and is, if people can't point out tyrannical use of power, no matter who is on the other end of it, that ultimate power will eventually turn on them.

I am no Trumpeteer, check my posting history, but I can still use my voice to say wow, this is an incredible overreach and very partisan attack that should never occur in USA. The good pastor was trying to say if you don't stand for injustices to others (even if you disagree with them), then eventually those injustices will come to your doorstep.

I couldnt give a rip about Trumps $80M, but I know injustice when I see it. The real measure is will you defend the rights of those you don't support. To be fair, I will pull the lever for the Republican candidate in November, but I don't care for Trump and pray it is someone else on the ballot. He still deserves protection under the law and rights afforded by our constitution. Same goes for people I absolutely loathe (replace Trump with creepy Joe, I should say wow, that is a horrible precedent and judgement based on a person's testimony 30 years later, but I would probably precede that statement with a wall of BWAHAHAHAHA if I'm being honest and then point out the injustice).

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Fair enough, and you're right that what's happening to Trump is wrong and only because he became politically powerful.

I also didn't mean to assume your posting history (which is why I framed it in F16 terms). However I stand by the assertion that it's incongruous to cite to First They Came while skipping most of the victims the board rails against daily.

Cheers.

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We only think we have a Constitution and the rights therein, until you're stuck in a courtroom with a judge who is repugnant to the Constitution.

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If you watched any of the confirmation hearings for Biden nominated judges, you know this is going to be the case for a long time in federal court.

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We only think we have a Constitution and the rights therein, until you're stuck in a courtroom with a judge who is repugnant to the Constitution.

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If you watched any of the confirmation hearings for Biden nominated judges, you know this is going to be the case for a long time in federal court. Yes, the Trump case was in NY State Court, but the federal courts are about to be the same.

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This was in federal court under a senior judge appointed by Bill Clinton

I stand corrected. Diversity jurisdiction, eh? Can't imagine the Court of Appeals will allow this one to stand.

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I stand corrected. Diversity jurisdiction, eh? Can't imagine the Court of Appeals will allow this one to stand.

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I believe this case actually ended up in federal court because Trump's DOJ removed it under the Westfall Act before he left office

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It seems being a pathological liar is a liability in a "he said she said" civil case.

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So is having a presiding court hell bent on "takin' you down".

Our legal system is broken

He's back on Twitter?

He ****ed around and found out lol

How are we still talking about “proper”? The justice system has been fully weaponized, it is unapologetically corrupt, and that’s the world we live in. People will be awaiting execution in the dungeons of the secret police still asking ‘how is this proper?’ https://t.co/wTCcFhqsEh

— Martyr Made (@martyrmade) January 27, 2024

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I stand corrected. Diversity jurisdiction, eh? Can't imagine the Court of Appeals will allow this one to stand.

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I believe this case actually ended up in federal court because Trump's DOJ removed it under the Westfall Act before he left office

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there's been a few 'cases' - an 'assault' one; a defamation one; and another defamation one? I think? I'm not sure ..... which one are we taxpayers on the hook for??

The assault is under new york law because they changed the law just for trump/carroll. The first defamation would probably be the westfall (and get to federal court). It is the second defamation that less certain on - it happened after the first defamation case and trump was out of office, but then why/how would it be the same judge?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/09/justice-department-intervenes-in-trump-and-e-jean-carroll-case.html

Somebody ate Wheaties late in the day. Lol.

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It seems being a pathological liar is a liability in a "he said she said" civil case.

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Lots of liars out there. Only one TDS phenomenon. TDS infected judge and jury is the liability.

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It seems being a pathological liar is a liability in a "he said she said" civil case.

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Only for Republicans.

THAT is the issue.

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Bill Cosby - Democrat
Harvey Weinstein - Democrat
Jimmy Iovine - Democrat
Axl Rose - frequently bashed Trump
Sean Combs - Biden supporter
Bill Clinton

How many more would you like listed of people that are Dems or Dem supporters sued for sexual assault to disprove your comment?

Btw, the bill that changed the statute of limitations in NY was supported by Republicans in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein and others in the entertainment industry.

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Political arena, not actors. You named one, Bill Clinton. Decent example and a rare one. Sen Mendez is another one off, but his was so egregious that it was impossible to keep ignoring even though the DOJ tried for a long time.

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So one Dem President and one Rep President. I know of no other President that has been sued in civil court for sexual harassment like this. (I bet Kennedy would get sued in today's legal environment.). I think that proves my point that this isn't just used on Republicans. Many of the others above are being sued under the one year look back allowed under NY law and it wasn't passed to allow this case to be filed against Trump for sexual assault. It was done to allow women to go after people like Weinstein and the others accused in the Me Too movement. I don't think the statute of limitations should have been changed to go for cases where the time limit had passed. Also, the original case with Carroll v Trump started as a defamation case from statements made in 2017 so there wasn't an issue with the statute of limitations there.

Mendez I don't think is being sued in civil court but better get his day in criminal court.

PS. Andrew Cuomo has also been sued under this law. I doubt F16 will be in an uproar if he gets tagged.

Donald Trump wants to be the presumptive Republican nominee and we’re talking about $83 million in damages. We’re not talking about fixing the border. We’re not talking about tackling inflation. America can do better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) January 26, 2024

We see you found some ***** material. Good luck.

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Our system works this way: a jury found that Carroll proved Trump had sexually abused and defamed her by a preponderance of the evidence. The jury listed to all of the evidence from both sides.

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LOL

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Wow anyone the believes the quoted text needs to seek immediate mental health treatment. That's either straight up lying or a level of ignorance that is simply stunning in this day and age. Holy Carp!

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You are myopic.

The assault claim was he/she said. All other things equal, a coin flip. The jury listened to each of them and found her more credible than him. Why?

Candidly, the man comes across as a snake oil salesman. Always has, back into the 80s. If I were on a jury, I would be skeptical of any words that came out of his mouth, and the jury was apparently equally skeptical.

You people refuse to see it because you bought the snake oil.

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Ag CPA said:

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Who cares, F him.

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Just wait until they do it to your candidate!

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Tara Reade accused Biden, but of course Dems swept it under the rug. "Believe all women", except her.

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Wait a second - she got 16X the $ for slandering her than for raping her?

So violating her good name is worth 16X more than violating her.... well, you know.

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FFS, do you understand NOTHING about this case?

80% of the judgment was NOT compensatory. It was punitive. It had NOTHING to do with her. It was punishment for Trump, for generally being an *******.

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Then Trump appeals again. No money is getting to her from any of this..

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Do you actually think he will prevail on appeal?

That level of blind fealty is … cute.

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It will be appealed. She will lose. I hope it makes all the lib heroes feel good and all at the cocktail parties.

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Upon what evidence is your opinion that she will lose based?

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Trump worship.

$100 says he knows ZERO about any legit appellate point in the case.

The left wingers have really come out of the woodwork for this one….i guess they finally "got him"

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Then Trump appeals again. No money is getting to her from any of this..

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Do you actually think he will prevail on appeal?

That level of blind fealty is … cute.

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I believe our judicial system will get it correct and appeal court will reverse the horrible decision.

He also runs his mouth too much and he is his own worst enemy. And he has more money than Jesus and can afford to play.

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The left wingers have really come out of the woodwork for this one….i guess they finally "got him"

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whats funny is that for this one, trip could just write a check.

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Who cares, F him.

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And then they came for the Jews and I kept my mouth shut….

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Got it, Trump's ongoing legal problems for not keeping his pants zipped compare to the Holocaust in your mind.

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You completely missed his point.

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No I didn't.

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Tell us what his point is then instead of being a snug *******.

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Then Trump appeals again. No money is getting to her from any of this..

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Do you actually think he will prevail on appeal?

That level of blind fealty is … cute.

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I believe our judicial system will get it correct and appeal court will reverse the horrible decision.

He also runs his mouth too much and he is his own worst enemy. And he has more money than Jesus and can afford to play.

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It didn't help his case when he does things in his deposition like saying she isn't his type and then identifies her as his former wife and when he keeps saying less than flattering things about her in social media and in front of cameras. If he isn't careful, she will file another defamation case. I could see the judgment being reduced as they frequently are in civil cases but I don't see it getting thrown out based on what I have read.

I would be interested in hearing from the lawyers as to what the strongest arguments are for his appeal that aren't the generic ones made in many cases.

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Do you actually think he will prevail on appeal?

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I believe … judicial system will get it correct and appeal court will reverse the horrible decision.

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Why? Do not give us Trump worship. Give us objective analysis of even one potential appellate point

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He also … has more money than Jesus and can afford to play.

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all that does is delay the inevitable.

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Anyone who supports him makes me seriously question their competency.

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Problem is it's either him or Biden. We've seen what Biden will do and it will be worse in a lame duck term. Always is.

Trump at least protected our borders. Biden will not. Living in Texas, I want my border closed.
You can question my incompetency but I can also assume you don't live in Texas.

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Our system works this way: a jury found that Carroll proved Trump had sexually abused and defamed her by a preponderance of the evidence. The jury listed to all of the evidence from both sides.

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LOL

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Wow anyone the believes the quoted text needs to seek immediate mental health treatment. That's either straight up lying or a level of ignorance that is simply stunning in this day and age. Holy Carp!

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You are myopic.

The assault claim was he/she said. All other things equal, a coin flip. The jury listened to each of them and found her more credible than him. Why?

Candidly, the man comes across as a snake oil salesman. Always has, back into the 80s. If I were on a jury, I would be skeptical of any words that came out of his mouth, and the jury was apparently equally skeptical.

You people refuse to see it because you bought the snake oil.

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Trump has married 2 supermodels and you want me to believe he banged this mid level chick?

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I kinda agree. He didn't even attend the first trial which was more important. He made every effort to attend this one and knowingly kept talking. He hired a campaign cheerleader instead of a legit lawyer.

$83M makes the base pissed off and also so attention grabbing to make people not paying attention go WTF

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Well, he couldn't hire a legit lawyer, being that no legit lawyer would consider representing him on this case this time around. So he had to get somebody who got her degree from Widener University in 2010.