Trump Shutting Down USAID

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10:01p, 2/3/25
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pagerman @ work said:
Science Denier said:
jacketman03 said:
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Thread title says "Trump shuts down USAID", but the story is all about Musk saying he's going to do it. So I guess now we're cool with unelected bureaucrats taking control of government?

Nice principles you got there.
Musk is not shutting it down. Trump is.

Here is a little education for you. The process is:
1. Musk finds bull**** waste,
2. Musk brings it to Trump,
3. Trump either approves or not
4. If Trump approves, the plan is carried out

I am GREATFUL that an outsider can look at a budget/org and make recommendations to Trump. Our country was almost totally ****ED by unelected bureaucrats. Now, these asswipes are being kicked out.

About time.

So where's the order from Trump directing Musk to do this? Don't worry, I'll wait for you to find it...
Elon Musk: Donald Trump 'agreed' USAID should be shut down

Trump has agreed. That's why it's going to progress.

You see, somethings are just not that hard.

Is the lib newsletter spewing "unelected bureaucrats" narrative? If so, you should get your money back on this week's issue.
USAID was created in 1961 via the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

Given that it was a law created by Congress, all Trump can do is fire everyone and not refill those positions.

But that doesn't "end" USAID. The next democrat president can simply re-fill those positions and bring USAID right back to where it was on January 19, 2025.

While a 4 year savings is nice, Trump has to get Congress to act to end USAID (and the Dept. of Education and whatever else he want to eliminate) so that it would require another act of Congress to bring the program back. THAT is the only thing that will actually "eliminate" USAID rather than simply hitting the pause button while Trump is POTUS.
False. USAID was created by an EO from JFK
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In reply to Fat Black Swan • 10:21p, 2/3/25
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Congress really loves them some USAID.

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Secolobo said:


Expose their corruption and get the regular people to vote them out.
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If they want to risk ending their political careers, do their worst.
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11:08p, 2/3/25
Yikes, she lists some of the bs USAID was wasting our money on


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In reply to Bird Poo • 11:48p, 2/3/25
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Bird Poo said:
JFABNRGR said:
Who?mikejones! said:


As soon as their USAID funding goes out they will leave, oh wait the UN is back funding them.

Hit the UN next DOGE.
"massive protest"

LOL
It looks like maybe 50 people. So a few dozen is MASSIVE now? When will Democrat homer posters finally realize the traditional media has been deliberately spreading propaganda like this for 20+ years?
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6:12a, 2/4/25
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USAID rife with "rank insubordination" "we had no choice but to take dramatic steps to bring this thing under control."

"They have basically evolved into an agency that believes that they're not even a U.S. government agency...they're completely unresponsive. They just don't consider that they work for the US."

"They just think they're a global entity and that their master is the globe and not the United States. And that's not sustainable."

"The goal was to reform it. But now we have rank insubordination. Their basic attitude is we don't work for anyone. We work for ourselves. No agency of government can tell us what to do."

."There are things that are happening at USAID that we should not be involved in funding and or that we have a lot of questions about, but they're completely uncooperative. So we had no choice but to take dramatic steps to bring this thing under control."


Church World Service, Inc. Emphasis on 'incorporated.'

NGO's as propaganda tools to control civil society/facilitate CIA war aims:

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Washington Post (in 1983) wrote that NED has been the "sugar daddy of overt operations" and "what used to be called 'propaganda' and can now simply be called 'information'".

Documents released reveal that NED cooperated closely with CIA propaganda initiatives. Allen Weinstein, a cofounder of NED, acknowledged: "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA".

Philip Agee, a CIA whistle-blower, explained that NED was established as a "propaganda and inducement program" to subvert foreign nations and style it as a democracy promotion initiative. NED also finances the Norwegian Helsinki Committee.

The NGOs enable a loud Western-backed minority to marginalise a silent majority, and then sell it as "democracy". Protests can therefore legitimise the overthrow of elected governments. The Guardian referred to the Ukrainian Orange Revolution in 2004 as "an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in Western branding and mass marketing" for the purpose of "winning other people's elections".

Another article by the Guardian labelled the Orange Revolution as a "postmodern coup d'tat" and a "CIA-sponsored third world uprising of cold war days, adapted to post-Soviet conditions".

A similar regime change operation was repeated in Ukraine in 2014 to mobilise Ukrainian civil society against their government, resulting in overthrowing the democratically elected government against the will of the majority of Ukrainians. The NGOs branded it a "democratic revolution" and was followed by Washington asserting its dominance over key levers of power in Kiev.

Similar NGO operations were also launched against Georgia. The NGOs staged Georgia's "Rose Revolution" in 2003 which eventually resulted in war with Russia after the new authorities in Georgia attacked South Ossetia. Recently, the Prime Minister of Georgia cautioned that the US was yet again using NGOs in an effort to topple the government to use his country as a second front against Russia.

Georgia's democratically elected parliament passed a law with an overwhelming majority (83 in favour vs 23 against), for greater transparency over the funding of NGOs. Unsurprisingly, the Western NGOs decided that transparency over funding of NGOs was undemocratic, and it was labelled a "Russian law". The Western public was fed footage of protests for democratic credibility, and they were reassured that the Georgian Prime Minister was merely a Russian puppet. The US and EU subsequently responded by threatening Georgia with sanctions in the name of "supporting" Georgia's civil society.
And yes, NED operates 100 percent in sync with USAID which is why I put both here. "Center for Excellence in Political Process." Don't ya know we just want to strengthen 'political processes' across the globe. Note the cabal of GOP support within NED as well (2nd tweet below Mike gets into this), the IRI.

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Washington Post (in 1983) wrote that NED has been the "sugar daddy of overt operations" and "what used to be called 'propaganda' and can now simply be called 'information'".

Documents released reveal that NED cooperated closely with CIA propaganda initiatives. Allen Weinstein, a cofounder of NED, acknowledged: "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA".
https://www.ned.org/

Link above for anybody else that had never heard of "NED" before now
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In reply to agent-maroon • 6:57a, 2/4/25
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Thx. It's a fascinating organization he has discussed over the past year or two quite a bit. The NDI is the Democratic Party's side, fyi (pretty funny they have Reagan up right now on their home page, but note their leadership is a who's who of Democrats). And I am probably not the only one with a strong distaste for…certain leadership that has moved there from her State Dept retirement:



Exactly what no one wants to spend tax money on:


But these information warfare operations to 'strengthen' civil society abroad are how factions are developed to then influence their governments (not just NGO's), and explains partially how the liberal Tusk group/parties became ascendant in Poland for a while.
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I'll stop for a bit this am as I hate being 'that guy' that spams a thread but it's just so hilarious what's happening with USaid:


2nd biggest funder of the BBC.


Ace of Spades will be another good spot to follow along.
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Thx. It's a fascinating organization he has discussed over the past year or two quite a bit. The NDI is the Democratic Party's side, fyi (pretty funny they have Reagan up right now on their home page, but note their leadership is a who's who of Democrats). And I am probably not the only one with a strong distaste for…certain leadership that has moved there from her State Dept retirement
I figured that NED was familiar to F16 posters but assumed that there might be others that had missed the discussion somehow. Full disclosure - I was looking up what the letters "USAID" stood for when I ran across the news that Elon and friends were going to gut it and subsequently made the OP of this thread. That's when I realized how big a deal that it was. I've been amazed - and not in a good way - at all the billions/trillions of our tax dollars going into so many organizations that I can't even identify their acronyms. And these are organizations that are actively working against the everyday American whose tax dollars are used to fund these abominations. I used to consider myself somewhat knowledgeable & informed on what's happening with politics and the organizations that play the game, but the last couple of weeks has cast some serious self-doubts about all that...
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In reply to nortex97 • 7:21a, 2/4/25
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Spam away, brother I don't Tweet much and am very much enjoying your updates!
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I'll stop for a bit this am as I hate being 'that guy' that spams a thread but it's just so hilarious what's happening with USaid:
Don't stop. This is a great thread. I can get a consolidated view of all the corruption.
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Spam away, brother I don't Tweet much and am very much enjoying your updates!

I second this! I don't have X, which is where most of this info is getting disseminated.
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Keep it coming….please. I appreciate your efforts!!
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 7:39a, 2/4/25
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Spam away, brother I don't Tweet much and am very much enjoying your updates!
Yep, keep'em coming. On a whim I ended up watching Greenwald's show last night, glad I didn't miss it.

The big picture to keep in mind about NED/USAID (and why they just need to be abolished) is that they primarily exist to push leftwing globalist causes (at US taxpayer expense) and undermine democratically elected and/or populist governments abroad who oppose the leftwing globalist elite.

Secondarily, they serve as a slush fund for the globalist elite to enrich themselves and reward their cronies/useful idiots at US taxpayer expense.
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I think this thread is going to wind up being akin to the 'mueller dismisses' and 'sketchy feeling about Fauci' threads as a forum all-timer.


And yes, Brazil is a present-day case-study in the suppression of the people/democracy by the CIA/USaid. I think Elon will need to be deliberate/careful unmasking that further as it is something he has a particular bone to pick over.


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Mike Benz on how USAID spent tens of millions of dollars of US taxpayer funds to remove Jair Bolsonaro from power and end free speech in Brazil:

"When populist waves swept the world within the U. S. in 2016 with Trump and with what happened all over Europe with Marine Le Pen and Matteo Salvini and Nigel Farage, USAID declared censorship holy war against every single populist group, including Bolsonaro. Steve, I'm telling you right now, if USAID did not exist, Bolsonaro would still be the president of Brazil and Brazil would still have a free and open internet.

It was USAID that spent tens of millions of dollars of American taxpayer money funding the push to get anti misinformation bills passed in the parliament there. Funding the legal advocates who pushed the censorship court there, the TSE, to crack down on Bolsonaro. tweets and WhatsApp and Telegram messages.

They built a censorship octopus in Brazil and it was built entirely on USAID because USAID declared Bolsonaro a populist, Trump of the tropics, and then set up this operation to control the information ecosystem there. One of the USAID grantees even said on a public call that the purpose was to eliminate the, uh, the international exchange of ideas between the Trump movement and the Bolsonaro movement.

That's what USAID does. They kill domestic populism because it gets in the way of their foreign policy goals."


I'll stand by my assertion that the CIA, and its modern-day appendages of USAID and NED, are why people far and wide across the globe wind up resenting the US. And, revolution complete, it was then used to go after Elon and SpaceX, identified as a threat by the swamp/left by then. Of course the Biden Administration was pleased and silent about that.
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In reply to nortex97 • 7:49a, 2/4/25
The dirt uncovered just keeps getting worse each day.
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In reply to ts5641 • 7:53a, 2/4/25
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The dirt uncovered just keeps getting worse each day.


This is just the tip of the iceberg.
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:01a, 2/4/25
Watching USA getting high colonic.
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In reply to captkirk • 8:05a, 2/4/25
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captkirk said:
Secolobo said:
If they want to risk ending their political careers, do their worst.
This is where I hope Elon tells the R's dependent on that USAID money he can support them in their next campaign granted they vote in lock step with their peers or he will fund a Republican challenger if they don't.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 8:10a, 2/4/25
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Prosperdick said:
captkirk said:
Secolobo said:
If they want to risk ending their political careers, do their worst.
This is where I hope Elon tells the R's dependent on that USAID money he can support them in their next campaign granted they vote in lock step with their peers or he will fund a Republican challenger if they don't.
Remains to be seen how dependent they might be. If much of what has been alleged here is true - their opposition's funding should crater as well. They might be able to fund their campaigns with actual donations from willing, knowledgeable and compliant constituents.

Wouldn't that be the day that a campaign could be run organically and not have to fundraise a billion dollars just to sniff a plurality of votes.
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I feel like the lights have been turned on in the theater and masses of people are finally seeing the stage sets and the curtain pulled back for the first time. We are seeing the drug fueled vile orgies of hedonism taking place back stage and realizing that the "important people" have all been playing a part in a production
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8:19a, 2/4/25
It's pretty easy to launder money.

USAID or any Government program pays...

NGO/NPO #1(50% overhead/paying of employees) pays NGO/NPO #2, #3, #4, etc the other 50% not taken to pay themselves.

NGO/NPO #2, #3, #4, etc takes their 40%(or whatever) cut for overhead. Then pay other NGOs/NPO or maybe pays out to end programs.

So before it gets to any people who need the money, it is cut drastically. Not to mention it is for worthless or woke BS at the end.

To make it easy....

$100 -> NGO #1 takes $50 -> NGO #1-5 $10 ea -> Each take $4 and disburses $6 ea.

Only $30(or less) of the original $100 is actually given to people/companies who actually needed it.

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In reply to Red Fishing Ag93 • 8:29a, 2/4/25
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Red Fishing Ag93 said:
Speculation here.....50% of the taxes we pay are wasted.
If it were only 50% wasted we'd be in pretty good shape.
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Wait a minute…if the CIA can rig Brazilian voting machines, what stops nefarious actors in our own elections from…
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Wait a minute…if the CIA can rig Brazilian voting machines, what stops nefarious actors in our own elections from…
Ding ding ding

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Wait a minute…if the CIA can rig Brazilian voting machines, what stops nefarious actors in our own elections from…
Hmmmmmmmm…

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8:39a, 2/4/25
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Marco Rubio? And now he is in charge of USAID?

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Hopefully he has turned and will be an actor for good
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8:42a, 2/4/25
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I'd like to know how much of our tax payer dollars ultimately end up in Cayman Island and Swiss bank accounts.
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