DOW down another thousand [Started 4/21/25]

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Okay, right. Well, back from that ban.

So, anyway, this seems to have just devolved into people yelling past each other. Of course the resident progressives bailed out when the markets rose.

What have we learned?

- Trump is making the markets chaos right now.
- Stand fast. You can't time the market.
- This is an economic reset, and it WILL be painful. It sucks for us all.
- If you're older, you had better have your risk ducks in a row. If you do not, do not expect much sympathy.
- Boomers and Millennials still hate each other.
CDUB98
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Just implement is smartly and don't self destruct.
Care to explain how Trump can do this without every country blowing him off and just waiting for the next D president?
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infinity ag said:

LMCane said:

Dow up nearly 500, NASDAQ up nearly 500 and 2.5%

the sky is falling!!

EXACTLY how is Trump supposed to get other countries to lower their tariff barriers against the USA?!

would love to hear the answer from all the leftists and Panicans.

tell us EXACTLY what you would do differently

I am all for tariffs.

Just implement is smartly and don't self destruct.


Only way to do it smartly is to get congress involved and make permanent changes. Congress has no interest in doing anything other than enrich themselves and get sound bites for the media so Trump has a very tight timeline to get through the rocky parts before mid-terms. I'm not saying I agree with everything he is doing, but I'm willing to buckle up and go along for the ride because at least he is trying to do something other than kick the can down the road.
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Dang it. Sorry guys. The DOW is up another 400 points. I know that is upsetting. Hang in there. Maybe soothe yourself on an insane Reddit forum. R-Aggies is upset about Charlie Kirk. Maybe that one will help you regulate.
TexasAggiesWin
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2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?
infinity ag
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Awesome.

One more day without Trump opening his mouth and we are making money again.

I am still in a hole though YTD.
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TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
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coolerguy12 said:

infinity ag said:

LMCane said:

Dow up nearly 500, NASDAQ up nearly 500 and 2.5%

the sky is falling!!

EXACTLY how is Trump supposed to get other countries to lower their tariff barriers against the USA?!

would love to hear the answer from all the leftists and Panicans.

tell us EXACTLY what you would do differently

I am all for tariffs.

Just implement is smartly and don't self destruct.


Only way to do it smartly is to get congress involved and make permanent changes. Congress has no interest in doing anything other than enrich themselves and get sound bites for the media so Trump has a very tight timeline to get through the rocky parts before mid-terms. I'm not saying I agree with everything he is doing, but I'm willing to buckle up and go along for the ride because at least he is trying to do something other than kick the can down the road.

We all know that US politicians and US CEOs are 3rd rate scumbags. Not new.
But yes, I think you are right that Trump is under a tight timeline.

I hope we all win in the end. I am a long term guy.
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Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!
unimboti nkum
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bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait
Soso nikinombiki maaki dii.
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unimboti nkum said:

bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait

I'd like to see it another 10% down, SP 500 that is. That would be about right. Then we go from there.
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esteban
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Logos Stick said:

unimboti nkum said:

bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait

I'd like to see it another 10% down, SP 500 that is. That would be about right. Then we go from there.
Which industries do you think are overvalued? Or is it all industries across the board?
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esteban said:

Logos Stick said:

unimboti nkum said:

bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait

I'd like to see it another 10% down, SP 500 that is. That would be about right. Then we go from there.
Which industries do you think are overvalued? Or is it all industries across the board?

Mag 7 is an issue for sure. That's what is helping drive the abnormal CAPE. The broader market's above-average valuations also play a role. I just like the slope we had from 2010-2019. That seems sustainable.
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unimboti nkum said:

bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait


Shortly after the government stops deficit spending would be my guess.
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Logos Stick said:

esteban said:

Logos Stick said:

unimboti nkum said:

bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait

I'd like to see it another 10% down, SP 500 that is. That would be about right. Then we go from there.
Which industries do you think are overvalued? Or is it all industries across the board?

Mag 7 is an issue for sure. That's what is helping drive the abnormal CAPE. The broader market's above-average valuations also play a role. I just like the slope we had from 2010-2019. That seems sustainable.


Many of the MAG 7 are already trading at their lowest valuation in years.
LMCane
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NASDAQ up 1,408 points in the last five days

"OMG Trump is destroying the country!!"
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infinity ag said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
but the market CLIMBED between the election of Trump and the new year- that was two months of gains!
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LMCane said:

infinity ag said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
but the market CLIMBED between the election of Trump and the new year- that was two months of gains!


Down 8% since election day
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LMCane said:

NASDAQ up 1,408 points in the last five days

"OMG Trump is destroying the country!!"
But but tariffs!! Dont you get it!!
Funky Winkerbean
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FYI, Trump is scheduled to speak today about tariffs and the negotiations.
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infinity ag said:

aezmvp said:

infinity ag said:

When will the markets reach break even for 2025? Will it happen this year?
I have put many large expenses on hold for this. Home improvement, car etc. I don't want to spend on those until the market comes back.
I would expect there to be a 6 to 18 month correction. Trump is attempting to rewrite the post war order. It's going to take a significant amount of time to see the benefits from that. Lots of companies have sunk huge amounts of money into China and allowed it to become the center of production. China has been a bad actor in this for decades. Industrialized IP theft, knock offs, slave labor, and they used huge trade imbalances with the world to boot strap their country but in ways hostile to the US. In additional they're running an Opium War strategy on us.

Do you realize more people died from overdoses in the US from 2020 to 2023 than died in combat in WWII? Once they release the figures for 2024 it will exceed all service member deaths than during the war. China through their long standing support of the cartels and the drug trade in the US will have contributed to more deaths than every war in US history. Respectfully your large expenses are less important than getting the nation's house in order on things like this. And that will include some financial turmoil.

It's not ideal, but long overdue and necessary. China needs to be removed from our supply chain and we need to stop a lot of what they're doing to us.

Good post, thank you. I think you are right.
I have been anti-China for at least 20 years. Good to see something happening. This is what happens when we rely on greedy CEOs to take the decisions. They will go with whatever is cheap (so they maximize their bonuses). The Govt has to step in to course correct.


Business 101: Maximize profits.

Maximizing Profits = increase revenue while decreasing costs.

The current globalist system that allows CEO's to outsource to cheaper countries for production was set up by and has been maintained by the US government, so if you want to get mad at someone then get mad at the government for creating and maintaining the system that allows for Business 101 to be exercised.

I won't deny there are some ahole CEO's that do shady crap, but you paint with such broad brushes on this topic that it's hard to take you seriously. Everything bad in business is the CEO's fault in your world.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

LMCane said:

infinity ag said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
but the market CLIMBED between the election of Trump and the new year- that was two months of gains!


Down 8% since election day

1. That is not what I stated- I stated the market ran up from election day until January 1 because the OP was complaining about large losses YTD

2. OMG an 8% drop over 6 months! why that never happens in US history! oh yeah, actually it's happened at least 16 times.

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YouBet said:

infinity ag said:

aezmvp said:

infinity ag said:

When will the markets reach break even for 2025? Will it happen this year?
I have put many large expenses on hold for this. Home improvement, car etc. I don't want to spend on those until the market comes back.
I would expect there to be a 6 to 18 month correction. Trump is attempting to rewrite the post war order. It's going to take a significant amount of time to see the benefits from that. Lots of companies have sunk huge amounts of money into China and allowed it to become the center of production. China has been a bad actor in this for decades. Industrialized IP theft, knock offs, slave labor, and they used huge trade imbalances with the world to boot strap their country but in ways hostile to the US. In additional they're running an Opium War strategy on us.

Do you realize more people died from overdoses in the US from 2020 to 2023 than died in combat in WWII? Once they release the figures for 2024 it will exceed all service member deaths than during the war. China through their long standing support of the cartels and the drug trade in the US will have contributed to more deaths than every war in US history. Respectfully your large expenses are less important than getting the nation's house in order on things like this. And that will include some financial turmoil.

It's not ideal, but long overdue and necessary. China needs to be removed from our supply chain and we need to stop a lot of what they're doing to us.

Good post, thank you. I think you are right.
I have been anti-China for at least 20 years. Good to see something happening. This is what happens when we rely on greedy CEOs to take the decisions. They will go with whatever is cheap (so they maximize their bonuses). The Govt has to step in to course correct.


Business 101: Maximize profits.

Maximizing Profits = increase revenue while decreasing costs.

The current globalist system that allows CEO's to outsource to cheaper countries for production was set up by and has been maintained by the US government, so if you want to get mad at someone then get mad at the government for creating and maintaining the system that allows for Business 101 to be exercised.

I won't deny there are some ahole CEO's that do shady crap, but you paint with such broad brushes on this topic that it's hard to take you seriously. Everything bad in business is the CEO's fault in your world.

I am mad at both scumbag CEOs and scumbag US politicians. You can read my posts, they are both equally dirty.

In the high tech world, most US CEOs are shady, lie a lot, cheat and are unethical. I have seen enough in 26 years. They do not love America, they love to cannibalize this country to enrich themselves. Since very few TexAggers are in high tech, they are not aware of what goes on behind the scenes. Hence they sing songs like "we need to bring the best and brightest from abroad". That ain't happening for the past 20 years. The bright ones come but also the intellectual basement dwellers. We need to stop the latter.

Condemn them all.


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Maximizing Profits = increase revenue while decreasing costs.
You read that in your business class textbook and so did I.
But it is not quite complete. If you do just the above, the local population will be pissed off as you (the CEO) are just a taker and not a giver. They will hit back in many ways, some legal, some illegal. A good CEO will give back to keep the locals happy and take a small hit to naked profitability. Why do you think so many CEOs started DEI? Even crooks like Dimon (who is condemning it now when the trend changed). You think they care about gays or LGBTQ? No, they wanted to pander for profits.
It is now time for companies to pander to AMERICANS.
LMCane
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Dow up another 1500 in the last three days
TexasAggiesWin
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infinity ag said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
Gloating? I just call a spade a spade. One cannot claim the world is ending based on one day of trading and then disappear when things go back positive. Who in the hell is gloating? Goodness
Logos Stick
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I've made another 6 figures today on the bounce.
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LMCane said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

LMCane said:

infinity ag said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
but the market CLIMBED between the election of Trump and the new year- that was two months of gains!


Down 8% since election day

1. That is not what I stated- I stated the market ran up from election day until January 1 because the OP was complaining about large losses YTD

2. OMG an 8% drop over 6 months! why that never happens in US history! oh yeah, actually it's happened at least 16 times.



LOL, nice post!
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Logos Stick said:

I've made another 6 figures today on the bounce.


Rich.
TexAggie5432
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LMCane said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

LMCane said:

infinity ag said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

2040huck said:

When does the populist change direction?

Crickets when the market is up, screams bloody murder when it drops. When do you, chicken little, change direction?

Easy.

We are still down BIG YTD. Let the market get back to break even YTD before you begin gloating.
but the market CLIMBED between the election of Trump and the new year- that was two months of gains!


Down 8% since election day

1. That is not what I stated- I stated the market ran up from election day until January 1 because the OP was complaining about large losses YTD

2. OMG an 8% drop over 6 months! why that never happens in US history! oh yeah, actually it's happened at least 16 times.




The S&P was up about 2.5% from Election Day to Jan 1. YUGE run up.
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What the HELL is happening? The DJIA is up another $487 dollars today. Just as soon as the panic storyline came out it was scuttled by rising markets.
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WestAustinAg said:

What the HELL is happening? The DJIA is up another $487 dollars today. Just as soon as the panic storyline came out it was scuttled by rising markets.


Trump relaxed his stance on tariffs (90 day pause), Powell and China. At least momentarily. Could be up or down 3% tomorrow depending what he says.
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From the investment thread. Zweig indicator suggests the market will skyrocket soon.


The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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Once again, anyone that ****s their pants over a three-week drop should not be in the markets.
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Logos Stick said:

unimboti nkum said:

bam02 said:

Oh no the the artificially inflated stock market is down!

Please let us know when it's at the appropriate level. I'll wait

I'd like to see it another 10% down, SP 500 that is. That would be about right. Then we go from there.


If that happens, the midterms will be a bloodbath next year.
 
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