Science Denier said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

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And I lead teams that consult with giant companies on how they can do it right and take advantage of all the rules, and then help them quantify risk of CBP disagreeing with their assessments. Sure, most companies are doing it wrong because they do it based on tribal knowledge from within their own companies, but almost everyone in this thread saying it is too hard is just imagining what is happening. Amazon wouldn't be taking liability for anything. There is a very easy way to tell how much you paid in tariffs on a particular item - read the ****ing declaration and see what you cut a check for. If you didn't pay a tariff because you aren't the importer of record, there's nothing to add to your invoice or the product listing. Anyone adding some indirect cost they formulaically pulled out of Rob's ASS-P file is just adding the equivalent of a "fuel surcharge."

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Wrong. If a supplier reduces his price and eats some of the tariff, then the consumer is not paying the price of the tariff, so telling the customer they are actually paying for something they are not is misleading at best and sets them up for fines.

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Odd that you are so sure and yet so wrong. If you reduce your price, you have reduced the value and the amount of the duty goes down. Once again, you can still look at the value declared and the amount paid to tie it out. You're talking about some weird indirect calculation, which isn't the actual duty paid. And who is going to fine them and for what in your scenario?

Try again.

same idiot that proposed this at Amazon never proposed an inflation indicator on prices...ummm, wonder whyand how he/she/they vote

Bezos is a coward for backing down

Gradin said:

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Bezos is a coward for backing down

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How thoughtful of you. At least you didn't call him a Nazi….you're probably saving that for tomorrow

Pinochet said:

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Science Denier said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

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And I lead teams that consult with giant companies on how they can do it right and take advantage of all the rules, and then help them quantify risk of CBP disagreeing with their assessments. Sure, most companies are doing it wrong because they do it based on tribal knowledge from within their own companies, but almost everyone in this thread saying it is too hard is just imagining what is happening. Amazon wouldn't be taking liability for anything. There is a very easy way to tell how much you paid in tariffs on a particular item - read the ****ing declaration and see what you cut a check for. If you didn't pay a tariff because you aren't the importer of record, there's nothing to add to your invoice or the product listing. Anyone adding some indirect cost they formulaically pulled out of Rob's ASS-P file is just adding the equivalent of a "fuel surcharge."

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Wrong. If a supplier reduces his price and eats some of the tariff, then the consumer is not paying the price of the tariff, so telling the customer they are actually paying for something they are not is misleading at best and sets them up for fines.

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Odd that you are so sure and yet so wrong. If you reduce your price, you have reduced the value and the amount of the duty goes down. Once again, you can still look at the value declared and the amount paid to tie it out. You're talking about some weird indirect calculation, which isn't the actual duty paid. And who is going to fine them and for what in your scenario?

Try again.

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Market sets the price. Not cost. I'm not talking about the calculation of the tariff. Many vendors will eat the price of the tariffs, thus showing a customer paying the calculated tariff is misleading. It's different for something like sales tax, gas tax, etc, as that is applied evenly to everything. When Trump slapped his tariffs during his first term, the actual tariffs passed thru to the customer was minor.

There was a press conference I saw about this and is probably the reason they backed away from this so quickly.

you gotta realize that at a minimum 50% of his customer (eliminate the slugs and it's more like 75%) voted for Trump...stupid to piss off that amount of your customers

I say anyone complaining about Amazon just doesn't have to use them.

I thought Trump was proud of the tariffs. Why try to hide them?

My grocery bill had the tariffs broken out, about 10% market up on foreign foods. This was Wegman's, I think Whole Foods is doing something similar.

Science Denier said:

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Pinochet said:

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Science Denier said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

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And I lead teams that consult with giant companies on how they can do it right and take advantage of all the rules, and then help them quantify risk of CBP disagreeing with their assessments. Sure, most companies are doing it wrong because they do it based on tribal knowledge from within their own companies, but almost everyone in this thread saying it is too hard is just imagining what is happening. Amazon wouldn't be taking liability for anything. There is a very easy way to tell how much you paid in tariffs on a particular item - read the ****ing declaration and see what you cut a check for. If you didn't pay a tariff because you aren't the importer of record, there's nothing to add to your invoice or the product listing. Anyone adding some indirect cost they formulaically pulled out of Rob's ASS-P file is just adding the equivalent of a "fuel surcharge."

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Wrong. If a supplier reduces his price and eats some of the tariff, then the consumer is not paying the price of the tariff, so telling the customer they are actually paying for something they are not is misleading at best and sets them up for fines.

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Odd that you are so sure and yet so wrong. If you reduce your price, you have reduced the value and the amount of the duty goes down. Once again, you can still look at the value declared and the amount paid to tie it out. You're talking about some weird indirect calculation, which isn't the actual duty paid. And who is going to fine them and for what in your scenario?

Try again.

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Market sets the price. Not cost. I'm not talking about the calculation of the tariff. Many vendors will eat the price of the tariffs, thus showing a customer paying the calculated tariff is misleading. It's different for something like sales tax, gas tax, etc, as that is applied evenly to everything. When Trump slapped his tariffs during his first term, the actual tariffs passed thru to the customer was minor.

There was a press conference I saw about this and is probably the reason they backed away from this so quickly.

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And because many vendors will eat the cost of the tariff (meaning the consumer doesn't pay for those too slow here), it is not at all equal to a tax.

And because tariffs are used to negotiate other county's tariffs on us, it is different than a tax.

And because tariffs encourage domestic production and jobs, it is different than a tax.

And because more domestic production especially is key to national security, it is way different than a straight tax.

Appreciate those who understand this and have stopped posting that is the same as a tax.

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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And because tariffs encourage domestic production and jobs, it is different than a tax.

And because more domestic production especially is key to national security, it is way different than a straight tax.

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No, they really don't. Historically this isn't even remotely true.
We would still have the idiotic regulations that drove mfg away in the first place.

We definitely need certain segments made domestically: military, pharma, tech. We already make record numbers of "stuff" right now, we don't need to make widgets. That is done by deregulation and bolstering the economy via spending and tax cuts, across the board. Tariffs are the antithesis of that, as liberal policy always is the alter ego of smart policy.

BigRobSA said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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And because tariffs encourage domestic production and jobs, it is different than a tax.

And because more domestic production especially is key to national security, it is way different than a straight tax.

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No, they really don't. Historically this isn't even remotely true.
We would still have the idiotic regulations that drove mfg away in the first place.

We definitely need certain segments made domestically: military, pharma, tech. We already make record numbers of "stuff" right now, we don't need to make widgets. That is done by deregulation and bolstering the economy via spending and tax cuts, across the board. Tariffs are the antithesis of that, as liberal policy always is the alter ego of smart policy.

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Disagree, brother.

You're talking two different things as usual.

You're brilliant solution of cutting regs you bring up in every single tariff discussion is actually happening.

You don't have to choose.