Amazon as a business is free to do what they want. Not sure why anyone here has a problem with that. The market will decide if it's a good idea or not. Or at least that's what I read on F16.
This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
A false advertising claim can be brought by a customer, a competitor, a supplier, or a federal government agency.Francis Macomber said:
I guess one of you legal eagles is going to have to explain to me how this "false advertising" such that it damages a consumer.
I think that this is the problem. I think someone thought they could just make a swag at it and everything would be all good.AJ02 said:
I just don't see how Amazon can do this on a part by part basis. I'm talking about the non-Amazon branded, non-Amazon purchased/warehoused items. The millions of items where Amazon is just a storefront for other people to sell their stuff.
There's NO WAY Amazon can easily track and note the tariffs on each of those items. Because it would require the seller to advise Amazon what tariffs they paid, and those are changing practically weekly. Not to mention, COO isn't always straightforward either, and I guarantee a lot of these smaller suppliers have no idea how to determine COO on their stuff.
And some companies will choose to spread the total cost of tariffs out evenly over their entire catalog, versus an exact percentage increase on each individual item relative to the tariff of that specific item. If widget A has a 25% tariff but widget B has a 50% tariff, they're just taking the total tariffs paid and adjusting their average standard cost across all items.
And don't forget that Amazon ships internationally, so some items are eligible for drawbacks once they ship back out of the country.
I think Amazon scrapped the idea, for no other reason alone, than because it would be a NIGHTMARE to accurately capture. If I were the department at Amazon that would've been responsible for that, I would've raised seven levels of hell about how impossible that would be.
I'm not saying the fed gov't should do that...I'm just saying they could and obviously this administration has no problem with using the gov't or justice dept to mete out retribution. Of course the Biden admin did it as well. The point I have been making for the past 8 years is that people have just come to accept the low bar politicians and actions that come with the last two administrations.pagerman @ work said:Freedom and liberty are great!BluHorseShu said:Agreed. Its BS Amazon will do this now but not before. If you're going to be transparent, be transparent. The result would still be the same if they don't list the tariffs. If the consumer deems the product more than they're willing to pay, they won't purchase it. That consumer can make their own decision about whether the tariffs were the cause of the sudden price increase or not. The average person often isn't that intelligent but they're certainly not stupid.Martin Q. Blank said:
biden: i'm raising taxes americans pay on inflated goods
amazon: we'll just bake that into the price
biden: thanks!
I would imagine this administration could make things very uncomfortable for Bezos (who's political support changes with the wind).
Unless you do something I don't like, then I will use the power of the federal government to persecute you.
The patriots of Lexington and Concord would be proud!
Deerdude said:pagerman @ work said:Freedom and liberty are great!BluHorseShu said:Agreed. Its BS Amazon will do this now but not before. If you're going to be transparent, be transparent. The result would still be the same if they don't list the tariffs. If the consumer deems the product more than they're willing to pay, they won't purchase it. That consumer can make their own decision about whether the tariffs were the cause of the sudden price increase or not. The average person often isn't that intelligent but they're certainly not stupid.Martin Q. Blank said:
biden: i'm raising taxes americans pay on inflated goods
amazon: we'll just bake that into the price
biden: thanks!
I would imagine this administration could make things very uncomfortable for Bezos (who's political support changes with the wind).
Unless you do something I don't like, then I will use the power of the federal government to persecute you.
The patriots of Lexington and Concord would be proud!
Is that a Biden quote?
Let's say it happens exactly like you proposed. You just jerked $2.5 T out of the economy yet you don't think this would cause problems? Catastrophic unemployment? Also consider that you are now an island because all of your support has bailed on you and you still have the problem of reliance on other nations and the reliance makes us all susceptible to an attack. How would you handle all of that?BigRobSA said:Funky Winkerbean said:MouthBQ98 said:
The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.
How can debt and deficit spending be addressed without disrupting our lives on some level?
Stop the ridiculous spending, even military spending (about the only thing we spend on that is actually constitutional) and cut taxes. Slaughter the regulatory state, too.
Boom. Very little economic "disruption". Lots of economic boom.
"We" supposedly have control of both houses and the WH, yet we keep steeping ourselves in liberal policy stances.
deddog said:This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
You can deregulate all you want. If other countries impose tariffs on our goods to protect their domestic markets, it ain't going to help.
theJonatron said:AtticusMatlock said:
They should be required to boldly, clearly, in your face display country of origin for all products.
This. My girlfriend decided to get into sourdough baking and I went to Amazon to buy a Dutch oven. I searched for American made Dutch oven. In the results, were about a dozen Dutch ovens that did not show the country of origin. I had to search outside of Amazon on about half of them.
They were all made in China.
The only American made 7.5 quart lined Dutch oven was 4x the price of all these Chinese manufacturers and I was happy to pay it. I have been buying products outside of China for years. It takes tremendous effort and shouldn't.
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Some of yall need to be more critical of this admin.
Funky Winkerbean said:Let's say it happens exactly like you proposed. You just jerked $2.5 T out of the economy yet you don't think this would cause problems? Catastrophic unemployment? Also consider that you are now an island because all of your support has bailed on you and you still have the problem of reliance on other nations and the reliance makes us all susceptible to an attack. How would you handle all of that?BigRobSA said:Funky Winkerbean said:MouthBQ98 said:
The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.
How can debt and deficit spending be addressed without disrupting our lives on some level?
Stop the ridiculous spending, even military spending (about the only thing we spend on that is actually constitutional) and cut taxes. Slaughter the regulatory state, too.
Boom. Very little economic "disruption". Lots of economic boom.
"We" supposedly have control of both houses and the WH, yet we keep steeping ourselves in liberal policy stances.
pollo hermanos said:
My god MAGA/Trump are so soft.
You really can't blame Amazon for that. When there are 100 China products for every 1 US product being sold what you see is just a reflection of reality. That's not Amazon being selective - that's simply China making more different goods than we do in US. Of course, a lot of those Chinese products are clones/copies of each other (or copies of US products) under different names...but still the point stands.TheCougarHunter said:theJonatron said:AtticusMatlock said:
They should be required to boldly, clearly, in your face display country of origin for all products.
This. My girlfriend decided to get into sourdough baking and I went to Amazon to buy a Dutch oven. I searched for American made Dutch oven. In the results, were about a dozen Dutch ovens that did not show the country of origin. I had to search outside of Amazon on about half of them.
They were all made in China.
The only American made 7.5 quart lined Dutch oven was 4x the price of all these Chinese manufacturers and I was happy to pay it. I have been buying products outside of China for years. It takes tremendous effort and shouldn't.
Going to Amazon to find made in the USA is like going to the Sahara desert to look for water.
You think American companies being unable to export to other countries because of their high tariffs doesn't impact American companies and the American economy?BigRobSA said:deddog said:This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
You can deregulate all you want. If other countries impose tariffs on our goods to protect their domestic markets, it ain't going to help.
I couldn't give a rats ass about their economy and how they're stupidly tariffing goods. That doesn't impact me or us.
Attacking this issue, any issue, with conservative principles helps us.
Patriot Depot, Mammoth Nation, etc and try and support local businesses (and hopefully this whole exercise will ultimately bring back local / regional manufacturing and supply.CardiffGiant said:
I'm waiting on the "Made in the USA" filter on Amazon.
Agree. And the US Government as a huge customer of Amazon's, can and should look to alternate suppliers should Amazon continue policies that undermine our government.GenericAggie said:
Yall who say, can't blame Amazon are insane. This was a political move, period. They've never done this before. Why now? Because their business is being hurt. This is a direct political move.
I'm not against Amazon's move here. It's their business to do what they want. But they will face the political consequences of their actions. That's business.
This was a calculated risk.
deddog said:You think American companies being unable to export to other countries because of their high tariffs doesn't impact American companies and the American economy?BigRobSA said:deddog said:This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
You can deregulate all you want. If other countries impose tariffs on our goods to protect their domestic markets, it ain't going to help.
I couldn't give a rats ass about their economy and how they're stupidly tariffing goods. That doesn't impact me or us.
Attacking this issue, any issue, with conservative principles helps us.
We absolutely need to pressure them to open markets to us, especially since many of these same countries export to us with no restrictions.
Exactly.AJ02 said:
I just don't see how Amazon can do this on a part by part basis. I'm talking about the non-Amazon branded, non-Amazon purchased/warehoused items. The millions of items where Amazon is just a storefront for other people to sell their stuff.
There's NO WAY Amazon can easily track and note the tariffs on each of those items. Because it would require the seller to advise Amazon what tariffs they paid, and those are changing practically weekly. Not to mention, COO isn't always straightforward either, and I guarantee a lot of these smaller suppliers have no idea how to determine COO on their stuff.
And some companies will choose to spread the total cost of tariffs out evenly over their entire catalog, versus an exact percentage increase on each individual item relative to the tariff of that specific item. If widget A has a 25% tariff but widget B has a 50% tariff, they're just taking the total tariffs paid and adjusting their average standard cost across all items.
And don't forget that Amazon ships internationally, so some items are eligible for drawbacks once they ship back out of the country.
I think Amazon scrapped the idea, for no other reason alone, than because it would be a NIGHTMARE to accurately capture. If I were the department at Amazon that would've been responsible for that, I would've raised seven levels of hell about how impossible that would be.
flown-the-coop said:Agree. And the US Government as a huge customer of Amazon's, can and should look to alternate suppliers should Amazon continue policies that undermine our government.GenericAggie said:
Yall who say, can't blame Amazon are insane. This was a political move, period. They've never done this before. Why now? Because their business is being hurt. This is a direct political move.
I'm not against Amazon's move here. It's their business to do what they want. But they will face the political consequences of their actions. That's business.
This was a calculated risk.
These things can both be true. Yes we are absolutely impacting ourselves, but its also hard for multinational companies to compete, when there are tariffs against American goods.BigRobSA said:deddog said:You think American companies being unable to export to other countries because of their high tariffs doesn't impact American companies and the American economy?BigRobSA said:deddog said:This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
You can deregulate all you want. If other countries impose tariffs on our goods to protect their domestic markets, it ain't going to help.
I couldn't give a rats ass about their economy and how they're stupidly tariffing goods. That doesn't impact me or us.
Attacking this issue, any issue, with conservative principles helps us.
We absolutely need to pressure them to open markets to us, especially since many of these same countries export to us with no restrictions.
We make more than ever before, domestically. We're not buying it all ourselves, so obviously we're selling abroad.
So, no, I don't see much of an impact. We are impacting ourselves with spending, taxes, regulations...above and beyond impacting mfg. Fix all that, economy thrives and we continue being the best nation to ever exist.
Because they are doing it for one political party and not the other. Its perfectly legal for them to do it, but it is also perfectly legal and expected that the current holder of the Executive can make procurement changes in response.Geminiv said:flown-the-coop said:Agree. And the US Government as a huge customer of Amazon's, can and should look to alternate suppliers should Amazon continue policies that undermine our government.GenericAggie said:
Yall who say, can't blame Amazon are insane. This was a political move, period. They've never done this before. Why now? Because their business is being hurt. This is a direct political move.
I'm not against Amazon's move here. It's their business to do what they want. But they will face the political consequences of their actions. That's business.
This was a calculated risk.
If and I emphasize IF they are showing accurate information. Then how are they undermining the government? By shining a light on the results of their actions?
You are absolutely going to take $2.5 T out of the economy if you plan on a balanced budget. How long will it take under your plan and how are you going to do it? Is Congress going to help you?BigRobSA said:Funky Winkerbean said:Let's say it happens exactly like you proposed. You just jerked $2.5 T out of the economy yet you don't think this would cause problems? Catastrophic unemployment? Also consider that you are now an island because all of your support has bailed on you and you still have the problem of reliance on other nations and the reliance makes us all susceptible to an attack. How would you handle all of that?BigRobSA said:Funky Winkerbean said:MouthBQ98 said:
The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.
How can debt and deficit spending be addressed without disrupting our lives on some level?
Stop the ridiculous spending, even military spending (about the only thing we spend on that is actually constitutional) and cut taxes. Slaughter the regulatory state, too.
Boom. Very little economic "disruption". Lots of economic boom.
"We" supposedly have control of both houses and the WH, yet we keep steeping ourselves in liberal policy stances.
You're not going to "just jerk 2.7T out of the economy", it won't/can't happen that fast. So, since that is true, the rest of the "problem" you pose disappears. But a constant bettering of the economy , basically the reverse of Tarpy Trump's last year and all 4yrs of President HousePlant, will garner positive results.
deddog said:These things can both be true. Yes we are absolutely impacting ourselves, but its also hard for multinational companies to compete, when there are tariffs against American goods.BigRobSA said:deddog said:You think American companies being unable to export to other countries because of their high tariffs doesn't impact American companies and the American economy?BigRobSA said:deddog said:This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
You can deregulate all you want. If other countries impose tariffs on our goods to protect their domestic markets, it ain't going to help.
I couldn't give a rats ass about their economy and how they're stupidly tariffing goods. That doesn't impact me or us.
Attacking this issue, any issue, with conservative principles helps us.
We absolutely need to pressure them to open markets to us, especially since many of these same countries export to us with no restrictions.
We make more than ever before, domestically. We're not buying it all ourselves, so obviously we're selling abroad.
So, no, I don't see much of an impact. We are impacting ourselves with spending, taxes, regulations...above and beyond impacting mfg. Fix all that, economy thrives and we continue being the best nation to ever exist.
One way companies mitigate against this is to move production overseas.
Both these things absolutely need to change.
BigRobSA said:deddog said:This works domestically. It doesn't work internationally.BigRobSA said:Science Denier said:No, and that's why we are ****ed.BigRobSA said:Artorias said:The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Did other admins start a trade war?
Well, until now.
We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.
Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.
Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.
You can deregulate all you want. If other countries impose tariffs on our goods to protect their domestic markets, it ain't going to help.
I couldn't give a rats ass about their economy and how they're stupidly tariffing goods. That doesn't impact me or us.
Attacking this issue, any issue, with conservative principles helps us.
No I do believe many Dems are soft. Especially the WOKEsters. Of course. They are just like MAGA. You cant challenge the leader/dogma otherwise you are evil.GenericAggie said:pollo hermanos said:
My god MAGA/Trump are so soft.
Tell us more, troll.
You really don't believe the Dems are soft? Give me a break.
Funky Winkerbean said:You are absolutely going to take $2.5 T out of the economy if you plan on a balanced budget. How long will it take under your plan and how are you going to do it? Is Congress going to help you?BigRobSA said:Funky Winkerbean said:Let's say it happens exactly like you proposed. You just jerked $2.5 T out of the economy yet you don't think this would cause problems? Catastrophic unemployment? Also consider that you are now an island because all of your support has bailed on you and you still have the problem of reliance on other nations and the reliance makes us all susceptible to an attack. How would you handle all of that?BigRobSA said:Funky Winkerbean said:MouthBQ98 said:
The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.
How can debt and deficit spending be addressed without disrupting our lives on some level?
Stop the ridiculous spending, even military spending (about the only thing we spend on that is actually constitutional) and cut taxes. Slaughter the regulatory state, too.
Boom. Very little economic "disruption". Lots of economic boom.
"We" supposedly have control of both houses and the WH, yet we keep steeping ourselves in liberal policy stances.
You're not going to "just jerk 2.7T out of the economy", it won't/can't happen that fast. So, since that is true, the rest of the "problem" you pose disappears. But a constant bettering of the economy , basically the reverse of Tarpy Trump's last year and all 4yrs of President HousePlant, will garner positive results.
The shipping countries can either pay the tariff and eat it or try and pass it on to the consumer.jamey said:
So consumers pay tariffs, not the shipping countries now, as Trump has said repeatedly