jamey said:

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So consumers pay tariffs, not the shipping countries now, as Trump has said repeatedly

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The tariffs are paid directly to the government. How the producer overcomes that cost could be added in to the product or not. It depends on what margin they desire and what price the competitors are charging.

theJonatron said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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They should be required to boldly, clearly, in your face display country of origin for all products.

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This. My girlfriend decided to get into sourdough baking and I went to Amazon to buy a Dutch oven. I searched for American made Dutch oven. In the results, were about a dozen Dutch ovens that did not show the country of origin. I had to search outside of Amazon on about half of them.

They were all made in China.

The only American made 7.5 quart lined Dutch oven was 4x the price of all these Chinese manufacturers and I was happy to pay it. I have been buying products outside of China for years. It takes tremendous effort and shouldn't.

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Williams Sonoma or Sur La Table are probably going to be your best bet for finding cookware, silverware, plates, etc. not made in China. They do carry some stuff made in China, but also carry stuff made in Europe. Lodge and Viking make cast iron products in the USA.

Lodge makes Dutch Ovens...made in South Pittsburg, TN about 15 miles from where I was born.

Good stuff

I'm amazed at how little you people know about tariffs and the Amazon operation. It's not a complicated calculation to determine the tariff they are paying. They have to do it to import the stuff. It doesn't have anything to do with all the inputs. It's a matter of giving it an accurate HTS code and giving it a value. If it is all imported from China (and Amazon isn't doing some sort of manufacturing to make it ready to sell), then it's pretty damn easy. No complicated looking at the inputs and dividing it into pieces. There is no "substantial transformation." If Amazon isn't the importer of record, they don't pay the duty. Maybe they can ask the importer for the amount if they want to be able to pass the duty through to the customer, but it's not complicated. Amazon already has a very robust backend payment system anyone can use for a price. It can already do things like this.

I also find it hilarious that all you people complain that you can't find American made stuff on Amazon but you still shop there. And for good measure, let's make all of America buy expensive American goods (but still tell the younger generations to be cost conscious and quit buying Starbucks or eating out).

You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

Pinochet said:

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I'm amazed at how little you people know about tariffs and the Amazon operation.

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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They'll know if they're paying a tariff, or not, and then Amazon can make it mandatory to give that info or don't be a seller on their platform.

Bezos has been the main player in facilitating profit for China from their theft of American IP. Amazon is the largest market of counterfeit items and knockoffs that the world has ever seen by a factor of millions

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Anonymous Source said:

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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I'm glad they are doing it.
Don't need **** from China

Folks will realize how much garbage Amazon imports from our enemies. Trump is stupid for getting mad at this.

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It's not just Amazon importing the crap. It is every store in America, unless you go to the Made in America store in New York. I've been involved in this buy American movement since around 2000. There is less and less made here each year. The sad thing is that most Americans don't give a sheet. They just want low prices.

Yeah imagine wanting things that are affordable.

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🚨 BREAKING: Walmart expands support for USA-made products - Axios

"THOUSANDS" of American businesses are expected to participate, taking advantage of free resources to put their products on the national stage.

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) April 29, 2025

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Walmart is just doing that for some free feel good advertising. They've done this crap before. Act like they care about Made in USA products and then they won't carry the products after the first batch.

Walmart single handedly destroyed the textile industry in North Carolina in the late 90s/early 2000s. For hundreds of years, most Americans were using towels, wash cloths, hand towels, bed sheets, pillow cases, comforters, blankets, etc. that came from the textile mills in North Carolina. They were also wearing socks, underwear, and blue jeans from NC textile mills. But no longer, thanks to Wal Mart.

Mike Lindell is the hero America needs right now to save American textile manufacturing. Supplied by Redlands Cotton FTMFW.

murphyag said:

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captkirk said:

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🚨 BREAKING: Walmart expands support for USA-made products - Axios

"THOUSANDS" of American businesses are expected to participate, taking advantage of free resources to put their products on the national stage.

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) April 29, 2025

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Walmart is just doing that for some free feel good advertising. They've done this crap before. Act like they care about Made in USA products and then they won't carry the products after the first batch.

Walmart single handedly destroyed the textile industry in North Carolina in the late 90s/early 2000s. For hundreds of years, most Americans were using towels, wash cloths, hand towels, bed sheets, pillow cases, comforters, blankets, etc. that came from the textile mills in North Carolina. They were also wearing socks, underwear, and blue jeans from NC textile mills. But no longer, thanks to Wal Mart.

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Invest in WMT. Problem solved…

"Amazon says displaying tariff cost 'not going to happen' after White House blowback"

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/amazon-considers-displaying-tariff-surcharge-on-low-cost-haul-products.html

That's unfortunate, actually. I think stupid policy (taxes) needs to be called out and put on display.

honestly, it probably wasn't blowback and more the IT dudes saying "this is a very difficult request to accurately share" since there are SO many different tarriff prices and ways to process.

swimmerbabe11 said:

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honestly, it probably wasn't blowback and more the IT dudes saying "this is a very difficult request to accurately share" since there are SO many different tarriff prices and ways to process.

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Three of my clients have already had customers calling them and requesting the tariff amount be listed separately, similar to sales tax.

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Old McDonald said:

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trump: i'm raising taxes americans pay on imported goods from all countries
amazon: here are those tax raises
trump: how dare you

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Did they show tariffs before? Because tariffs have existed?

BTW - Amazon was a HUGE violator of not collecting local sales tax where they should have, taking advantage of laws not quite keeping pace with technology / marketplace changes.

Again, Trump should just ban any use of Amazon in the fed government.

FAFO.

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Of course not. They'd never consider doing this if a dem president did what Trump's doing.

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Old McDonald said:

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Anonymous Source said:

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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on some level even trump's most ardent defenders know his tariff policies are ******ed and indefensible and don't want less engaged people to know it too

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The left only wins when they lie to the public. Countless examples of this over many years.

Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the public about this. It's only to support a narrative and not based in actual fact.

I hope when this is rolled out, deceptive trade practices, false advertising and whatever else is at the disposal of Trump's team is used.

Your premise of "Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see" is just false, as it really can't be done.

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"The left only wins when they lie to the public" is such a pot calling the kettle black thing to say

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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honestly, it probably wasn't blowback and more the IT dudes saying "this is a very difficult request to accurately share" since there are SO many different tarriff prices and ways to process.

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Three of my clients have already had customers calling them and requesting the tariff amount be listed separately, similar to sales tax.

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I am surprised so many suppliers would be willing to share their transfer pricing, wholesale pricing and gross margins with the end consumer.

Should lead to some interesting effects from a competitive pricing standpoint.

I mean, was Amazon really going to put in that they paid the 25% tariff of $50 on your $1000 TV indicating their internal transfer price of $200 and a potential gross margin of $800... and they want you to pay $1050 on the TV versus them making $750 by eating the tariff?

You would have to be collossolly, magnificently ignorant of consumer behavior and pricing strategies to take this approach. More power to companies saying they want to list tariffs on the invoice, its a bold strategy, let's see how it plays out Cotton.

Tell me you don't understand how tariffs are calculated without telling me.

Pinochet said:

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Tell me you don't understand how tariffs are calculated without telling me.

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But a snark comment indicates you have this knowledge but are unwilling to share it?

If you think I have captured something incorrectly, let's hear it.

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Artorias said:

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Anonymous Source said:

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.

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Most previous administrations didn't impose a meteoric overnight price hike.

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Biden did...when he spent 15 trillion dollars...of our money by printing dollars...

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honestly, it probably wasn't blowback and more the IT dudes saying "this is a very difficult request to accurately share" since there are SO many different tarriff prices and ways to process.

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What's shocking to me is that someone would have actually listened to IT! Usually it's just "find a way!" and they're stuck with an unrealistic expectation due in an even more unrealistic timeframe.

I wish Amazon had gone through with it. Let the consumer know how stupid and expensive it is to buy so many crappy products from China...this would really drive consumer behavior away from Chinese products.

Do it Jeff!!!

The Fife said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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honestly, it probably wasn't blowback and more the IT dudes saying "this is a very difficult request to accurately share" since there are SO many different tarriff prices and ways to process.

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What's shocking to me is that someone would have actually listened to IT! Usually it's just "find a way!" and they're stuck with an unrealistic expectation due in an even more unrealistic timeframe.

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More realistically, they said we can do it, but its going to cost you $$$Texas to implement.

Amazon has a million and three vendors. Are they going to show who sells landed product (where the cost is baked in before it gets to the port) ? What about small businesses who operate through Amazon and buy from walmart then resell from a local warehouse? Are they going to show that the tariff is different on a flip flop vs Showstopper's Dutch Oven? Or are they just going to show the new increases so that its more universal?

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The Fife said:

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honestly, it probably wasn't blowback and more the IT dudes saying "this is a very difficult request to accurately share" since there are SO many different tarriff prices and ways to process.

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What's shocking to me is that someone would have actually listened to IT! Usually it's just "find a way!" and they're stuck with an unrealistic expectation due in an even more unrealistic timeframe.

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More realistically, they said we can do it, but its going to cost you $$$Texas to implement.

Amazon has a million and three vendors. Are they going to show who sells landed product (where the cost is baked in before it gets to the port) ? What about small businesses who operate through Amazon and buy from walmart then resell from a local warehouse? Are they going to show that the tariff is different on a flip flop vs Showstopper's Dutch Oven? Or are they just going to show the new increases so that its more universal?

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They probably anted to just add 10% or 100% or whatever price to the sale to lie to the public on how much tariffs cost them. Administration said they had to actually prove it. You see, lying to the public can be considered false advertising.

Amazon said, wait, we can't lie to the public? Then they said, well, on second thought...

So why is it that they can't lie to the public but the government can?

Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

The Fife said:

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So why is it that they can't lie to the public but the government can?

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Because we can sue Amazon for a crap ton of money.

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

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In IT we called that the ASS-P file.

Pulled out of the physical file named "ASS".

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

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And I lead teams that consult with giant companies on how they can do it right and take advantage of all the rules, and then help them quantify risk of CBP disagreeing with their assessments. Sure, most companies are doing it wrong because they do it based on tribal knowledge from within their own companies, but almost everyone in this thread saying it is too hard is just imagining what is happening. Amazon wouldn't be taking liability for anything. There is a very easy way to tell how much you paid in tariffs on a particular item - read the ****ing declaration and see what you cut a check for. If you didn't pay a tariff because you aren't the importer of record, there's nothing to add to your invoice or the product listing. Anyone adding some indirect cost they formulaically pulled out of Rob's ASS-P file is just adding the equivalent of a "fuel surcharge."

Pinochet said:

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Pinochet said:

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AJ02 said:

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You're talking about items that are Amazon branded and Amazon purchases in bulk to stock in their warehouses. What % of all items on Amazon does that make up?

The difficult part is all the independent sellers that use Amazon as their storefront and then drop ship items. No easy way to do those.

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I literally addressed it in the post you replied to. Since Amazon isn't the importer of record in that situation, they can ask the importer (the guy selling the customer the product) what the tariff amount was. You do need to differentiate in your mind the drop shippers from those selling through the marketplace and using the Amazon warehouses. The vast majority are the latter.

The fact that the de minimis threshold is going to $0 will change a lot of the actual drop shipping anyway.

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I'm elbow deep in tariffs on a daily basis given that I'm literally in supply chain for a global company. It ain't that simple, even for us who have a fairly static catalog with consistent suppliers. So many ways to get exceptions & drawbacks, having to trace back country of origin on an item that crossed multiple borders and underwent several changes, and has raw materials that come from multiple different countries. The average Amazon seller isn't going to know most of that, therefore the data is going to be BS anyway. So if Amazon takes the seller's data at face value, because seller says "oh, I sell this item at $100 and Trump just announced 125% tariffs from China, therefore I'm going to say my new cost is $225 and blame the $125 increase on tariffs." Anyone who really understands tariffs knows it's not that simple. But you think your average Amazon seller knows that? Nope. So when Amazon starts publishing the figures provided by the seller, which turn out to be pulled out of thin air....you think Amazon wants to take that liability?

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And I lead teams that consult with giant companies on how they can do it right and take advantage of all the rules, and then help them quantify risk of CBP disagreeing with their assessments. Sure, most companies are doing it wrong because they do it based on tribal knowledge from within their own companies, but almost everyone in this thread saying it is too hard is just imagining what is happening. Amazon wouldn't be taking liability for anything. There is a very easy way to tell how much you paid in tariffs on a particular item - read the ****ing declaration and see what you cut a check for. If you didn't pay a tariff because you aren't the importer of record, there's nothing to add to your invoice or the product listing. Anyone adding some indirect cost they formulaically pulled out of Rob's ASS-P file is just adding the equivalent of a "fuel surcharge."

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Wrong. If a supplier reduces his price and eats some of the tariff, then the consumer is not paying the price of the tariff, so telling the customer they are actually paying for something they are not is misleading at best and sets them up for fines.

And, since the sole purpose of this is a stupid got-ya narrative, you can bet the administration would go after that aggressively.