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chris1515 said:

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What happened to government not interfering with businesses?

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It's diff(R)ent.

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When a company specifically know-toes to one side of the political spectrum, but is fully hostile to the other side, you are getting close to Fascism, in its original definition, especially when the major corporations in our society today hold so much political power.

I mean, Bezos could do this, but I think that the legal ramifications would be a huge problem for him. Some difficulties:

1) False advertising: unless Amazon is listing a specific additional charge that they are collecting from customers, then it would be difficult for Amazon to publish the amount that was actually due to tariffs. Especially the way that Amazon is set up with so much drop shipping. The laws against false advertising can be pretty tough on accuracy, Amazon is not a popular company politically in many parts of the country, like, for instance, East Texas or Waco, and the damages from false advertisement claims can be juicy.

Can you imagine a US producer of an item having the amount that they increased their prices due to Tariffs listed by Amazon, and then that producer suing Amazon because that was not the amount that their prices increased at all? Factor in to that mix that Amazon sells a competing product under the Amazon brand imported from China, and then puts the same tariff cost increase under both the American brand and the Chinese brand? This would set up huge lawsuits that could absolutely crush Amazon, including claims by small shops that Amazon's unfair competition here contributed to that company going out of business.

2) Country or origin problems: there has been a push to disclose this by companies that have been damaged by IP theft for years. This would give American companies yet another tool to combat Amazon's core business asking for origin disclosures.

3) Political donations problems: If the line-item price is just roughly calculated, and is designed to make Trump look bad, it gives the DOJ some leverage to go after this as a politically motivated campaign contribution.

These are all laws that are in place and everyone has to follow.

The concept of Amazon listing the amount of tariffs that they actually pay on any one item, or even disclosing the amount that one of their suppliers had to actually pay on each item, or even disclosing the amount Amazon (not their drop shippers) increased their prices on the items sold on their website due to tariffs, is probably just fine. But using horseshoes and hand-grenades for implementing this on prices that others are charging, and then trying to hide behind the fact that doing the actual calculation would be difficult, is not going to pass muster under current laws.

This idea was not well thought through. It would not be surprising at all of the sharps in the DOJ that Trump brought in just explained the legal ramifications, with a threat for the DOJ to aggressively sue Amazon to help implement the established laws and regulations and that killed the entire idea.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Eyeroll.

The goal isn't to educate and inform it is to create negative news for Trump and hurt the perception of his policies.

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Well, if your poorly planned and executed policies create negative news, maybe you should re-think your policies.

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Look we get it that supporting big business (and their ability to use slave labor overseas) is something that has united democrats and "free market capitalists". Doesn't mean trump is in the wrong.

are they planning on showing the actual tarrif total or just the new increase? the former sounds very complicated to execute

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Finally, liberals admit corporations don't pay taxes. Consumers do.

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All comes down to scummy CEOs scamming us.

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Except apparently they didn't actually do it, and even if they did, in my view that is the Trump admin's problem to deal with. They need to sell the benefits they claim to the public counter to the costs and economic impact if they believe in it, not try to bully business into concealing it from the consumer to their political benefit. If it is the better policy, they should be claiming it and selling it, not whining when people point it out.

I voted for Trump, but I think this tariff war was poorly conceived, planned, and executed and he needs to own it if he wants to continue it, for better or worse.

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You do realize large businesses shadow supporting democrats/facists (bureaucrats) is why we are in the mess we are in right?

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It's not my job to carry the water for the administration when I believe they are making an error. The last thing I want to do is be a part of encouraging them to do the hole deeper.

I despise the CCP and we owe them hell for stealing from us for decades, but this is not the best way to go about it IMHO. It might be incredibly punishing to the American consumer as well and that risks launching a lunatic Democrat socialist to power in '28, who would rapidly undo all of Trump's progress.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Except it's not. Companies have to compete for sales. Just because the tariff is 20% or 100% doesn't mean the product price is $ for $ increased. Amazon has no idea what the impact of that actual tariff is. This is silly political theater as always.

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Bull****

In our mfg , we have foundries in Mexico and America. They're owned by us, an American company, but the idiocy of tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost. Even though they're OUR foundries. Guess what, the American foundry SUCKS. Their product is ripe with porosity, excess and lack of materil, the works. Mexico is better, but still horrible at times.

Our other choice is a third party foundry in Germany. Their product is superior in every way, but more expensive....even before tariff idiocy....but it's worth it for production..

Our bean counters are already quantifying any tariff costs should they impact our cost structure. Every company worth a damn is doing the same thing.

Tariffs are horribly stupid, but then add in the idiotic method Trump has taken and it makes things that much worse.

Unfortunately, we had no conservative choice last November. Just liberal vs progressive DEI moron.

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Are tariffs stupid if you're using them in order to force other countries to bring DOWN theirs, and thus, lower costs entirely?

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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Well yea they want transparency but only if it doesn't make their leader look bad. That's definitely in poor taste on Bezos part.

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Except apparently they didn't actually do it, and even if they did, in my view that is the Trump admin's problem to deal with. They need to sell the benefits they claim to the public counter to the costs and economic impact if they believe in it, not try to bully business into concealing it from the consumer to their political benefit. If it is the better policy, they should be claiming it and selling it, not whining when people point it out.

I voted for Trump, but I think this tariff war was poorly conceived, planned, and executed and he needs to own it if he wants to continue it, for better or worse.

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You do realize large businesses shadow supporting democrats/facists (bureaucrats) is why we are in the mess we are in right?

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It's not my job to carry the water for the administration when I believe they are making an error. The last thing I want to do is be a part of encouraging them to do the hole deeper.

I despise the CCP and we owe them hell for stealing from us for decades, but this is not the best way to go about it IMHO. It might be incredibly punishing to the American consumer as well and that risks launching a lunatic Democrat socialist to power in '28, who would rapidly undo all of Trump's progress.

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So what can we do then? Nothing.

I haven't heard one person in real life complain about tariffs. This is astroturf problems

Have you not seen posters on this board that are involved with construction/infrastructure projects talk about the price of pipe/valves and similar items? Talk to folks who are actually involved in purchasing and they will give you an earful.

The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Except it's not. Companies have to compete for sales. Just because the tariff is 20% or 100% doesn't mean the product price is $ for $ increased. Amazon has no idea what the impact of that actual tariff is. This is silly political theater as always.

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Bull****

In our mfg , we have foundries in Mexico and America. They're owned by us, an American company, but the idiocy of tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost. Even though they're OUR foundries. Guess what, the American foundry SUCKS. Their product is ripe with porosity, excess and lack of materil, the works. Mexico is better, but still horrible at times.

Our other choice is a third party foundry in Germany. Their product is superior in every way, but more expensive....even before tariff idiocy....but it's worth it for production..

Our bean counters are already quantifying any tariff costs should they impact our cost structure. Every company worth a damn is doing the same thing.

Tariffs are horribly stupid, but then add in the idiotic method Trump has taken and it makes things that much worse.

Unfortunately, we had no conservative choice last November. Just liberal vs progressive DEI moron.

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Are tariffs stupid if you're using them in order to force other countries to bring DOWN theirs, and thus, lower costs entirely?

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Their tariffs on our products there don't affect our costs as consumers here. So, yes, still stupid. There is no getting around liberal policies being dumb, regardless of the letter behind the person espousing them's name on TV.

Attacking the problem with conservative principles will, though. Maybe we should try that, for once.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of imposed costs being normal on items for sale. Show us how much the price of something was increased by tariffs and taxes through the manufacture process. Might wake some people up to demand lower taxes.

Part of the selling point for tariffs was eliminating the income tax. However, congress seems to be going nowhere - especially taxation. Looks like the 'plan' is to just extend trumps original tax plan. =\

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The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.

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How can debt and deficit spending be addressed without disrupting our lives on some level?

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MouthBQ98 said:

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The effects haven't hit yet. They are coming, I'm just suggesting to be prepared for a little bit of a rough time. There are other options besides taxing the American consumer for many of these policy goals.

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How can debt and deficit spending be addressed without disrupting our lives on some level?

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Stop the ridiculous spending, even military spending (about the only thing we spend on that is actually constitutional) and cut taxes. Slaughter the regulatory state, too.

Boom. Very little economic "disruption". Lots of economic boom.


"We" supposedly have control of both houses and the WH, yet we keep steeping ourselves in liberal policy stances.

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What happened to government not interfering with businesses?

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It's diff(R)ent.

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I mean, Amazon is certainly behaving differently with their newfound desire for economic transparency than they were the past 4 years as costs increased. I'm sure it's 100% genuine.

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What happened to government not interfering with businesses?

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It's diff(R)ent.

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I mean, Amazon is certainly behaving differently with their newfound desire for economic transparency than they were the past 4 years as costs increased. I'm sure it's 100% genuine.

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The inflation Trump and Biden caused was a gradual bunch of bull***** This is almost overnight. Quite the difference. But, yes, liberalism sucks. Even when our guy does it.

Ok, you understand no one buys sedans anymore except boomer wannabes and their beamers 3 series and A4s.

But you are probably correct. Trump is doing all these tariffs in order to scratch the back of the UAW.

In the real world, tariffs are being used to negotiate better global trade arrangements that don't have Americans bending over and begging for more.

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Ok, you understand no one buys sedans anymore except boomer wannabes and their beamers 3 series and A4s.

But you are probably correct. Trump is doing all these tariffs in order to scratch the back of the UAW.

In the real world, tariffs are being used to negotiate better global trade arrangements that don't have Americans bending over and begging for more.

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Teslas are sedans and the #1 purchased vehicle, aren't they?

Always a fan of more information, but they had best not remove that detail from their Amazon branded merchandise made abroad. I think it will be amusing if it backfires on that side of the business.

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chris1515 said:

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What happened to government not interfering with businesses?

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It's diff(R)ent.

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I mean, Amazon is certainly behaving differently with their newfound desire for economic transparency than they were the past 4 years as costs increased. I'm sure it's 100% genuine.

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The inflation Trump and Biden caused was a gradual bunch of bull***** This is almost overnight. Quite the difference. But, yes, liberalism sucks. Even when our guy does it.

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It's a means to an end. I've seen your suggestions and they don't achieve the goal. I know you want to think it's that simple, but it isn't. Tax cuts don't solve the problem.

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chris1515 said:

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What happened to government not interfering with businesses?

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It's diff(R)ent.

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I mean, Amazon is certainly behaving differently with their newfound desire for economic transparency than they were the past 4 years as costs increased. I'm sure it's 100% genuine.

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The inflation Trump and Biden caused was a gradual bunch of bull***** This is almost overnight. Quite the difference. But, yes, liberalism sucks. Even when our guy does it.

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It's a means to an end. I've seen your suggestions and they don't achieve the goal. I know you want to think it's that simple, but it isn't. Tax cuts don't solve the problem.

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tariffs don't, either.

Tax cuts, deregulation (why so many mfg jobs left in the first place) and spending cuts do.

Liberalism is NEVER the answer. Not even this time.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Except it's not. Companies have to compete for sales. Just because the tariff is 20% or 100% doesn't mean the product price is $ for $ increased. Amazon has no idea what the impact of that actual tariff is. This is silly political theater as always.

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Bull****

In our mfg , we have foundries in Mexico and America. They're owned by us, an American company, but the idiocy of tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost. Even though they're OUR foundries. Guess what, the American foundry SUCKS. Their product is ripe with porosity, excess and lack of materil, the works. Mexico is better, but still horrible at times.

Our other choice is a third party foundry in Germany. Their product is superior in every way, but more expensive....even before tariff idiocy....but it's worth it for production..

Our bean counters are already quantifying any tariff costs should they impact our cost structure. Every company worth a damn is doing the same thing.

Tariffs are horribly stupid, but then add in the idiotic method Trump has taken and it makes things that much worse.

Unfortunately, we had no conservative choice last November. Just liberal vs progressive DEI moron.

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Are tariffs stupid if you're using them in order to force other countries to bring DOWN theirs, and thus, lower costs entirely?

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Their tariffs on our products there don't affect our costs as consumers here. So, yes, still stupid. There is no getting around liberal policies being dumb, regardless of the letter behind the person espousing them's name on TV.

Attacking the problem with conservative principles will, though. Maybe we should try that, for once.

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They affect our businesses' ability to sell their products, and thus affect our citizens.

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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on some level even trump's most ardent defenders know his tariff policies are ******ed and indefensible and don't want less engaged people to know it too

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The left only wins when they lie to the public. Countless examples of this over many years.

Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the public about this. It's only to support a narrative and not based in actual fact.

I hope when this is rolled out, deceptive trade practices, false advertising and whatever else is at the disposal of Trump's team is used.

Your premise of "Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see" is just false, as it really can't be done.

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do you dispute that tariffs are passed on to consumers in the form of price hikes?

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IN some instances, yes. In some instances no. NEVER is the full cost passed on to the consumer.

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If it costs you $75 to build a widget, do you charge $60 for it and take the $15 per widget loss?

I would expect that in the vast majority of situations, the price charged by each company in the chain to the next company would cover the costs of producing that item plus profit.

How do companies stay in business if they can't charge customers enough to cover their costs?

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More like it costs you $75, you charge $150 and add $15 for tariffs and now you charge $155.

Or maybe you don't add anything, thinking these tariffs are short term.

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biden: i'm raising taxes americans pay on inflated goods
amazon: we'll just bake that into the price
biden: thanks!

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Agreed. Its BS Amazon will do this now but not before. If you're going to be transparent, be transparent. The result would still be the same if they don't list the tariffs. If the consumer deems the product more than they're willing to pay, they won't purchase it. That consumer can make their own decision about whether the tariffs were the cause of the sudden price increase or not. The average person often isn't that intelligent but they're certainly not stupid.
I would imagine this administration could make things very uncomfortable for Bezos (who's political support changes with the wind).

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Freedom and liberty are great!

Unless you do something I don't like, then I will use the power of the federal government to persecute you.

The patriots of Lexington and Concord would be proud!

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Is that a Biden quote?

Amazon has made a costly and catastrophic mistake by choosing to list tariff prices.

Reason being is the vast majority of goods that are tariffed on Amazon have been artificially lowered in value upon declaration.

Eg, they import $50k worth of goods in a container but submit it…

— Michael Guimarin (@MichaelGuimarin) April 29, 2025

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chris1515 said:

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It's diff(R)ent.

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I mean, Amazon is certainly behaving differently with their newfound desire for economic transparency than they were the past 4 years as costs increased. I'm sure it's 100% genuine.

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The inflation Trump and Biden caused was a gradual bunch of bull***** This is almost overnight. Quite the difference. But, yes, liberalism sucks. Even when our guy does it.

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It's a means to an end. I've seen your suggestions and they don't achieve the goal. I know you want to think it's that simple, but it isn't. Tax cuts don't solve the problem.

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You can argue with a libertarian but there isn't much of a point. Everything is a nail to them.

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Maybe I missed it but wish Amazon would add a made in America tab for searches. They make you scroll way down to find country of origin.

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In my experience, that country of origin data has been unreliable. I can't say how many times I've gone to the trouble of locating a product made in the US, then when I got it and took it out of the packaging, I find the words "MADE IN CHINA" on the product somewhere. That Made in the USA thing is pointing to the company that sells the product, I'm guessing, not to the company that actually made it.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Except it's not. Companies have to compete for sales. Just because the tariff is 20% or 100% doesn't mean the product price is $ for $ increased. Amazon has no idea what the impact of that actual tariff is. This is silly political theater as always.

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Bull****

In our mfg , we have foundries in Mexico and America. They're owned by us, an American company, but the idiocy of tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost. Even though they're OUR foundries. Guess what, the American foundry SUCKS. Their product is ripe with porosity, excess and lack of materil, the works. Mexico is better, but still horrible at times.

Our other choice is a third party foundry in Germany. Their product is superior in every way, but more expensive....even before tariff idiocy....but it's worth it for production..

Our bean counters are already quantifying any tariff costs should they impact our cost structure. Every company worth a damn is doing the same thing.

Tariffs are horribly stupid, but then add in the idiotic method Trump has taken and it makes things that much worse.

Unfortunately, we had no conservative choice last November. Just liberal vs progressive DEI moron.

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Are tariffs stupid if you're using them in order to force other countries to bring DOWN theirs, and thus, lower costs entirely?

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Their tariffs on our products there don't affect our costs as consumers here. So, yes, still stupid. There is no getting around liberal policies being dumb, regardless of the letter behind the person espousing them's name on TV.

Attacking the problem with conservative principles will, though. Maybe we should try that, for once.

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They affect our businesses' ability to sell their products, and thus affect our citizens.

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And, yet, we make more now than ever before. 2021 being the peak.

Perhaps the tariffs can go away so these notes can.

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No, I believe it was in the 35% range.

But since the costs of everything jumped like it did...I frequently saw a line item added, specifying the tariff cost.

And to be honest, I prefer this type of measure.

Once costs go up, it takes forever for them to come down...if they ever do. When they have a line-item listed like this, and the tariff goes away...so does the line-item cost. It's better for the consumer like this.

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As we saw after Covid shutdown, the price on a lot of things will never come back down as soon as the companies figure out just how much more the public will stomach for certain goods.

I'd love them to show the tariff's and also what country they are made in, etc. - really easy. Give us choices, let us decide what we want.

Maybe they could go full on and point out which crap is made by Chinese slave labor so I can boycott it directly.

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No Spin Ag said:

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When a company specifically know-toes to one side of the political spectrum, but is fully hostile to the other side, you are getting close to Fascism, in its original definition, especially when the major corporations in our society today hold so much political power.

I mean, Bezos could do this, but I think that the legal ramifications would be a huge problem for him. Some difficulties:

1) False advertising: unless Amazon is listing a specific additional charge that they are collecting from customers, then it would be difficult for Amazon to publish the amount that was actually due to tariffs. Especially the way that Amazon is set up with so much drop shipping. The laws against false advertising can be pretty tough on accuracy, Amazon is not a popular company politically in many parts of the country, like, for instance, East Texas or Waco, and the damages from false advertisement claims can be juicy.

Can you imagine a US producer of an item having the amount that they increased their prices due to Tariffs listed by Amazon, and then that producer suing Amazon because that was not the amount that their prices increased at all? Factor in to that mix that Amazon sells a competing product under the Amazon brand imported from China, and then puts the same tariff cost increase under both the American brand and the Chinese brand? This would set up huge lawsuits that could absolutely crush Amazon, including claims by small shops that Amazon's unfair competition here contributed to that company going out of business.

2) Country or origin problems: there has been a push to disclose this by companies that have been damaged by IP theft for years. This would give American companies yet another tool to combat Amazon's core business asking for origin disclosures.

3) Political donations problems: If the line-item price is just roughly calculated, and is designed to make Trump look bad, it gives the DOJ some leverage to go after this as a politically motivated campaign contribution.

These are all laws that are in place and everyone has to follow.

The concept of Amazon listing the amount of tariffs that they actually pay on any one item, or even disclosing the amount that one of their suppliers had to actually pay on each item, or even disclosing the amount Amazon (not their drop shippers) increased their prices on the items sold on their website due to tariffs, is probably just fine. But using horseshoes and hand-grenades for implementing this on prices that others are charging, and then trying to hide behind the fact that doing the actual calculation would be difficult, is not going to pass muster under current laws.

This idea was not well thought through. It would not be surprising at all of the sharps in the DOJ that Trump brought in just explained the legal ramifications, with a threat for the DOJ to aggressively sue Amazon to help implement the established laws and regulations and that killed the entire idea.

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I guess one of you legal eagles is going to have to explain to me how this "false advertising" such that it damages a consumer.

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I'd love them to show the tariff's and also what country they are made in, etc. - really easy. Give us choices, let us decide what we want.

Maybe they could go full on and point out which crap is made by Chinese slave labor so I can boycott it directly.

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Most is from China.

Hell, their own boxes for shipping says Made in China, printed on the cardboard. In my waste mgmnt days, I saw too many of their boxe due to the sheer laziness of people today.

I don't shop online for anything but shoes since nobody carries 17s at brick and mortar stores. I'm not a lazy ass, I go to stores for everything else, even though I generaly hate people, en masse.

I just don't see how Amazon can do this on a part by part basis. I'm talking about the non-Amazon branded, non-Amazon purchased/warehoused items. The millions of items where Amazon is just a storefront for other people to sell their stuff.

There's NO WAY Amazon can easily track and note the tariffs on each of those items. Because it would require the seller to advise Amazon what tariffs they paid, and those are changing practically weekly. Not to mention, COO isn't always straightforward either, and I guarantee a lot of these smaller suppliers have no idea how to determine COO on their stuff.

And some companies will choose to spread the total cost of tariffs out evenly over their entire catalog, versus an exact percentage increase on each individual item relative to the tariff of that specific item. If widget A has a 25% tariff but widget B has a 50% tariff, they're just taking the total tariffs paid and adjusting their average standard cost across all items.

And don't forget that Amazon ships internationally, so some items are eligible for drawbacks once they ship back out of the country.

I think Amazon scrapped the idea, for no other reason alone, than because it would be a NIGHTMARE to accurately capture. If I were the department at Amazon that would've been responsible for that, I would've raised seven levels of hell about how impossible that would be.