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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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The issue is they are choosing to do it now but not for previous admins/situations. But you knew that.

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Did other admins start a trade war?

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No, and that's why we are ****ed.

Well, until now.

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We're ****ed because govt over regulated us here.

Attack it conservatively. Deregulate, gut spending and massively cut taxes.

Tariffs are idiotic liberal policy.

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He's doing all of that. But he still wants fair trade. You can only do so much without tariffs.

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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on some level even trump's most ardent defenders know his tariff policies are ******ed and indefensible and don't want less engaged people to know it too

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The left only wins when they lie to the public. Countless examples of this over many years.

Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the public about this. It's only to support a narrative and not based in actual fact.

I hope when this is rolled out, deceptive trade practices, false advertising and whatever else is at the disposal of Trump's team is used.

Your premise of "Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see" is just false, as it really can't be done.

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It does seem like an impossible task. I bet it never is rolled out. It would be great though if it could be done but doesnt seem realistic.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Except it's not. Companies have to compete for sales. Just because the tariff is 20% or 100% doesn't mean the product price is $ for $ increased. Amazon has no idea what the impact of that actual tariff is. This is silly political theater as always.

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I enjoy how some posts and posters are attempting to gleefully point out how terrible Trump is. How he is, supposedly, ruining America.

As though the anti-American, neo-Marxists who allowed more illegal aliens into the US than the population of many states, violent criminals and illegals to run free, promoted violence against their opposition (against a Supreme Court Justice no less - "you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you"), lied about a demented puppet President, colluded with businesses and the media to propagandize the nation and win elections, pushed false accusations and trumped up charges while engaging in the exact criminal activity they accused the opposition of, racial animosity, riots, promoting neo-Marxism in education, engaged in the most corrupt money laundering scheme in history . . .

are so much better.

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When Trump makes you pout, go ahead and whatabout.

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Communicate like an adult.

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OK. There are scores of threads on this board addressing the shortcomings...and there are many...of the previous administration. This thread is to address the thrombo that the Trump admin seems to be having because a company whose customers will be affected by these dip**** tariffs decided to go ahead and inform the consumer of exactly how much that the consumer will be affected by these policies, rather than just going along with the WH message of "other countries pay the tariff".

Adult enough for you?

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I enjoy how some posts and posters are attempting to gleefully point out how terrible Trump is. How he is, supposedly, ruining America.

As though the anti-American, neo-Marxists who allowed more illegal aliens into the US than the population of many states, violent criminals and illegals to run free, promoted violence against their opposition (against a Supreme Court Justice no less - "you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you"), lied about a demented puppet President, colluded with businesses and the media to propagandize the nation and win elections, pushed false accusations and trumped up charges while engaging in the exact criminal activity they accused the opposition of, racial animosity, riots, promoting neo-Marxism in education, engaged in the most corrupt money laundering scheme in history . . .

are so much better.

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When Trump makes you pout, go ahead and whatabout.

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Communicate like an adult.

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OK. There are scores of threads on this board addressing the shortcomings...and there are many...of the previous administration. This thread is to address the thrombo that the Trump admin seems to be having because a company whose customers will be affected by these dip**** tariffs decided to go ahead and inform the consumer of exactly how much that the consumer will be affected by these policies, rather than just going along with the WH message of "other countries pay the tariff".

Adult enough for you?

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No. Not even close. The premise that I bolded can't be determined.

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How will they determine how much the tariff cost in the price of the good? I hope the Trump admin goes after them for false advertising and slams them hard.

Make them prove their "tariff added" amount. For every item.

For example, vendor is hit with a 10% tariff. So, they lower their price and the net increase is 5%. Or 4%. how do you determine the actual cost of the tariff? Amazon would have to prove by comparing the previous price of a product to the current price of the identical object. Otherwise, they are not being truthful.

Good luck!!

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Not only that, but understand the companies cost of goods and labor. They would need to have a complete financial picture of that company to understand the pricing structure and impact of the tariff. And track those metrics constantly as the price adjusts to market over time.

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I enjoy how some posts and posters are attempting to gleefully point out how terrible Trump is. How he is, supposedly, ruining America.

As though the anti-American, neo-Marxists who allowed more illegal aliens into the US than the population of many states, violent criminals and illegals to run free, promoted violence against their opposition (against a Supreme Court Justice no less - "you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you"), lied about a demented puppet President, colluded with businesses and the media to propagandize the nation and win elections, pushed false accusations and trumped up charges while engaging in the exact criminal activity they accused the opposition of, racial animosity, riots, promoting neo-Marxism in education, engaged in the most corrupt money laundering scheme in history . . .

are so much better.

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When Trump makes you pout, go ahead and whatabout.

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Communicate like an adult.

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OK. There are scores of threads on this board addressing the shortcomings...and there are many...of the previous administration. This thread is to address the thrombo that the Trump admin seems to be having because a company whose customers will be affected by these dip**** tariffs decided to go ahead and inform the consumer of exactly how much that the consumer will be affected by these policies, rather than just going along with the WH message of "other countries pay the tariff".

Adult enough for you?

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Well it isn't your silly 5-year-old rhyme now is it.

And pardon me, I'll let you get back to the

trump: i'm raising taxes americans pay on imported goods from all countries
amazon: here are those tax raises
trump: how dare you

intellectual discussion you were having.

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AGinHI said:

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I enjoy how some posts and posters are attempting to gleefully point out how terrible Trump is. How he is, supposedly, ruining America.

As though the anti-American, neo-Marxists who allowed more illegal aliens into the US than the population of many states, violent criminals and illegals to run free, promoted violence against their opposition (against a Supreme Court Justice no less - "you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you"), lied about a demented puppet President, colluded with businesses and the media to propagandize the nation and win elections, pushed false accusations and trumped up charges while engaging in the exact criminal activity they accused the opposition of, racial animosity, riots, promoting neo-Marxism in education, engaged in the most corrupt money laundering scheme in history . . .

are so much better.

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When Trump makes you pout, go ahead and whatabout.

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Communicate like an adult.

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OK. There are scores of threads on this board addressing the shortcomings...and there are many...of the previous administration. This thread is to address the thrombo that the Trump admin seems to be having because a company whose customers will be affected by these dip**** tariffs decided to go ahead and inform the consumer of exactly how much that the consumer will be affected by these policies, rather than just going along with the WH message of "other countries pay the tariff".

Adult enough for you?

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No. Not even close. The premise that I bolded can't be determined.

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The amount of tariffs on individual goods was spelled out by Trump on Liberation Day or whatever the **** April 2 was.

So, when Trump's first tax cuts were passed, the left screamed "REEEEEEEE giving corporations billions in tax cuts". Why didn't Amazon list the resulting price drop in goods? I mean, if taxes on goods are just passed thru to consumers, then tax cuts would be passed thru the same way. Right?

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Then it's pointless and dishonest and I hope their feet get held to the fire.

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I see why you think that, but I disagree.

I'd much rather than add a fee (like many many suppliers are starting to do), which can easily and transparently be removed...rather than being a cost baked in that might or might not be fully removed at a later date.

At least this way, you can accurately compare the cost of the goods itself, to see if the price was raised. This matters once the tariffs are gone.

This is much more transparent, and it's not unique to Amazon in an effort to punish Trump. I'd say 60% of my suppliers are doing this, and the number will continue to go up until the tariffs are done.

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I guess it depends on how vague it is. If I look at a $10 package of bath bombs and it's just a little blurb that says "average cost across ALL Amazon items has increased 56.2% as a result of tariffs" and that's the extent of it....that's completely pointless.

Amazon has to collect and deliver the tariff for their foreign sourced products and they can in fact determine exactly what it will be for anything they are importing that are foreign sourced products for a domestic customer because the law requires it. They are simply displaying what that portion is. There is nothing wrong with the consumer having that information and the consumer can decide if that information matters or not.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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Except it's not. Companies have to compete for sales. Just because the tariff is 20% or 100% doesn't mean the product price is $ for $ increased. Amazon has no idea what the impact of that actual tariff is. This is silly political theater as always.

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Bull****

In our mfg , we have foundries in Mexico and America. They're owned by us, an American company, but the idiocy of tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost. Even though they're OUR foundries. Guess what, the American foundry SUCKS. Their product is ripe with porosity, excess and lack of materil, the works. Mexico is better, but still horrible at times.

Our other choice is a third party foundry in Germany. Their product is superior in every way, but more expensive....even before tariff idiocy....but it's worth it for production..

Our bean counters are already quantifying any tariff costs should they impact our cost structure. Every company worth a damn is doing the same thing.

Tariffs are horribly stupid, but then add in the idiotic method Trump has taken and it makes things that much worse.

Unfortunately, we had no conservative choice last November. Just liberal vs progressive DEI moron.

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AGinHI said:

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I enjoy how some posts and posters are attempting to gleefully point out how terrible Trump is. How he is, supposedly, ruining America.

As though the anti-American, neo-Marxists who allowed more illegal aliens into the US than the population of many states, violent criminals and illegals to run free, promoted violence against their opposition (against a Supreme Court Justice no less - "you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you"), lied about a demented puppet President, colluded with businesses and the media to propagandize the nation and win elections, pushed false accusations and trumped up charges while engaging in the exact criminal activity they accused the opposition of, racial animosity, riots, promoting neo-Marxism in education, engaged in the most corrupt money laundering scheme in history . . .

are so much better.

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When Trump makes you pout, go ahead and whatabout.

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Communicate like an adult.

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OK. There are scores of threads on this board addressing the shortcomings...and there are many...of the previous administration. This thread is to address the thrombo that the Trump admin seems to be having because a company whose customers will be affected by these dip**** tariffs decided to go ahead and inform the consumer of exactly how much that the consumer will be affected by these policies, rather than just going along with the WH message of "other countries pay the tariff".

Adult enough for you?

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No. Not even close. The premise that I bolded can't be determined.

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The amount of tariffs on individual goods was spelled out by Trump on Liberation Day or whatever the **** April 2 was.

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But those are not directly passed thru in pricing. China is not going to raise their price by 100% because Trump is slamming them with 100% tariffs. Their goods would never sell. The producer will lower their profit to still make their products compete. This offset is impossible to calculate.

And there is zero price increase on American made goods, right? So, if Amazon adds some tariff to American made goods, that would also be lying, right?

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We are not talking about cost. We are talking about selling price.

Big difference.

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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on some level even trump's most ardent defenders know his tariff policies are ******ed and indefensible and don't want less engaged people to know it too

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The left only wins when they lie to the public. Countless examples of this over many years.

Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the public about this. It's only to support a narrative and not based in actual fact.

I hope when this is rolled out, deceptive trade practices, false advertising and whatever else is at the disposal of Trump's team is used.

Your premise of "Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see" is just false, as it really can't be done.

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do you dispute that tariffs are passed on to consumers in the form of price hikes?

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We are not talking about cost. We are talking about selling price.

Big difference.

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Ummm, they go hand in hand. Our cost to produce goes into pricing.

Business 101.

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Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?

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on some level even trump's most ardent defenders know his tariff policies are ******ed and indefensible and don't want less engaged people to know it too

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The left only wins when they lie to the public. Countless examples of this over many years.

Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the public about this. It's only to support a narrative and not based in actual fact.

I hope when this is rolled out, deceptive trade practices, false advertising and whatever else is at the disposal of Trump's team is used.

Your premise of "Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see" is just false, as it really can't be done.

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do you dispute that tariffs are passed on to consumers in the form of price hikes?

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IN some instances, yes. In some instances no. NEVER is the full cost passed on to the consumer.

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tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost

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We are not talking about cost. We are talking about selling price.

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Ummm, they go hand in hand. Our cost to produce goes into pricing.

Business 101.

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Pre-business 101

Market sets the price, not cost. There is this thing that's explained in Pre-business 101 called profit margin. And in countries like China, they don't really care about profit alot of the time.+

Amazon just said they aren't going to display the tariff surcharge after WH blowback.

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tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost

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We are not talking about cost. We are talking about selling price.

Big difference.

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Ummm, they go hand in hand. Our cost to produce goes into pricing.

Business 101.

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Pre-business 101

Market sets the price, not cost. There is this thing that's explained in Pre-business 101 called profit margin. And in countries like China, they don't really care about profit alot of the time.+

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Profit margin is directly related to cost to produce.

I couldn't give a **** about China's methodology, they're idiots and we don't source much from them at all. I'm worried about my company and the tariff idiocy we're having to wade through for no intelligent reason.

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tariffs are an easily quantifiable addition to the cost

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We are not talking about cost. We are talking about selling price.

Big difference.

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Ummm, they go hand in hand. Our cost to produce goes into pricing.

Business 101.

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Pre-business 101

Market sets the price, not cost. There is this thing that's explained in Pre-business 101 called profit margin. And in countries like China, they don't really care about profit alot of the time.+

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Profit margin is directly related to cost to produce.

I couldn't give a **** about China's methodology, they're idiots and we don't source much from them at all. I'm worried about my company and the tariff idiocy we're having to wade through for no intelligent reason.

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Market sets the price
Cost minus price = profit margin

Just because your cost goes up, doesn't mean it's a dollar-for-dollar price increase.

Only way it's a dollar-for-dollar price increase is if you are that much cheaper than the second lowest price that you can afford to raise your price the exact amount of the tariff. Otherwise, you have to eat the difference in your profit margin.

And, if that happens to be the case, then you ****ed up your initial pricing.

Cost 100% matters.

Pricing isn't static. It's fluid, and it's a spectrum. You've got retail, wholesale, distributor, quantity based, etc.

Take retail pricing for example: maybe the market says I sell the most widgets at a $2.25 price point, and I'll sell less if priced at $3 each. But if my cost is $2.35, I'm not going to move a larger quantity at loss...I'll move fewer at a positive margin. And as long as I can move enough to generate a profit, I've done my job. This is a very very very simplified example, but demonstrates the basics of how cost can help set a price.

Most companies would rather make a little, than lose a lot.

Seems like most Trump supporters on this thread are in favor of Amazon displaying the tariff amounts, so I'm not sure what the gotcha is...

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We are not talking about cost. We are talking about selling price.

Big difference.

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Ummm, they go hand in hand. Our cost to produce goes into pricing.

Business 101.

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Pre-business 101

Market sets the price, not cost. There is this thing that's explained in Pre-business 101 called profit margin. And in countries like China, they don't really care about profit alot of the time.+

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Profit margin is directly related to cost to produce.

I couldn't give a **** about China's methodology, they're idiots and we don't source much from them at all. I'm worried about my company and the tariff idiocy we're having to wade through for no intelligent reason.

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Market sets the price
Cost minus price = profit margin

Just because your cost goes up, doesn't mean it's a dollar-for-dollar price increase.

Only way it's a dollar-for-dollar price increase is if you are that much cheaper than the second lowest price that you can afford to raise your price the exact amount of the tariff. Otherwise, you have to eat the difference in your profit margin.

And, if that happens to be the case, then you ****ed up your initial pricing.

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Good Lord, who said anything about a dollar for dollar increase?

If our cost increases, we'd be stupid (like tariffs and their proponents) to just eat the additional costs.

I don't see how that's difficult to understand . Tariffs increase cost. Also something not difficult.

The interesting thing that isn't being considered widely is that in the short term, the tariffs will reduce supply as prices that exceed acceptable costs halt production on high tariff sources and consumers compete for the supply of lower cost alternatives. That in turn will increase the prices on those sources towards the tariff costs, considering production typically can't be boosted quickly on most goods, at it is planned in advance and capacity is usually not idle short term.

All prices will go up on many categories of products regardless of the source. Be prepared.

I'm looking forward to Trump making Bezos his B___h in front of everyone.

If the price increases higher than someone is willing to buy due to tariffs, is that Amazon's fault? Or maybe someone else's....

If Trump wants to stick it to BEZOS all he has to do is cancel the enormous contracts for cloud space with AWS which controls more Federal Data than anyone. The two largest federal cloud contracts are the National Security Agency's 10 year $10 billion per year "Wild and Stormy" contract with Amazon Web Services (AWS) and the Department of Defense's $9 billion Joint Warfighting Cloud Capability (JWCC) contract, which was awarded to Amazon, Microsoft, Google, and Oracle. The CIA also awarded a multi-billion dollar Commercial Cloud Enterprise (C2E) contract to multiple cloud providers the largest being once again AWS. As well as the Naval Dept having a multi year multi billion dollar contract with AWS.

Eff Bezos and his puta fake astronaut side piece

Judging by the early days of COVID, as long as there are not tariffs on toilet paper, to-go liquor, and sourdough starter kits, most Americans will find a way forward.

Legos will need to be produced in the US as the tariffs will make them even more affordable for children.

Its is humorous to see Amazon pull this back so quickly. Its a horribly dumb idea.

Amazon would potentially know the tariffs on goods it sources, but that is only a part of Amazon's business. The resellers will almost certainly have to provide that information which would also reveal their internal transfer pricing and potentially their margin.

This is not the same as "you live in Xyz, TX so your sales tax is 8.25%". Tariffs are a much different animal and not charged on the sales price to consumer, making this an incredibly poorly thought out trial balloon by Amazon.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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MAGA: I've got no issue with short term pain. I'll pay whatever....
Also MAGA: I'd rather not have the amount of short term pain I'm having to pay waved in my face.

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Non-MAGA: Men can get pregnant and chestfeed and it's also appropriate to bring toddlers and small children to drag shows!

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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MAGA: I've got no issue with short term pain. I'll pay whatever....
Also MAGA: I'd rather not have the amount of short term pain I'm having to pay waved in my face.

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Non-MAGA: Men can get pregnant and chestfeed and it's also appropriate to bring toddlers and small children to drag shows!

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That is just all non-WOKE men. Sorry MAGA you down own those issues. Check out almost every other person on the right that thinks MAGA is silly, Bill Maher, Sam Harris, etc. The idea isnt novel.

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I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.

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MAGA: I've got no issue with short term pain. I'll pay whatever....
Also MAGA: I'd rather not have the amount of short term pain I'm having to pay waved in my face.

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Non-MAGA: Men can get pregnant and chestfeed and it's also appropriate to bring toddlers and small children to drag shows!

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That is just all non-WOKE men. Sorry MAGA you down own those issues. Check out almost every other person on the right that thinks MAGA is silly, Bill Maher, Sam Harris, etc. The idea isnt novel.

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You all vote for politicians that support these things. EVERY SINGLE DEM SENATOR recently pledged support for biological men in womens' sports. It's a carney freak show.

Bill Maher (did you imply he is on the right?) still votes democrat, so he directly supports these things in the most direct way possible...even if he b*tches about it.

My only point is that ZERO liberal "men" should ever be casting stones or mocking what Trump supporters believe. Your absolute best and brightest on the left (Justice Ketanji Brown for instance) have zero clue what a woman is. The simple question completely bewilders her. I wonder if you can answer it? You willing to commit ouright heresy in front of other democrats on here?

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Finally, liberals admit corporations don't pay taxes. Consumers do.

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The relatively limited number of likes that your post received tells me both that there are very few real conservatives on this form.