Sarcasm duly notedTony Franklins Other Shoe said:
Man, someone just switched on the CM/Liberal bat signal.
ETA: And I completely trust Amazon to post accurate numbers.
TA-OP said:
The things rightists complain about never cease to amaze me. I'm supposed to buy that it's the left that loves to play the victim card. Trump has been playing the victim card since he rode down the escalator.
No, but Amazon picking and choosing when to highlight costs as a result of Presidential policies is a PR stunt and not the transparency some are making it out to be. Just like the media criticizing Trump's 'no tax on tips' proposal during the Presidential campaign and a few weeks later praising Harris for recommending the same thing.Anonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Science Denier said:
How will they determine how much the tariff cost in the price of the good? I hope the Trump admin goes after them for false advertising and slams them hard.
Make them prove their "tariff added" amount. For every item.
For example, vendor is hit with a 10% tariff. So, they lower their price and the net increase is 5%. Or 4%. how do you determine the actual cost of the tariff? Amazon would have to prove by comparing the previous price of a product to the current price of the identical object. Otherwise, they are not being truthful.
Good luck!!
Yes. He and rightists are. Using your logic, you could argue that, take for instance, blacks aren't really playing a victim card. In your rebuttal, you argue President Trump endured a sustained series of injustices. The groups rightist claim play the victim card also endured a sustained series of injustices except theirs are deeper, broader, and systemic, not just personal or political. If the logic holds for him, it undeniably holds here. So, what's good for the goose…BadMoonRisin said:TA-OP said:
The things rightists complain about never cease to amaze me. I'm supposed to buy that it's the left that loves to play the victim card. Trump has been playing the victim card since he rode down the escalator.
He was slandered as a Russian asset by the media and democrats since being sworn in, has been impeached twice for bull**** reasons, His house has been raided by the FBI, he had a bunch of phoney lawfare thrown his way, and he was about 2 mm away from becoming pink mist....
Is he really "playing the victim card" at this point?
LOL!MouthBQ98 said:
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If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest...
What is the country of origin for the one you purchased (at four times the price)?theJonatron said:AtticusMatlock said:
They should be required to boldly, clearly, in your face display country of origin for all products.
This. My girlfriend decided to get into sourdough baking and I went to Amazon to buy a Dutch oven. I searched for American made Dutch oven. In the results, were about a dozen Dutch ovens that did not show the country of origin. I had to search outside of Amazon on about half of them.
They were all made in China.
The only American made 7.5 quart lined Dutch oven was 4x the price of all these Chinese manufacturers and I was happy to pay it. I have been buying products outside of China for years. It takes tremendous effort and shouldn't.
Science Denier said:
Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the publi
If it costs you $75 to build a widget, do you charge $60 for it and take the $15 per widget loss?Science Denier said:IN some instances, yes. In some instances no. NEVER is the full cost passed on to the consumer.Old McDonald said:do you dispute that tariffs are passed on to consumers in the form of price hikes?Science Denier said:The left only wins when they lie to the public. Countless examples of this over many years.Old McDonald said:on some level even trump's most ardent defenders know his tariff policies are ******ed and indefensible and don't want less engaged people to know it tooAnonymous Source said:
Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see and we're somehow mad at Amazon?
Telling someone exactly how much a tariff costs per each item is impossible to prove. And, since this has never been done under any administration, the left is going to continue to lie to the public about this. It's only to support a narrative and not based in actual fact.
I hope when this is rolled out, deceptive trade practices, false advertising and whatever else is at the disposal of Trump's team is used.
Your premise of "Amazon lays it out plainly for everyone to see" is just false, as it really can't be done.
Just looked it up - all of their seasoned cast iron and carbon steel cookware are manufactured in the USA (about 80% of total product volume). Their enamel coated cast iron comes from China.Showstopper said:
I hesitate to wade into this because I'd buy the cheap one; keeping the Dutch oven supply chain domestic is pretty low on my priority list, but, that said, I think Lodge makes cast iron Dutch ovens, and I thought they made all their stuff in the US (could be wrong). They tend to have pretty reasonable prices (would not be 4x).
Trade deal with India is done. Major announcements coming tonight regarding the auto industry and bringing things back home.Loquacious Lunchbox said:Yes, and Trump and MAGA have horribly misread the room. They won on the patently false idea that they were going to bring back lower prices. That's it. That's what people came out for. Project 2025 has never had a mandate. Tariffs have never had a mandate.zb008 said:
The Republicans will get destroyed in 2026 because of things like this. People vote based on their wallets.
His war on law firms was limited to law firms who mettled in the political process and conspired to rig elections. But yea, let's leave those guys alone and call it "conservatism"? No thanks.pollo hermanos said:Since when has Trump ever acted like he isnt going to interfere with businesses? That's a principal part of the MAGA movement and MAGA is okay with it. See the war on law firms and any other time he pressures private businesses publicly. Free market folks dont have a place right now.chris1515 said:
What happened to government not interfering with businesses?
Le Creuset - considered one of the best quality enamel cookware manufacturers, including dutch ovens - makes their stuff in France.tysker said:What is the country of origin for the one you purchased (at four times the price)?theJonatron said:AtticusMatlock said:
They should be required to boldly, clearly, in your face display country of origin for all products.
This. My girlfriend decided to get into sourdough baking and I went to Amazon to buy a Dutch oven. I searched for American made Dutch oven. In the results, were about a dozen Dutch ovens that did not show the country of origin. I had to search outside of Amazon on about half of them.
They were all made in China.
The only American made 7.5 quart lined Dutch oven was 4x the price of all these Chinese manufacturers and I was happy to pay it. I have been buying products outside of China for years. It takes tremendous effort and shouldn't.
I bet it was one of those Le Creuset pieces that are all the rage with those who spend too much time online. They are made in France, and I suspect part of the high price is due to the French (and EU) protectionist racket that Trump is modeling is economic policies after.
Will the product be 4 times better than the price in China? Only you can decide, but notice you're wealthy enough to have a choice. Many consumers have to be price-conscious in their purchases.
Trump confirms our reporting that he spoke w/ Bezos this morning. Asked as he's departing the WH on how the call went, he said:
— Alayna Treene (@alaynatreene) April 29, 2025
"Great. Jeff Bezos was very nice, he was terrific. He solved the problem very quickly & he did the right thing...great guy"https://t.co/2UPgOPkes2 https://t.co/743VzpLtbf
Cronyism at its finest. Granted, it's good news for the automakers and UAW employees who have been bailed out twice in my lifetime.flown-the-coop said:Trade deal with India is done. Major announcements coming tonight regarding the auto industry and bringing things back home.Loquacious Lunchbox said:Yes, and Trump and MAGA have horribly misread the room. They won on the patently false idea that they were going to bring back lower prices. That's it. That's what people came out for. Project 2025 has never had a mandate. Tariffs have never had a mandate.zb008 said:
The Republicans will get destroyed in 2026 because of things like this. People vote based on their wallets.
16-17 other nations lined up for deals.
Putting America and Americans FIRST was the mandate. To the extent tariffs and anything from Project 2025 aligns with that, so be it.
Sorry, but socialism has lost yet again.
Just about every single quote and invoice we send out now has some sort of tariff surcharge or line adder.AgGrad99 said:
Everyone is doing this.
The reason they didnt before, was because the lower rates of tariffs were baked in, and had been for decades, along with all the other costs they incur.
But when you have a 145% increase overnight, customers kind of want to know why. Surely everyone understand the difference, right? This isn't an effort to say 'look at this one line-item cost of doing business'...it's a 'this is why your widget is more than twice the cost this week' measure.
Suppliers are being transparent, in an attempt to keep their customers happy. Amazon is no different.
Again...this is happening everywhere (like it did 6-7 years ago).
chris1515 said:
What happened to government not interfering with businesses?
No doubt. We all knew India would be first because of crony JD Vance and his Indian wife.tysker said:Cronyism at its finest. Granted, it's good news for the automakers and UAW employees who have been bailed out twice in my lifetime.flown-the-coop said:Trade deal with India is done. Major announcements coming tonight regarding the auto industry and bringing things back home.Loquacious Lunchbox said:Yes, and Trump and MAGA have horribly misread the room. They won on the patently false idea that they were going to bring back lower prices. That's it. That's what people came out for. Project 2025 has never had a mandate. Tariffs have never had a mandate.zb008 said:
The Republicans will get destroyed in 2026 because of things like this. People vote based on their wallets.
16-17 other nations lined up for deals.
Putting America and Americans FIRST was the mandate. To the extent tariffs and anything from Project 2025 aligns with that, so be it.
Sorry, but socialism has lost yet again.
You added tariff charges on your invoices even though most are paused for the time being?mm98 said:Just about every single quote and invoice we send out now has some sort of tariff surcharge or line adder.AgGrad99 said:
Everyone is doing this.
The reason they didnt before, was because the lower rates of tariffs were baked in, and had been for decades, along with all the other costs they incur.
But when you have a 145% increase overnight, customers kind of want to know why. Surely everyone understand the difference, right? This isn't an effort to say 'look at this one line-item cost of doing business'...it's a 'this is why your widget is more than twice the cost this week' measure.
Suppliers are being transparent, in an attempt to keep their customers happy. Amazon is no different.
Again...this is happening everywhere (like it did 6-7 years ago).
You specifically mean truck and SUV manufacturers. Only one US-based sedan producer is remaining (Tesla). All other sedan makers are foreign-owned companies.flown-the-coop said:No doubt. We all knew India would be first because of crony JD Vance and his Indian wife.tysker said:Cronyism at its finest. Granted, it's good news for the automakers and UAW employees who have been bailed out twice in my lifetime.flown-the-coop said:Trade deal with India is done. Major announcements coming tonight regarding the auto industry and bringing things back home.Loquacious Lunchbox said:Yes, and Trump and MAGA have horribly misread the room. They won on the patently false idea that they were going to bring back lower prices. That's it. That's what people came out for. Project 2025 has never had a mandate. Tariffs have never had a mandate.zb008 said:
The Republicans will get destroyed in 2026 because of things like this. People vote based on their wallets.
16-17 other nations lined up for deals.
Putting America and Americans FIRST was the mandate. To the extent tariffs and anything from Project 2025 aligns with that, so be it.
Sorry, but socialism has lost yet again.
Helping one of the few large manufacturing industries left in the US at the scale of automobile makers makes zero sense from the perspective of his agenda and campaign promises and is nothing more than him coddling the union vote. For sure....
Rapier108 said:
Poor Trump just can't stand it when anyone does anything which might not make him look good.
Look how much he flipped out over the polls which came out showing his approval ratings tanking.
MouthBQ98 said:
I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.
Its (D)iffe(R)ent /the LPNo Spin Ag said:chris1515 said:
What happened to government not interfering with businesses?
It's diff(R)ent.
Watermelon Man said:LOL!MouthBQ98 said:
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If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest...
Like the Trump admin is going to be open and honest about anything!
Frankly, there is nothing wrong with Amazon's approach. A better informed buyer is going to make better buying decisions.
Showstopper said:
I hesitate to wade into this because I'd buy the cheap one; keeping the Dutch oven supply chain domestic is pretty low on my priority list, but, that said, I think Lodge makes cast iron Dutch ovens, and I thought they made all their stuff in the US (could be wrong). They tend to have pretty reasonable prices (would not be 4x).
Why would we? He lies or changes his mind every constantly. Its hard to believe there is any plan given he keeps rolling it back. All the reporting is that a couple of the opponents to how they rolled out the tariffs were able to convince Trump that he needed to put the 90 day pause in place when they could get him alone (i.e. Narvarro out of the room).Funky Winkerbean said:Watermelon Man said:LOL!MouthBQ98 said:
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If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest...
Like the Trump admin is going to be open and honest about anything!
Frankly, there is nothing wrong with Amazon's approach. A better informed buyer is going to make better buying decisions.
You wouldn't believe him if he called you directly. Everything he's intending with the tariffs has been covered and discussed for weeks.
Not good, not bad, a negotiating tool.torrid said:
I thought tariffs were good.
Well, if your poorly planned and executed policies create negative news, maybe you should re-think your policies. Or, if you're that committed to it, STFU and ride it out, but don't get all pissed off when people search for ways to determine just how much this lame-brained idea is going to dent their wallets.texagbeliever said:MouthBQ98 said:
I have no problem with this. This is a very easily quantified adder and pointing it out is reasonable. We do the same with sales taxes. If the a Trump admin wants to go the tariff route then they should be open and honest about what it is and what they believe the costs and benefits are.
Eyeroll.
The goal isn't to educate and inform it is to create negative news for Trump and hurt the perception of his policies.
MouthBQ98 said:
Except apparently they didn't actually do it, and even if they did, in my view that is the Trump admin's problem to deal with. They need to sell the benefits they claim to the public counter to the costs and economic impact if they believe in it, not try to bully business into concealing it from the consumer to their political benefit. If it is the better policy, they should be claiming it and selling it, not whining when people point it out.
I voted for Trump, but I think this tariff war was poorly conceived, planned, and executed and he needs to own it if he wants to continue it, for better or worse.
