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The Executive can tell the Legislature how to do their constitutionally mandated duty?

NO.

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At a secure location, run by a dept under control of the Executive branch?

Abso-****ing-lutely

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I saw ICE agent manhandling a public representative, not the other way around.

Public reps can visit an ICE facility at any time -- they are not beholden to an 'advance notice' requirement. Surprise is the point.

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No. Members of congress can, not their staff, nor protestors, nor the local mayor, nor the media. All were in tow. Further, members of congress have to work through the process and procedure which includes checking in, being escorted through the secure area, and being searched. They then have to be escorted at all times in the facility.

That's not what happened and you know it. Your people showed with the protestors and purposely caused a chaotic situation to incite a confrontation with ICE. And dumbass mayor, who had no right to enter the facility, trespassed and was arrested as he should have been. Why could they simply not act like professionals, if not simply adults, and wait patiently for ICE to work through the process and take them for their tour? Why do dems always have to throw public fits and cause chaos?

By the way, no charges have been filed on the dem reps. Yet.

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The Executive can tell the Legislature how to do their constitutionally mandated duty?

NO.

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If a DHS (executive branch) process is the issue, why not raise that via legislation or administratively/in hearings?

Members of Congress cannot break the law in the name of “oversight.” All members and staff need to comply with facility rules, procedures, and instructions from ICE personnel on site.

ICE facility visitation guidelines for Congressional members and staff: https://t.co/jUCZ7rI4at pic.twitter.com/E8HFLcrEKT

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) May 11, 2025

I really don't want to make this a J6 comparison, but the safety of officers is clearly an issue, as DHS has indicated.

Procedures have to be followed, that's just how the government works. Opposition to the procedures can and should be lodged/filed/litigated etc. separately from violence as here.

This stunt by sanctuary politicians puts the safety of our law enforcement agents and detainees at risk.

Attacks and demonization of our brave law enforcement is wrong. ICE officers are now facing a 413% increase in assaults.@TriciaOhio pic.twitter.com/Tnw4xpqCC1

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) May 12, 2025

This is what political masochism looks like, y'all. One bad take after another, repeatedly schooled and proven wrong, then comes back for more.

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Why do you falsely believe that everyone at an ICE facility are dangerous people?

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Because most of them were already arrested for committing crimes, many of them violent.

Why are you going so hard on defending these people? For some insane reason, your side has decided to that standing with rapists, murderers, drug dealers/runners, and gang members is the way to go.

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Shhhh. Let them keep championing drug dealing, human trafficking, wife-beating, little girl raping, murderous gang bangers. The optics are OUTSTANDING!!! If anything they need go harder defending them.

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I've heard the same thing from lifelong Democrats. I've had one of my closest lifelong Republican friends start criticizing the administration for it's immigration policy, and I never saw it coming, saying "This is not what I voted for."

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Why do you falsely believe that everyone at an ICE facility are dangerous people?

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Because most of them were already arrested for committing crimes, many of them violent.

Why are you going so hard on defending these people? For some insane reason, your side has decided to that standing with rapists, murderers, drug dealers/runners, and gang members is the way to go.

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Shhhh. Let them keep championing drug dealing, human trafficking, wife-beating, little girl raping, murderous gang bangers. The optics are OUTSTANDING!!! If anything they need go harder defending them.

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I've heard the same thing from lifelong Democrats. I've had one of my closest lifelong Republican friends start criticizing the administration for it's immigration policy, and I never saw it coming, saying "This is not what I voted for."

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Then your friend isn't a Republican. Only liberals want to keep illegals in this country.

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Why do you falsely believe that everyone at an ICE facility are dangerous people?

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Because most of them were already arrested for committing crimes, many of them violent.

Why are you going so hard on defending these people? For some insane reason, your side has decided to that standing with rapists, murderers, drug dealers/runners, and gang members is the way to go.

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Shhhh. Let them keep championing drug dealing, human trafficking, wife-beating, little girl raping, murderous gang bangers. The optics are OUTSTANDING!!! If anything they need go harder defending them.

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I've heard the same thing from lifelong Democrats. I've had one of my closest lifelong Republican friends start criticizing the administration for it's immigration policy, and I never saw it coming, saying "This is not what I voted for."

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Your friend sounds like one of the few that still consume legacy media. By all means, this really is a winning issue for Dems, I hope this is their platform for the '26 mid-terms. "We vow to turn as many states to sanctuary status as possible to protect these poor innocent immigrants from that fascist Trump!"

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Why do you falsely believe that everyone at an ICE facility are dangerous people?

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Because most of them were already arrested for committing crimes, many of them violent.

Why are you going so hard on defending these people? For some insane reason, your side has decided to that standing with rapists, murderers, drug dealers/runners, and gang members is the way to go.

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Shhhh. Let them keep championing drug dealing, human trafficking, wife-beating, little girl raping, murderous gang bangers. The optics are OUTSTANDING!!! If anything they need go harder defending them.

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I've heard the same thing from lifelong Democrats. I've had one of my closest lifelong Republican friends start criticizing the administration for it's immigration policy, and I never saw it coming, saying "This is not what I voted for."

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Why do you falsely believe that everyone at an ICE facility are dangerous people?

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Who gives a damn if they're dangerous or not? They are here ILLEGALLY and they need to be removed. This is exactly what I voted for.

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Why do you falsely believe that everyone at an ICE facility are dangerous people?

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Per ICE, the detainees at this facility are 75% convicted felons already and/or have current felony charges against them. The balance are believed to be gang members.

So using your logic, when your dem heroes get their tour they only have to be 75% as cautious they'll be in danger and 25% hopeful the others are really kind hearted gang member still dreaming of becoming astronauts.

Again, who cares?

Here illegally? Gone. Period.

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Again, who cares?

Here illegally? Gone. Period.

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It really is that simple.

Unfortunately, liberals are doing everything they can to trick people into thinking that we can't deport non-violent illegals. How so many people fall for it is beyond me. I have no idea why the average "normie" liberal wants these illegals here taking up housing and tax dollars.

Rachel Campos Duffy proves this was just a theatrical (and violent) confrontation by team Democrats: same facility.

Rachel Campos Duffy Tours NJ ICE Facility - Site of Friday's Congressional Melee
🔹Phones Available with consulate phone numbers
🔹Detainees can request to self-deport with free flight & $1000 cash payout
🔹Facility is clean, has recreation options pic.twitter.com/aDCVL9Pf2g

— DogeWatchReport (@DogeWatchReport) May 12, 2025

Muh, oversight. LOL.

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But what were they trying to reveal? A hideous dungeon where ICE agents abused and tortured detainees? A rat-infested, inhumane operation stuffed to the gills with starving prisoners?

They would have been disappointed, as Fox News correspondent Rachel Campos-Duffy revealed on Monday when she aired a segment from that very same facility. She did something before arriving that those Democrats weren't smart enough to think of: she made an appointment.
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What she found was not all that dastardly after all:

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"I came over to the ICE detention facility. I received the tour Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,a representative out of New York, is going to receive a few hours from now," Campos-Duffy told "Fox and Friends" co-hosts Ainsley Earhardt, Lawrence Jones and Brian Kilmeade. "This is what I saw: ICE has nothing to hide. They have nothing to be ashamed of. This facility is so clean. It has, you know, all kind of recreation facilities, outdoor soccer field, weight equipment, domino tables. It has telephones everywhere with signs next to them of how they can, phone numbers to reach their consulate and also legal facilities, computer web cams."

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They're here illegally. Take the L and move on.

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"According to court records, only 1.17% of FY 2025 new cases sought deportation orders based on any alleged criminal activity of the immigrant, apart from possible illegal entry."

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/eoir.html#eoir_crimactivity

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ILLEGAL is still illegal.

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Again, who cares?

Here illegally? Gone. Period.

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It really is that simple.

Unfortunately, liberals are doing everything they can to trick people into thinking that we can't deport non-violent illegals. How so many people fall for it is beyond me. I have no idea why the average "normie" liberal wants these illegals here taking up housing and tax dollars.

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If they're here illegally, they are by definition lawbreakers.

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"According to court records, only 1.17% of FY 2025 new cases sought deportation orders based on any alleged criminal activity of the immigrant, apart from possible illegal entry."

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/eoir.html#eoir_crimactivity

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They gotta go back. If you want to sponsor a third world leach back in their homeland do it on your on dime.

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I have no idea why the average "normie" liberal wants these illegals here taking up housing and tax dollars.

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My thoughts on the average liberal - despite their disbelief in God, and religion in general - they are the product of a Christian culture which has subsequently become therapized resulting in nonjudgmentalism and empathy being the highest regard and any kind of punishment/consequences is equated with cruelty.

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Awful lot of words to say "wuss".

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I have no idea why the average "normie" liberal wants these illegals here taking up housing and tax dollars.

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My thoughts on the average liberal - despite their disbelief in God, and religion in general - they are the product of a Christian culture which has subsequently become therapized resulting in nonjudgmentalism and empathy being the highest regard and any kind of punishment/consequences is equated with cruelty.

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One thing is certain, a liberal will ALWAYS find a way to be a victim. It's a mental disorder.

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The Reps were engaged in something called "oversight," which is part of their job functions.

I'm sorry you failed high school civics.

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Bahahaha I guess that gives them a right to assault officers and force their way in to a federal facility?

No it doesn't. Congrats on taking the moron road on this one

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Bosses are not subject to their subordinates demands. HTHs.

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The Dems have taught us though that nobody is above the law.

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That's not law.

24-hour advance notice just allows people to hide stuff. Nobody should take the requirement of advance notice seriously unless you are a partisan hack that doesn't care about people's constitutional rights and the constitutional duty of congress to provide oversight.

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Sounds like you're mixing up the role of congressional oversight and the function of the IG. Not surprised you have trouble grasping this though.

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Bosses are not subject to their subordinates demands. HTHs.

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The Dems have taught us though that nobody is above the law.

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That's not law.

24-hour advance notice just allows people to hide stuff. Nobody should take the requirement of advance notice seriously unless you are a partisan hack that doesn't care about people's constitutional rights and the constitutional duty of congress to provide oversight.

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Oh please. That facility is not Auschwitz.

It holds hardened criminals under high security. You don't just allow people to walk in because they want to.

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ICE detainment is considered civil detention, meaning it's not meant to be a punishment for a crime but rather to ensure individuals' presence for immigration proceedings or removal from the United States.

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You are mistaken. Very mistaken.

And you continuing to bat 0.000 is fun to watch.