There are also three really nasty enemies that we (and they face)

1. The Globalist elite - New World order - New Age movement - Secret societies - Gates, Soros, the WEF, the UN, Big Pharma's, Big Ag, MIC, etc. - the Club Rome - Covid, Climate and Alien Scams. - Communism, Socialist. - Humanism anti God/antichrist. Aka the seven headed ten horn Beast of Rev 17, that will eventually destroy the 'harlot babylon' and burn it with fire.

2. Radical Islamic or Hindu or any other religions that justify killing, raping and stealing in the name of their God.

3. False Christ - Christian religions that promote peace at any cost - this would include the ecumenical Jesuit backed church of Rome - and hedonism -- the harlot Babylon.

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Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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But you'll listen to Ted misquoting and misrepresenting religious scripture to get involved in a war? You know who also does **** like that? The mullahs...

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A LOT of Christians interpret the scripture in that manner, unfortunately. Like we have some eternal holy duty or obligation to ally with or protect a country full of Christ-deniers.

That is not the basis for which we should be advocating for destroying Iran's nuclear program.

Bibi has been saying Iran is 3-5 years away from developing a nuclear weapon for 33 years. That's not hyperbole either.

It is a rarity that I read a 9 page f16 thread and end up hitting a bunch of likes for atmag and teslag.

Strange days.

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Bibi has been saying Iran is 3-5 years away from developing a nuclear weapon for 33 years. That's not hyperbole either.

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Any country that seriously wants nukes is 3 to 5 years away. All they need is facilities and the material.

Cruz came off as a kid who didn't read the book and tried to give an oral report.

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Cruz came off as a kid who didn't read the book and tried to give an oral report.

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And Tucker came off as a kid asking for multiplication tables in a spelling bee

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BlackGold said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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But you'll listen to Ted misquoting and misrepresenting religious scripture to get involved in a war? You know who also does **** like that? The mullahs...

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A LOT of Christians interpret the scripture in that manner, unfortunately. Like we have some eternal holy duty or obligation to ally with or protect a country full of Christ-deniers.

That is not the basis for which we should be advocating for destroying Iran's nuclear program.

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Agree that it isn't required for supporting them in this situation vs Iran, but Israel has been at odds with God throughout the Bible, but God always kept his promise to them. He's always used them as the example of God's nature when it comes to humans.

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Im Gipper said:

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Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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But you'll listen to Ted misquoting and misrepresenting religious scripture to get involved in a war? You know who also does **** like that? The mullahs...

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A LOT of Christians interpret the scripture in that manner, unfortunately. Like we have some eternal holy duty or obligation to ally with or protect a country full of Christ-deniers.

That is not the basis for which we should be advocating for destroying Iran's nuclear program.

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I just think most humans, or maybe it just Americans, have no real guiding principles any more, except self-preservation.

Edit: also totally agree.

Then maybe we should just preemptively strike any country that doesn't have one yet that at times has expressed interest in developing a nuke. Add Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Egypt…

I'm being facetious, and at the end of the day support Israel's right to defend itself and I understand their concern, but I really don't feel like it's ALWAYS the United States' duty to get militarily involved in every conflict…including this one. I truly don't think Iran is stupid enough to nuke the US

It's easier just to make sure they don't have one. And it's fairly easy to dismantle those programs through air power.

And I'm perfectly fine pre-emptively taking out nuclear facilities of certain nations once they begin to ramp up efforts, especially when trying to highly enrich uranium. That activity only serves one purpose.

Nothing would surprise me, but the Tucker/Qatar thing seems like a lazy smear job. You have to admit, it's pretty funny to see this trotted out in defense of a senator that has taken millions from the Israel lobby.

Deleted a post about @TuckerCarlson because his interview with Qatar got reported in a FARA registration and in several outlets yesterday.

After examining the document for myself, Tucker did not receive Qatar money. My apologies for repeating this.

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) June 19, 2025

Preventing Hitler isn't an exact science. How do you prevent the worst when it hasn't happened yet? Even Hitler wasn't Hitler... until he was.

Im just saying there are good reasons to be preventative, but it's not easy to tell when that is. So far Iran is the closest of any we've seen as being a definite yes, but that still isn't 100%. We will never be totally sure they were going to use them against us, but that isn't possible until it's already happened.

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Look at what Bibi did to Gaza... He literally destroyed every single thing - hospitals, schools, infrastructure, all the kids, etc. Its just concrete and rebar now. I get there were tunnels, but it's hard to look at pictures of Gaza and not feel like a terrible person. And Israel is launching missiles into Tehran, so I think it is fair play in war for Iran to lob missiles back into Tel-Aviv... it is war. Israel also has military and government installations under civilian infrastructure so its tough to complain if those areas are being hit.. Wish none of it was happening.

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I realize it is easy to say "I get there were tunnels", and then discount the fact that said tunnels are practically everywhere under Gaza. It has been well documented that Hamas has diverted massive amounts of aid and money to build essentially a second layer of Gaza - all with the express intent of the destruction if Israel. Not defensive in nature, but offensive. In other words, Gaza is literally like nowhere else in the world - a complete military infrastructure hidden underneath the urban areas with the intent of using the urban areas as a shield.

Again, I've yet to see tons of footage of Israeli missiles in Tehran itself, other than specific residences of nuclear scientists of high level ranking officials. Tehran is sending it's missiles indicriminately into urban areas. Not remotely the same.

And as for Israel itself, I'm not buying the tunnel equivocation. Iran in a face-saving move has already stated an "oops" and that the intent of that particular missile was a "nearby" military facility. But the reality is that Iran is just launching missiles into urban areas with zero precision.

I like Tucker. Even when I don't agree with him I appreciate differing views.

But Tucker's opinion and mine carry the same penalty. We can be wrong and it doesn't matter.

I can be against taking any action in Iran and feel "above It all"...but if I were the one making the call and believed an Iranian nuke was imminent, I'd be far more likely to take the smaller risk to prevent the big risk.

Here is where I would differ from those decision makers of the recent past. I wouldn't be taking half measures. I'd be criticized as a war monger anyway, so I'd unleash our military for quick, decisive, and full objectives to be met. And I would have clearly defined objectives.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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BlackGold said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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But you'll listen to Ted misquoting and misrepresenting religious scripture to get involved in a war? You know who also does **** like that? The mullahs...

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A LOT of Christians interpret the scripture in that manner, unfortunately. Like we have some eternal holy duty or obligation to ally with or protect a country full of Christ-deniers.

That is not the basis for which we should be advocating for destroying Iran's nuclear program.

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Agree that it isn't required for supporting them in this situation vs Iran, but Israel has been at odds with God throughout the Bible, but God always kept his promise to them. He's always used them as the example of God's nature when it comes to humans.

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When was the last time he did this? Several thousand years ago? There is no way to him but through Christ, and they reject him. Bibi probably thinks Jesus was stupid, a fraud. That we are all fools, nuts. Like most Jews do.

A lot of us just see Israel as a better ally than the Islamic savages.

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Preventing Hitler isn't an exact science. How do you prevent the worst when it hasn't happened yet? Even Hitler wasn't Hitler... until he was.

Im just saying there are good reasons to be preventative, but it's not easy to tell when that is. So far Iran is the closest of any we've seen as being a definite yes, but that still isn't 100%. We will never be totally sure they were going to use them against us, but that isn't possible until it's already happened.

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I get what you're saying. But when you think about it on more of a micro level, how can we ever be sure any individual who has the potential to do something bad will/won't do it? Will we just implement a Palantir pre-crime algorithm and arrest anyone that could be perceived as a threat? I don't like that idea either, but I also don't pretend to know the answer of how to always prevent the worst from happening. The line is eventually drawn somewhere

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— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) June 18, 2025

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Preventing Hitler isn't an exact science. How do you prevent the worst when it hasn't happened yet? Even Hitler wasn't Hitler... until he was.

Im just saying there are good reasons to be preventative, but it's not easy to tell when that is. So far Iran is the closest of any we've seen as being a definite yes, but that still isn't 100%. We will never be totally sure they were going to use them against us, but that isn't possible until it's already happened.

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I get what you're saying. But when you think about it on more of a micro level, how can we ever be sure any individual who has the potential to do something bad will/won't do it? Will we just implement a Palantir pre-crime algorithm and arrest anyone that could be perceived as a threat? I don't like that idea either, but I also don't pretend to know the answer of how to always prevent the worst from happening. The line is eventually drawn somewhere

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When someone makes threats and insinuations about violence and you see them buying guns and all the things to make a bomb, you don't wait until they put it all together and start driving to somewhere heavily populated. You raid their house.

In both of the instances mentioned, the lesson is a lot less about prevention than it is accountability. Hitler and Iran both pushed the envelope because too many people were afraid to hold them accountable for breaking a lot of agreements, and they knew it. Hitler rearmed and started annexing territory. Iran kept trying to develop a bomb and openly sponsored multiple terrorist groups. Both should have been handled with a heavier hand at the outset, but instead they got kid gloves and spun out of control.

This is embarrassing for a US Senator.

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This is embarrassing for a US Senator.

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It's an awesome meme. And Cruz gets it.

It's not. Equating bombing another country to some stupid Disney movie where everyone dies on the Death Star is childish at best.

Ok, thanks for the response. But man I just really don't want the US to be the one to always hold whatever foreign nation accountable for everything. Why do all our other allies get to sit back and stay neutral on these issues if they are so critical?

I just know it's inevitable that American military personnel and probably civilians will lose their lives over getting further involved in this and I wish somehow we could avoid it

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It's not. Equating bombing another country to some stupid Disney movie where everyone dies on the Death Star is childish at best.

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He's highlighting at how it was a stupid irrelevant question

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Ok, thanks for the response. But man I just really don't want the US to be the one to always hold whatever foreign nation accountable for everything. Why do all our other allies get to sit back and stay neutral on these issues if they are so critical?

I just know that it's inevitable that American military personnel and probably civilians will lose their lives over getting further involved in this and I wish somehow we could avoid it

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Sometimes, in fact most of the time, it just comes down to us having way better kickass weapons.

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Look at what Bibi did to Gaza... He literally destroyed every single thing - hospitals, schools, infrastructure, all the kids, etc. Its just concrete and rebar now. I get there were tunnels, but it's hard to look at pictures of Gaza and not feel like a terrible person. And Israel is launching missiles into Tehran, so I think it is fair play in war for Iran to lob missiles back into Tel-Aviv... it is war. Israel also has military and government installations under civilian infrastructure so its tough to complain if those areas are being hit.. Wish none of it was happening.

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The idiots of Gaza destroyed Gaza.

Karma sucks.

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It's not. Equating bombing another country to some stupid Disney movie where everyone dies on the Death Star is childish at best.

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He's highlighting at how it was a stupid irrelevant question

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Bull crap. Cruz made a career of cross examining people. He finally got a taste of his own BS and he couldn't hack it.

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It's not. Equating bombing another country to some stupid Disney movie where everyone dies on the Death Star is childish at best.

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He's highlighting at how it was a stupid irrelevant question

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Bull crap. Cruz made a career of cross examining people. He finally got a taste of his own BS and he couldn't hack it.

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Cruz made a career out of asking pertinent relevant questions.

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It's not. Equating bombing another country to some stupid Disney movie where everyone dies on the Death Star is childish at best.

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He's highlighting at how it was a stupid irrelevant question

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Bull crap. Cruz made a career of cross examining people. He finally got a taste of his own BS and he couldn't hack it.

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Cruz made a career out of asking pertinent relevant questions.

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Well, I believe asking whether his politics are influenced by the the State of Israeli lobby are pertinent and relevant. I also think asking him why we have 100s of billions to send around the world, but we are falling apart at home is pertinent and relevant.

Safe, free and effective!

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It's not. Equating bombing another country to some stupid Disney movie where everyone dies on the Death Star is childish at best.

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He's highlighting at how it was a stupid irrelevant question

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Bull crap. Cruz made a career of cross examining people. He finally got a taste of his own BS and he couldn't hack it.

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Cruz made a career out of asking pertinent relevant questions.

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Well, I believe asking whether his politics are influenced by the the State of Israeli lobby are pertinent and relevant. I also think asking him why we have 100s of billions to send around the world, but we are falling apart at home is pertinent and relevant.

Safe, free and effective!

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You aren't allowed to ask those kinds of questions. We have no responsibility and can't afford to provide kids free to them breakfast or lunch at school because it's their parents responsibility to feed them, however we are absolutely supposed to defend Israel and Ukraine because it's our responsibility to defend them……somehow.

🚨 NOW: Tucker Carlson’s pro-Iranian regime ambush of Ted Cruz is being promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood-linked group CAIR National. pic.twitter.com/yN7ALNjnsq

— Awesome Jew (@Awesome_Jew_) June 20, 2025

When you find yourself on the same side as CAIR, perhaps it's time to step back and reassess your postition.

🚨 JUST IN: Israel plans to take out the Iranian Fordow nuclear facility themselves if Trump decides to stay out - N12 pic.twitter.com/4QxzlEu4Zn

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) June 20, 2025

If this is a possibility why are we even involved?

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Bibi has been saying Iran is 3-5 years away from developing a nuclear weapon for 33 years. That's not hyperbole either.

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post the video evidence

of Bibi Netanyahu in 1992 (when he was simply a Member of the Israeli Parliament) stating that Iran was 3 years away from having a nuclear bomb.