Cruz on Tucker (Iran)

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I'm sure Cruz knew enough about the ethnic background to have an informed opinion but the clip doesn't really show that. Tucker was being an ass - coming from a past Tucker fanboy.

Cruz is not a dummy; this is an objective truth.

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suburban cowboy said:

His demeanor was arrogant, but Tucker is right.

An American Senator lobbying to bomb a country and he doesn't know their population or ethnic breakdown.
Iran is a slightly more complex scenario than "Mullahs bad, let's crank up the war machine"

Tucker is also right about spying. We should not allow any foreign nation to spy on us, regardless if they're an ally.

Tucker's model country Russia spies on us all the time.
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Tucker has outed himself. He's either corrupt or a total lunatic.
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I'll vote for Cruz for as long as he runs for office, pretty much any office. Not sure I'd vote for Carlson for anything- in a primary, anyway. Cruz is one of the top 5 Senators in Washington, and runs circles around our other Texas senator.

I REALLY don't care how many Iranians there are, or the age demographics, or the ethnic makeup of the population. The population of Iran doesn't run anything. I'm pretty sure Cruz knows a lot more about the leadership of Iran, the only people that matter, than Carlson does. The number of Kurdish speakers means nothing- the mindset of Khamenei and the IRGC means everything. I bet Carlson knows that too, but the gotcha that dem media loves is a game he plays, too..
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If you're going to topple a country you should understand what the fallout is going to be to make sure it's worth toppling. We've toppled so many dictators in the Middle East and what always fills the void is an even worse group of bloodthirsty terrorists. Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad, the list goes on and on.
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Teslag said:

I used to love Tucker but the guy is nuttier than a fruitcake now. I think the Fox fallout completely wrecked him as a person. And I can't really blame him for that. He was ****ed over in that deal.


The Fox fallout was just him doing whatever, saying whatever for money or stock price whether he believed his own words or not


I think hes exactly the same now. His niche moved and he followed the money
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Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.

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So why is Iran diffusing uranium 300 feet below ground?

To make 1930's fiestaware?
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Ozzy Osbourne said:

The gotcha questions were bad, but Cruz really screwed up when he said "we" were fighting Iran. If we're truly fighting this war, Iran has casus belli against the USA


100%. Population question discussion is burying the lede.
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esteban said:

Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.




Yeah that's just laughably absurd. I certainly agree Iran wants nukes but I'm surprised he was able to get that out with a straight face. And to answer your question, no, he doesn't actually believe that. He wouldn't be able to dress himself in the morning, nevertheless find his way to the Senate, if he did.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Definitely playing a stupid gotcha game. But Cruz should also know basic demographics of a country he's advocating for overthrowing.

It goes to show how desensitized we have become to such an endeavor we do it so frequently.

I think he does know the basic demographics. The game Tucker is playing, which makes me respect him far less than I have in the past, is continually cut off and interrupt Cruz. It is one thing to ask tough, pointed questions. I have no issue with that. But interrupting and attempting to put someone on the spot with stupid "how much is a loaf of bread" type question to people you damn well know either don't buy bread or couldn't care less about the cost of something that adds less than $5 to their grocery bill. This is the exact same thing.

If Tucker were being honest here, he would let Cruz answer, challenge him intellectually on the whole population thing, including an explanation of actually WHY it is important (he didn't -- at least not in this clip), and then, after Cruz answers, point out any problems. Then, give Cruz a chance to explain.

Conservatives would never tolerate this treatment -- even though we see it all the time -- of public figures from the left. There's no reason to tolerate it from Tucker. He's doing the same thing -- throwing bombs and hoping one of them goes off.
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esteban said:

Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.


Always funny when a Democrat tells us Republicans what to think about our elected officials.
Do you really think we're actually going to take your opinion under consideration?
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esteban said:

Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.


He didn't say what you asserted, so your argument is nonsensical. They are developing long range missiles. If they are successful in developing a nuke (and they may have already enriched enough uranium for making some nukes), they are a threat to reach the East Coast with a bomb in the short run, and the rest of the US in the long run. But regardless, if they get a nuke, they have leverage to prevent anyone from stopping them to do whatever they want over time.

The problem is that if we don't completely take this regime out now, and they have hidden some enriched material, they will be more dangerous than ever.
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The fact that people think Tucker Carlson is a liberal for his non interventionist policy shows that for many, their conservatism was birthed in the 80's.

They know nothing of the Paleoconservatives, the Ron Paul libertarians or Robert Taft and the America First committee.

Intervention in the affairs of Latin America and the Caribbean made sense given the proximity and stated goals of the Monroe Doctrine, but since the 80's we've backed the Shah in the Iranian Revolution, backed Saddam Hussein against the Ayatollah, peacekeeping in Lebanon, air strikes on Libya, desert storm, black hawk down in Somalia, operation infinite reach, invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq war, Al qaeda droning in Pakistan , Yemen and Somalia, air strikes against Gaddafi, the killing of Soleimani, now Hamas Israel and Israel Iran.

It never ends, and there's always a great reason to just do one more Middle East operation.
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esteban said:

Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.



So you're asserting that, at any time in the future after Iran acquires nuclear capability, that an illegal coming up through Mexico can find themselves in LA (or anywhere else), park a bomb in an abandoned building or somewhere similar, and either set it off himself or set up a timer for it to go off while he escapes?

If you are, I'd like to see something backing that up. Not necessarily some authority saying it is impossible, but your own analysis (other than just rhetoric) suggesting that. I don't know if that can be done. But neither one of us knew several hijacked airliners were going to kill 3K people on 9/11.
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whytho987654 said:

Tuckers right. You should know the details about your adversary


Maybe he knows some of the more important details rather than whether the current population of Iran is 60 or 80 milllion.
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Tucker has succumbed to the idiocy he used to fight against weekly with Pat Buchanan.
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For a conservative who isn't exactly sure where to land yet on this entire situation, characters like Tucker and Dave Smith sure don't help the side they're arguing for.
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whytho987654 said:

Tuckers right. You should know the details about your adversary
Not trivial details...Who gives a **** about how many of them there are
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Bunk Moreland said:

For a conservative who isn't exactly sure where to land yet on this entire situation, characters like Tucker and Dave Smith sure don't help the side they're arguing for.
Ever since he left the WWE, as the British Bulldog, he's gone downhill.
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4 said:

I think we're missing the real issue here.

Ted Cruz's "beard".

That weak stuff has got to go


No, it hides more of his face.
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Tucker is a disgrace.
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I'm Gipper
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Im Gipper
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I'm Gipper
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Population of Iran is irrelevant, Israel is destroying their military, the US has no need nor desire to blanket bomb Iran.

We just need to deliver one certain 30k# bomb at certain coordinates. The folks in there are probably already dead, Ayatollah is a walking dead man if we want him to be...the majority of the population certainly does. He'll fly off to Uzbekistan or some place such place maybe join the Uyghurs, I'm sure the Chinese would be wonderful guest.

Iran is in for their organic regime change thanks to Israel. BTW, Iran had a substantial Jewish Diaspora and a large Armenian Diaspora in Southwest Iran, all but vanished thanks to Komeini and the IR in Persia, not to mention all the people thrown of roof tops.
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Im Gipper said:




BRICS...unicorns and fairy dust! LOL
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He's really telling his audience that BRICS is a military alliance. Thats so sad people swallow it up..
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Over/under on that fake azz smug belly laugh he does ... setting at 7...
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Teslag said:

So why is Iran diffusing uranium 300 feet below ground?

To make 1930's fiestaware?
To protect it from being bombed by Israel, I'd imagine.

Tell me, how is our intelligence network advanced enough for you to know those specific details about their uranium enrichment but not advanced enough to detect the final assembly, testing, or deployment of actual nuclear weapons? It's a silly talking point.
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esteban said:

Teslag said:

So why is Iran diffusing uranium 300 feet below ground?

To make 1930's fiestaware?
To protect it from being bombed by Israel, I'd imagine.

Tell me, how is our intelligence network advanced enough for you to know those specific details about their uranium enrichment but not advanced enough to detect the final assembly, testing, or deployment of actual nuclear weapons? It's a silly talking point.


I've heard this track from several people... "They aren't developing a nuclear weapon, and they only are to defend themselves from Israel"
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91AggieLawyer said:

esteban said:

Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.



So you're asserting that, at any time in the future after Iran acquires nuclear capability, that an illegal coming up through Mexico can find themselves in LA (or anywhere else), park a bomb in an abandoned building or somewhere similar, and either set it off himself or set up a timer for it to go off while he escapes?

If you are, I'd like to see something backing that up. Not necessarily some authority saying it is impossible, but your own analysis (other than just rhetoric) suggesting that. I don't know if that can be done. But neither one of us knew several hijacked airliners were going to kill 3K people on 9/11.
I don't dispute that risk. What I'm asserting is that there is no way Iran could develop a nuclear weapon and deploy it without us knowing. The testing alone would be impossible to hide with present day surveillance tech.

I also don't buy the theory that they would develop a nuclear weapon only to secretly deploy it and set it off in a US city just to commit collective suicide. They want it for the same reason Pakistan did, as a deterrent.
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esteban said:

91AggieLawyer said:

esteban said:

Apologies to those who support him, but if he actually believes this he's not very smart. The idea that Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil before we even knew they had developed one is completely absurd. The propaganda about Iraq in 2003 was 10x more convincing than this.



So you're asserting that, at any time in the future after Iran acquires nuclear capability, that an illegal coming up through Mexico can find themselves in LA (or anywhere else), park a bomb in an abandoned building or somewhere similar, and either set it off himself or set up a timer for it to go off while he escapes?

If you are, I'd like to see something backing that up. Not necessarily some authority saying it is impossible, but your own analysis (other than just rhetoric) suggesting that. I don't know if that can be done. But neither one of us knew several hijacked airliners were going to kill 3K people on 9/11.
I don't dispute that risk. What I'm asserting is that there is no way Iran could develop a nuclear weapon and deploy it without us knowing. The testing alone would be impossible to hide with present day surveillance tech.

I also don't buy the theory that they would develop a nuclear weapon only to secretly deploy it and set it off in a US city just to commit collective suicide. They want it for the same reason Pakistan did, as a deterrent.


Your assertion would make sense if they didn't include multiple terrorist entities as part of their "foreign relations" strategy. Maybe you're right, but most likely you aren't. The risk analysis is bad for them in particular. You'd have more of a leg to stand on if it weren't for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, all undisputed Iranian proxies
 
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