Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

And another of the usual suspects makes the same bs claims. Worst genocide attempt ever.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

That's not genocide. If Israel wanted real genocide the only palestinians on this earth would be in people's memories.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

What has happened to the population of Gaza since the beginning of the war? Now, define genocide.

Israel conducts some of the most targeted warfare in the history of the world and takes measures that nobody else takes to protect civilians. This is the most ignorant take of all time.

Teslag said:

---

Jet White said:

---

Israel is absolutely at war with Iran. Feel however you feel about what our level of direct or indirect support should be, they are at war.

---

Of course Israel is. We weren't. And if our actions are limited to dropping a few bunker busters or air strikes for support facilities that's not exactly being drug into "war".

---

.

Dropping bombs on Iran is warring with Iran, literally. Just because the perceived scope/intent is more specific in nature or there is a competitive asymmetry doesn't change the fact that it's still war.

We would be in direct conflict with Iran, even if for a short period. That's war. We can absolutely argue the merits of it, but let's at least just be able to say that.

Jet White said:

---

Teslag said:

---

Jet White said:

---

Israel is absolutely at war with Iran. Feel however you feel about what our level of direct or indirect support should be, they are at war.

---

Of course Israel is. We weren't. And if our actions are limited to dropping a few bunker busters or air strikes for support facilities that's not exactly being drug into "war".

---

.

Dropping bombs on Iran is warring with Iran, literally. Just because the perceived scope/intent is more specific in nature or there is a competitive asymmetry doesn't change the fact that it's still war.

We would be in direct conflict with Iran, even if for a short period. That's war. We can absolutely argue the merits of it, but let's at least just be able to say that.

---

Was it "war" when we literally killed one of their generals with an air strike?

Keep your eyes wide shut to protect your cognitive dissonance.

Quote:

---

Uh Israel seems to have a disproportionate amount of control over our country and is currently dragging us into another Middle East war. Are those reasons adequate?

---

Well this is simply not true. Let me ask you a question. How did Gaza and the West Bank come into being in first place?

Who forced it, I can assure you it was not Israel who wanted to ceded that land over to the Palestinians.

The whole 'two state' solution was a fail from the beginning, You have never had the Palestinians or the Iranian or Islamic Jihadist ever accept the existence of Israel as a political state, EVER.

I am not a flag waiving Israel supporter, But I also know the history and anyone trying to compare Israel as a nation state to the Jihadist is just plain deceived!

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Keep your eyes wide shut to protect your cognitive dissonance.

---

You can genocide concrete structures? Who knew!

Kvetch said:

---

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

What has happened to the population of Gaza since the beginning of the war? Now, define genocide.

Israel conducts some of the most targeted warfare in the history of the world and takes measures that nobody else takes to protect civilians. This is the most ignorant take of all time.

---

You're incorrect.

Yes. That was a tactical strike on Iranian leadership, carried out in Iraq.

War doesn't require constant kinetic action. Wars have different cadences, tactics, and scope.

Getting involved with direct bombing in Iran would just be a very clear escalation of a war that has been going on. Again, an escalation that you could very well argue may be warranted.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Kvetch said:

---

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

What has happened to the population of Gaza since the beginning of the war? Now, define genocide.

Israel conducts some of the most targeted warfare in the history of the world and takes measures that nobody else takes to protect civilians. This is the most ignorant take of all time.

---

You're incorrect.

---

No, I'm not. Even if you accept the Hamas padded stats on deaths, it's not a genocide. You either don't know what that word means, or you have an ulterior motive.

Videos of buildings being destroyed doesn't bolster your case. In fact, it makes it more impressive that Israel hasn't killed 10x more civilians give how much their infrastructure was infested with Hamas. They literally store rockets in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals to create the propaganda you're spreading now.

You're a part of the problem. The Palestinians have nobody to blame for their situation other than their terrorist selves.

Jet White said:

---

Yes. That was a tactical strike on Iranian leadership, carried out in Iraq.

Just because there isn't actively constant kinetic action, that doesn't mean we are not at "war" with someone. Obviously.

Getting involved with a direct bombing now would just be a very clear escalation of a war that has been going on.

War doesn't require constant kinetic action. Remember that whole "Cold War" thing?. Wars have different cadences, tactics, and scope.

---

So when did that war end with Iran?

Kvetch said:

---

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Kvetch said:

---

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

What has happened to the population of Gaza since the beginning of the war? Now, define genocide.

Israel conducts some of the most targeted warfare in the history of the world and takes measures that nobody else takes to protect civilians. This is the most ignorant take of all time.

---

You're incorrect.

---

No, I'm not. Even if you accept the Hamas padded stats on deaths, it's not a genocide. You either don't know what that word means, or you have an ulterior motive.

Videos of buildings being destroyed doesn't bolster your case. In fact, it makes it more impressive that Israel hasn't killed 10x more civilians give how much their infrastructure was infested with Hamas. They literally store rockets in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals to create the propaganda you're spreading now.

You're a part of the problem. The Palestinians have nobody to blame for their situation other than their terrorist selves.

---

By his point we were also engaged in genocide against the Germans (Dresden and Berlin) and Japan (Nagasaki and Hiroshima)

Teslag said:

---

Jet White said:

---

Yes. That was a tactical strike on Iranian leadership, carried out in Iraq.

Just because there isn't actively constant kinetic action, that doesn't mean we are not at "war" with someone. Obviously.

Getting involved with a direct bombing now would just be a very clear escalation of a war that has been going on.

War doesn't require constant kinetic action. Remember that whole "Cold War" thing?. Wars have different cadences, tactics, and scope.

---

So when did that war end with Iran?

---

It hasn't. It also hasn't been near at a level of direct air strikes on strategic assets. Again, may very well be warranted.

Are we playing a silly game where we pretend we don't understand that there are escalation levels in warfare? I mean we can play cute games I guess, would much rather discuss it has adults.

Us bombing sites in Iran would be a significant escalation, period. Either of an existing war or the start of a new one depending on your definition of the word. But undeniably war nonetheless. And one that you can absolutely make a case for.

This is a firm example of how we got to our current timeline. The media's ability to convince people of a giving narrative hook line and sinker.

Now we have have competing platforms carrying out the same tactics. Everyone should periodically clean out their feeds. We are all under attack from people trying to control our worldview on the platforms. At least now we have the choice to block people.

This conflict has been raging for a long time. It is a fact that the Palestinians do not and have never wanted peace. Their platform is we want it all or die trying. What you are seeing is not the systemic killing of a people. It's Israel saying "was it worth it".

The Middle East does not run on western values. Looking at it from a screen while sipping a latte is naive at best. There are in the land of an eye for an eye.

It's only horrifying from our view because we have a different cultural value system.

Soon 🤙🏻 pic.twitter.com/qXC1aR4KJA

— 🖤 (@spacein87578620) June 21, 2025

So if by your definition we are already at war with Iran how do we get drug into war with Iran?

Teslag said:

---

So if by your definition we are already at war with Iran how do we get drug into war with Iran?

---

Ah, I see the confusion now. Because of your binary thought process, you must have assumed that because I was insisting on calling a war, a war, must mean that I have some ulterior underlying motive to defend Iran, more precisely their government. That this would be some sort of "got ya". Because in your world, one must logically lead to the other, inexplicably. When in the nuanced world of reality, that doesn't logically follow at all.

The ongoing war is absolutely the primarily the fault of the Iranians. Well, the government of Iran at least. The current escalation can be debated in good faith, but the underlying decades long situation of having leadership that has made it entirely clear that they would prefer Israel not exist is absolutely their fault, as is their funding of terrorist groups. It's incredibly unfortunate because Iran actually has a significant portion of its population that is more cosmopolitan/moderate than you would likely think. If only their leaders weren't zealots.

None of that changes the fact that it would be war. The idea that you don't grasp that is…. Puzzling.

Isreal has a literal blockade that prevents the movement of people and supplies. Palestinians cannot leave the Gaza Strip making Isreal's bombing tough for those in Gaza. You would think the Palestinians would expel all of Hamas.

Jet White said:

---

Teslag said:

---

So if by your definition we are already at war with Iran how do we get drug into war with Iran?

---

Ah, I see the confusion now. Because of your binary thought process, you must have assumed that because I was insisting on calling a war, a war, must mean that I have some ulterior underlying motive to defend Iran, more precisely their government. That this would be some sort of "got ya". Because in your world, one must logically lead to the other, inexplicably. When in the nuanced world of reality, that doesn't logically follow at all.

The ongoing war is absolutely the primarily the fault of the Iranians. Well, the government of Iran at least. The current escalation can be debated in good faith, but the underlying decades long situation of having leadership that has made it entirely clear that they would prefer Israel not exist is absolutely their fault, as is their funding of terrorist groups. It's incredibly unfortunate because Iran actually has a significant portion of its population that is more cosmopolitan/moderate than you would likely think. If only their leaders weren't zealots.

None of that changes the fact that it would be war. The idea that you don't grasp that is…. Puzzling.

---

No, I'm just calling out ridiculous hyperbole

Yep. Referring to bombing another country's military/government assets as war is ridiculous hyperbole. Reasoned analysis, per usual.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

If they are then they truly suck at genocide.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. You can agree or disagree with it but that's what they are doing. They are leveling entire cities man women and child.

---

You either don't know what genocide is or you are just flat out lying. Given your history of defending Iran the past week, I think I know which it is.

Jet White said:

---

Yep. Referring to bombing another country's military/government assets as war is ridiculous hyperbole. Reasoned analysis, per usual.

---

Agreed

Looks like enormous amounts of dead buildings and destroyed infrastructure. The Gazans are too stupid to fight back and keep from being human shields. They keep willfully acquiring the Darwin award.

But since you posted it would appear that 6 million died but it's only been about 50,000 or 60,000 Gazans dead. <--probably inflated.

But usual weak sauce claim otherwise.

Thanks for showing it was a s***hole before and after.

I haven't once defended Iran. I've said multiple times they still need to be held responsible the IEDs in Iraq.

There's a tremendous amount of diverse groups who agree a genocide is underway in Gaza. Maybe the ego chamber on here is out of touch. Just maybe though.

https://theconversation.com/the-debate-over-genocide-claims-in-relation-to-gaza-intensifies-257847

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

I haven't once defended Iran. I've said multiple times they still need to be held responsible the IEDs in Iraq.

---

Do you didn't argue Iran has never been out of compliance with the deals?


Similar to your "I don't listen to Tucker Carlson" claim.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

I haven't once defended Iran. I've said multiple times they still need to be held responsible the IEDs in Iraq.

There's a tremendous amount of diverse groups who agree a genocide is underway in Gaza. Maybe the ego chamber on here is out of touch. Just maybe though.

https://theconversation.com/the-debate-over-genocide-claims-in-relation-to-gaza-intensifies-257847

---

They're wrong.

Occam's Razor.

If Israel wanted to commit genocide, it would be obvious to all, not just a grouping of dumbasses.

No I didn't argue that. It was mentioned in an article someone posted and I quoted the article. I have no idea if the article was right or wrong but I was highlighting what the article said.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

No I didn't argue that. It was mentioned in an article someone posted and I quoted the article. I have no idea if the article was right or wrong but I was highlighting what the article said.

---

What is your definition of genocide?

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

Keep your eyes wide shut to protect your cognitive dissonance.

---

Wow. Hamas and the Gaza citizens that support Hamas sure made a Huge mistake when they murdered all of the innocent Israelis on Oct 7.
Strangely, they continue the same mistake today by not releasing all of their Israeli hostages.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

No I didn't argue that. It was mentioned in an article someone posted and I quoted the article. I have no idea if the article was right or wrong but I was highlighting what the article said.

---

It's fine to disagree with Israel's actions in Gaza. You do you.

But calling it a genocide is outright lying. Words have meaning. You can even call it an atrocity if ya want. That's arguable. Genocide is not. Israel goes to incredible lengths to ensure to not harm innocents. Do mistakes happen? Yes. Will a few troops play fast and loose? Also, yes. But as a macro stance, Israel is fighting an EXTREMELY dirty war as cleanly as humanly possible. And honestly, doing a pretty damn good job of it as well. You have no idea the near impossibility of fighting an active insurgency cleanly.

Oxford lays it plainly:

Quote:

---

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

---

Israel is not committing genocide. Period.

Quote:

---

Kill all in Gaza. Idgaf.

---

Couldn't help but think of this