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Tucker spends all of his time pushing propaganda on behalf of the worst regimes in the world (Islamic Republic, Qatar, Russia, Assad, China etc). When confronted with how those anti-American countries behave, he plays defense by suggesting that you can't judge them because everyone does bad things. This is an old left-wing tactic to defend evil.

But at the same time, Tucker spends plenty of time making moral judgements against Israel, Europe, Ukraine, and the US for where those countries fall short. He has a different standard for a reason.

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This is such an instructive clip. Tucker spends all of his time pushing propaganda on behalf of the worst regimes in the world (Islamic Republic, Qatar, Russia, Assad, China etc). When confronted with how those anti-American countries behave, he plays defense by suggesting that… https://t.co/V7Ea06u092

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 19, 2025

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Old McDonald said:

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it's so very american that the thing that fractured the america first movement

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Candace Owens and Tucker are not "America First." They're not even united. They are Candace First and Tucker First.

Nice try.

I get that the left is completely united behind guys showering in teenaged girls' lockerrooms, crossdressing in the Army, allowing invaders to overrun the country, and against Americans' constitutional rights. We are not like you.

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America First is and always has been about non-interventionism. From the beginning in 2015 and even before, it was a direct continuation of paleo conservatism.

It's only when everyone else joined because the left went insane is when the definition tried to be changed.

I don't care about the Middle East, at all. Pakistan got nukes and clearly that hasn't been an issue. Let them do whatever they want. Unless they start attacking us directly it's not our problem.

Additionally, I know no one wants to hear it here but the Middle Eastern youth is rapidly westernizing. English is spreading like wildfire there to the point where the elite is, for all intents and purposes, fluent. I don't know if this is a good thing or not but liberalism is oneshotting the Middle East. Islam is not proving to be a defense against it like Christianity.

A lot of their birthrates are well below replacement, including Iran so all we have to do is wait.

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Im Gipper said:

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No one is triggered by your posted tweets Ben.

You are a better poster than to post dumb stuff like this. You at Happy hour?

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Is that so? Before I could even finish posting the handful of tweets I felt contributed to the conversation, my notifications turned blue with almost immediate pushback. I call that triggered. I couldn't even finish posting what I had in mind.

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People not agreeing with you doesn't mean they are "Triggered" Ben. Were you triggered when you responded to my post?

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Yall want to go fight another war in the Middle East.

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As Joe Wilson says "You lie!"

I have no desire to go fight another war in the Middle East. Very few posters here do.

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Well, the generation you sent last time seems overwhelmingly in the Tucker camp, and our current crop of cannon fodder deeply distrusts the government due to wokeism and war of terror fallout.

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I'm GenX. It was lots of people in my generation that got sent over there. I know people that died and were injured in the Gulf War, Afghanistan and Iraq.

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So, why don't you explain to me coherently how America has the people or the will to fight a war with Iran when Mexico is raping us daily?

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As Ronald Reagan says "There you go again."

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I'll hang up and listen.

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Honestly, if you would just read what people are posting rather than trying to find cool memes calling other NPC that disagree with you, you might learn something!

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You nake a great point about the generational stuff.

It's also ironic LA is burning from foreigners and they fly foreign countries flag over the city but we have to go enter into another ME war half way across the globe without congress voting on it.

We should probably clean house first but that's just me.

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The moralists on TexAgs are totally fine with sending Americans to die in far flung deserts and be replaced by Mexicans and central/south Americans.

Sure would love to go to Arlington and tell my great uncle he fought in the pacific for the rights of mexicans, central and South Americans, to come take over the country.

How many promising young men and women have to die in foreign deserts for you people to wake up and clean house as Yukon put it?

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So first he doesn't even know the scripture he is using as his guiding geopolitical principle.

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This part of the conversation was possibly the most infuriating to me.

Almost the only people that have talked about sending in troops are the non-interventionists. It’s a fantasy they made up to be able to spend time killing strawmen because their actual position is otherwise indefensible.

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 19, 2025

Ted Cruz does not even know the basic facts about Iran that can be found on a Wikipedia page. Warmongering senators like him know little to nothing about the foreign countries they regularly destroy and manipulate. @ggreenwald on Tucker's revealing interview with Sen. Cruz: pic.twitter.com/SdRtjp7ovq

— System Update (@SystemUpdate_) June 19, 2025

This is why it is important to know who you are trying to war with...

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Almost the only people that have talked about sending in troops are the non-interventionists. It’s a fantasy they made up to be able to spend time killing strawmen because their actual position is otherwise indefensible.

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It is wild. Such a talking point, yet only from one side.

Lots of TDS involved.

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Almost the only people that have talked about sending in troops are the non-interventionists. It's a fantasy they made up to be able to spend time killing strawmen because their actual position is otherwise indefensible.

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SO TRUE!!


It would be nice if people here would stop with the "you want troops on the ground!! My son is not dying in Tehran!! RREEEE" stuff. (On the other side, many need to stop the "you just don't like Jews" bit. While many out there on X definitely fall into that category, I don't think many F16 do)

Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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Can we just rename this thread "argue against things no one is proposing"?

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ie. confirmation bias in hypotheticals

MODS, make it happen

I was triggered actually lol. Jk. Well, reasonable minds will disagree about this and that's fine.

This!!

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So no, you won't see expanded bombing campaigns. Every bomb will be purposefully designated so as not to destroy Iran's infrastructure, but just their ability to wage war and create nukes.

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This whole campaign has been brilliantly done.

Iran has been the center point of all that is evil in the Middle East since, ISIS and Bin Laden and radical Sunni Islamic took it in the ear. (Trump)

I am tempted to write a book on this whole subject. It's complex but basically boils down to this.

Radical Islamic Jihadism that was ginned up in both the Sunni and Shia worlds after WWII has been the real cause of all the wickedness we have seen not only in that area but in a large part of the world.

Islam is straight up evil. Is the root of almost all slavery and gross immorality and destruction of any human rights. It is a totally false religion and totally misrepresents The real God Most High. It is, I believe the "one kingdom that was yet to come of the 'seven heads' of the dragon, that John talked about in Rev 17 when describing the 10 horned, seven headed beast the Harlot rides on.

When you have culture that is virtually a death cult that says you get blessed for killing "Infidels" and get doubly blessed if you die in that effort. You are going to have some major issues with living with them peaceably. You cannot live peacefully with anyone who says, "Submit to us, convert or we kill, tax or enslave you and God wills it so."

you cannot negotiate with these type, You can not negotiate with an Adolf Hitler. or a Mohammed, or a Mao, those who truly are demonically possessed but believe they are chosen by God (their god) to either dominate, subjugate or kill anyone who does not bow to their authority or belief. They don't negotiate, they just seek to buy time if they are in a weak spot. This is historically proven over and over again.

The radically Sunni's were broken, MBS had a big role to play there with US help (especially from Trump)

Radical Shia fundamentalism is now taking their beating and it is good thing, They must be finished off. PERIOD.

Now the real question is what's next. The key is not letting a vacuum get filled by the next wave of radical Islamic - or any other radical religious - fundamentalist.

And that is what I see happening in Iran. Break the power of the clerics. target the IRGC -- the military arm of the fundamentalist - We need a secular government replacement, No religious government, break the power of the hardline clerics, (like MBS did in SA and Khalifa did in the UAE) kill the radical ones, that call for Jihad or death to Israel or the US or death to anyone.

And that is what I see happening, Trump knows this, MBS and the Gulf States knows, this, Netanyahu knows.
this.

It's all being coordinated. There are differing dangers that will come out of this, for sure, But for now radical Islam, militant Islam whether of the Sunni or Shai variety MUST BE SMASHED and that is all they know!

If they want to be martyrs, well help them out!

That is what we have in Iran now. But not for long, It will be taken out, the question is what's next.

We will not get in any protracted land fight in Iran, totally unnecessary.

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Almost the only people that have talked about sending in troops are the non-interventionists. It’s a fantasy they made up to be able to spend time killing strawmen because their actual position is otherwise indefensible.

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 19, 2025

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Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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But you'll listen to Ted misquoting and misrepresenting religious scripture to get involved in a war? You know who also does **** like that? The mullahs...

My support of Trump ensuring Iran does not get nukes has nothing to do with Cruz's religious beliefs. I listen to Ted Cruz because he is a great man that wants the best for this country. I don't agree with what he says as his source for wanting to act here, but I still listen to moral intelligent people because they add valuable perspective.


Why should any conservative person care what sick degenerates think about world issues? (Or any issue for that matter).

So far I'm 40 minutes in, and, knowing where this is ultimately headed, it's pretty easy to see that Tucker is chomping at the bit to set traps for Cruz, and Cruz is still approaching this as a 'friendly' interview.

Many of Tucker's postitions already don't make sense, though. He's trying to hang AIPAC around Cruz's neck, but his rationale - that they should be registered as foreign agents - is ludicrous. He refuses to acknowledge that a PAC can support a strong US/Israel alliance without being beholden to Israel. Yet he provides no other evidence than "well, they must be talking to Israel" as the foundation for his argument.

But if that is the case, then just about every PAC or NCO that advocates for anything that benefits any other conuntry, such as immigration, or should also register as foreign agents.

He then starts in on trying to tie Cruz down on the fact that Israel - as well as every other friendly nation - would (gasp) spy on us. Tucker seems much less concerned about hostile nations infiltrating our country, but would rather focus on the fact that Mossad may have someone on US soil. Again, a rationale that doesn't really go anywhere other than trying to corner Cruz.

As pointed out above, Tucker is really doing nothing BUT play the moral relativism game.

So far, Cruz is more than holding his own.

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Candace Owens and Tucker are not "America First." They're not even united. They are Candace First and Tucker First.

Nice try.

I get that the left is completely united behind guys showering in teenaged girls' lockerrooms, crossdressing in the Army, allowing invaders to overrun the country, and against Americans' constitutional rights. We are not like you.

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America First is and always has been about non-interventionism. From the beginning in 2015 and even before, it was a direct continuation of paleo conservatism.

It's only when everyone else joined because the left went insane is when the definition tried to be changed.

I don't care about the Middle East, at all. Pakistan got nukes and clearly that hasn't been an issue. Let them do whatever they want. Unless they start attacking us directly it's not our problem.

Additionally, I know no one wants to hear it here but the Middle Eastern youth is rapidly westernizing. English is spreading like wildfire there to the point where the elite is, for all intents and purposes, fluent. I don't know if this is a good thing or not but liberalism is oneshotting the Middle East. Islam is not proving to be a defense against it like Christianity.

A lot of their birthrates are well below replacement, including Iran so all we have to do is wait.

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Couple of things.

1) Pakistan is not in the Middle East
2) You are pretending that there aren't countries in the Middle East who are actively attacking the US. Iran and their proxy's have been attacking the US and Israel for a long time.

It's reasonable to question if attacking Iran is worth the risk and expense but pretending Iran is a peaceful western leaning country makes you seem clueless.

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Greenwald? Yeah, not listening to that deviant. Sorry!

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But you'll listen to Ted misquoting and misrepresenting religious scripture to get involved in a war? You know who also does **** like that? The mullahs...

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Anyone who knows me, knows that I am radical totally dedicated follower of Jesus Christ.

And I will say straight up I get into all kinds of trouble with my 'brothers' over this subject.

I know that Israel is evil, I know that all countries are evil. I am under no delusions.

I lived 9 years in the Middle East, I know it well. Though I am a supporter of Israel in this fight, I am not one of those Israel flag wavers claiming them to be God' chosen people over all others. This is just not biblical in my opinion.

So I agree with you that Ted is waving that fundamentalist pro Israel means pro God, against Israel means against God. I don't agree with that. God is for God and is for what is right and true and His love and acceptance of a preson HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR ETHNICITY AT ALL> This is clear in scripture from Paul, a JEW OF JEWS.

Still, having said that. That does not mean that Ted is wrong in his support of Israel in THIS PARTICULAR situation.

Israel is in the right here. I haven't seen Israel even come out speaking 'death to all our enemies", "Death to the Jihadist" nor are they seeking to force they way onto other countries or people groups.

Ultimately on the scale of nations, Israel would be 'good'. They are like other nations, seeking for their own well being and in their case. They must to survive. I know of no other nation that has litreally had a multitude of nations want their total demise!

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My support of Trump ensuring Iran does not get nukes has nothing to do with Cruz's religious beliefs. I listen to Ted Cruz because he is a great man that wants the best for this country. I don't agree with what he says as his source for wanting to act here, but I still listen to moral intelligent people because they add valuable perspective.


Why should any conservative person care what sick degenerates think about world issues? (Or any issue for that matter).

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A great man who clearly peddles politics and views he doesn't truly believe when it suits him (probably when he's getting paid)... I'm with you and I support Trump and don't want Iran to get nukes, but they don't have nukes and Israel preemptively striking Iran and then telling us we need to join is total bs. I don't want us involved in Israel's war. Period.

Then why do you take the word of someone like Bibi? Guy is as corrupt as they come and has killed more people than Glen Greenwald ever will. Its funny to me you're drawing your line in the sand here, over who you can and can't trust.

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Ted Cruz is making geopolitical decisions based on bad theology that he can't even quote correctly.

Genesis 12:13 (ESV): Now the Lord said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

This is in regards to Abraham and not Israel.

So first he doesn't even know the scripture he is using as his guiding geopolitical principle.

Second his misquote of it he says is a COMMAND by God to the modern church to support a specific political nation.

Third if one was to take the conclusion this is talking about Abraham's offspring of which the Israelites would be included you would also have to include the offspring from Hagar and Esau. So we would be bound to treat the Arabs in the same manner as the Israelites. Which we don't.

Another issue. Let's say you ignore the other offspring and just stick to Israel. Well that group of people are the Hebrews. Which Jews (judeans) only make up 1/6 (two tribes Judah and Benjamin) of the Hebrews. Which oddly enough it's likely many Iranians are mixed with Hebrews from the time Israel (the ten tribes) were exiled in Syria and Persia.

But wait there's more. The New Testament in Romans speak that being the heirs of the promise of Abraham isn't based on genetics but faith. And so if that's true you cannot attribute any command of servitude or support to a political nation by Christians.

Hebrews 11:16 (ESV): 16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

And here in Hebrews it's clear the promises aren't about national man made political state called Israel.

It's wild to have such a terrible terrible take on a scripture as a guiding principle for geopolitics.

I also am pro Israel and think we should support them but for geopolitical reasons.

US involvement in this war should be based on US interests not scripture taken out of context and misquoted.

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You're also relying on interpretation to decide it is "misinterpretation". God never said he was done with Israel.

We don't support Israel because we think they are the modern People of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, the Chosen of God. We know that with the new Covenant, all who have believe that Christ is the Son of God who died for their sins and are saved are now the Chosen people of Christ, of God.

We support Israel because as a political nation, they are our ally, and it is right and strategic to do so, just as it is right to do so with the UK, France, Japan, etc.

The modern evangelicals who think the current nation state of Israel is the chosen people of Israel as referred to in Scripture have their scripture exegesis all wrong.

I don't care if Israel wants to go to war with Iran. That's their prerogative at the end of the day. They are a sovereign nation. I am against us going to war with Iran in Israel's name.

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I am against us going to war with Iran in Israel's name.

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Then you step in luck! Because we aren't!

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I am against us going to war with Iran in Israel's name.

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Then you step in luck! Because we aren't!

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You must be living in fantasy land

I live in the Real World.

Simple yes or no please: Is it important to American national security that Iran not get nukes?

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I don't care if Israel wants to go to war with Iran. That's their prerogative at the end of the day. They are a sovereign nation. I am against us going to war with Iran in Israel's name.

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The problem is that Iran sees us as one and the same with Israel, Well they see us like all other non Islamic fundamental countries as Infidels who need to either be killed, taxed or enslaved and forcibly converted.

This is Islam PERIOD. So though you can call this Israel's war, it' our as well.

So when we entered into WWI and WWII the main premise of doing so ultimately came down to this.

It's better to fight them on someone else's territory then it is our own.

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My support of Trump ensuring Iran does not get nukes has nothing to do with Cruz's religious beliefs. I listen to Ted Cruz because he is a great man that wants the best for this country. I don't agree with what he says as his source for wanting to act here, but I still listen to moral intelligent people because they add valuable perspective.


Why should any conservative person care what sick degenerates think about world issues? (Or any issue for that matter).

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A great man who clearly peddles politics and views he doesn't truly believe when it suits him (probably when he's getting paid)... I'm with you and I support Trump and don't want Iran to get nukes, but they don't have nukes and Israel preemptively striking Iran and then telling us we need to join is total bs. I don't want us involved in Israel's war. Period.

Then why do you take the word of someone like Bibi? Guy is as corrupt as they come and has killed more people than Glen Greenwald ever will. Its funny to me you're drawing your line in the sand here, over who you can and can't trust.

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I woke up this morning and turned on the news. First thing I saw was the hospital in South Israel that had been hit by a missle. Second thing was 3-4 residential buildings in another urban part of Israel that has been hit by another missle.

Then they showed footage in Iran. It was striking the difference. Planes being destroyed. Helicopters being destroyed. Footage of bomb strikes in rural, unpopulated areas (where the nuclear development sites are).

So I disagree with your statement that Bibi is "as corrupt as they come". There's a definite difference in tactics in THIS conflict, and those who choose to, can see it.

When Laura Loomer calls out Tucker and she actually makes sense, you know Tucker has gone completely off the rails.

Going further, I am emotionally in agreement with you This is the stance I took with the Ukraine/Russia scam war (that really a civil war by the way) and I was adamant that not one American set of boots should be deployed into the war, PERIOD. Still feel that.

This one whoever is different, The enemy here Radical Shia Fundamentalist Islam is not like Putin or Russia.

These are homicidal maniacs who actually want to die as martyr. They are demonically delusional. Really,

They are Jihadist, Religious fanatics. There is only one way to deal with them TAKE THEM OUT, entirely.

Now we will not have to do that. We may have to take out their nukes though and I am all for that as is the entire region.

Fundamentalist Islam of any variety must be crushed,

They will launch terror attack, fund and radicalize our kids. They will use our 'freedom of religion' and freedom of speech to defend thier end game, - death to America. And they feel justified and righteous in their pursuit of that because, that is Islam.

I don't think Bibi is any more corrupt then any other nation leader. Bibi is pro Israel. And will do whatever he thinks is necessary to endure the survival of his nation.

World politics is a very dirty game.

In my opinion there are six on this planet that are very good it and are in critical positions to have a huge impact on where the world goes in the next generation.

They are

Trump, Putin, Xi, MBS, Modi and Bibi.