That's kind of my point. What discussions have there been about what our role will be after the fact? We really don't know what the high level of government is thinking or planning. Are they going to take refugees? Are we going to send in Halliburton? Does it become Syria 2.0 with a decade of bombings?

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My extremely skeptical side thinks Tucker is essentially a plant. His removal from Fox was fake to get "street cred" amongst onliners. I see him as the successor to Alex jones. An online agent provocateur if you will. He likely works on behest some three letter agency. He did go to the cia school and didn't quite make the cut. Shortly thereafter gets a lucrative media gig. I'm skeptical of him.

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Totally reasonable to be skeptical of him.

People should be equally skeptical of Cruz, our government, the Iranian government, the Israeli government, etc.

I think it is odd that more people on here seem to be more concerned with Tucker's line of questioning than Cruz's response implying that we are currently engaged in an undeclared war. I think he should have known how many people are in Iran, but the point where he said, "we are carrying our military strikes today" and then immediately attempting to walk it back after Tucker called him on it was troublesome to me.

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Oh please - everyone knew what Cruz meant except those that want that to be a "gotcha" answer. We are helping Israel with intelligence for them to carry out their objectives - but we aren't the ones doing the bombing.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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That's kind of my point. What discussions have there been about what our role will be after the fact? We really don't know what the high level of government is thinking or planning. Are they going to take refugees? Are we going to send in Halliburton? Does it become Syria 2.0 with a decade of bombings?

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More fear mongering. We will do none of those things.

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If we try to go in and establish democracy or put boots on the ground them I'm out.

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What if we try to establish Tesla stores or a supercharger network?

Aha! What then, sir!?

What
Then.

!?!?

Yukon Cornelius said:

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That's kind of my point. What discussions have there been about what our role will be after the fact? We really don't know what the high level of government is thinking or planning. Are they going to take refugees? Are we going to send in Halliburton? Does it become Syria 2.0 with a decade of bombings?

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There is no role after. Trump has stated, the goal is removing nuclear capabilities. If the Iranians want a regime change, the Persians need to rise up and do it.

It's not fear mongering. Its just being thoughtful of what's next.

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Kvetch said:

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Oh quit playing the victim, it is not antisemitic to question the motives a group that prioritizes the interests of Israel over Americans. If there was an IAPAC lobby in Israel, they'd be right to question its motives as well.

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They are explicit about their motives. People like you are the ones that make up dumb **** about their scope of influence in an attempt to bolster your disdain for Israel and the Jews.

The fact that you probably couldn't name a single other interest group says it all about your motives, whether you're conscious of it or not.

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Ad Hominem is not an argument, calm down. It is not antisemitic to question the motives of a lobby that prioritizes the interests of another country over America. You can't call me a racist anti semite and expect me to go along with another disastrous foreign war.

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What have I said that's not accurate? Do you not have a general disdain for Israel? Are you not implying that AIPAC is some subversive organization with ulterior motives?

You can hand wave it all you want, but the "just asking questions" crowd does nothing but peddle antisemitism. You can ask Candace Owen's about that one.

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"You are peddling antisemitism by asking questions and you have a disdain for Israel"

Except I never said anything anti semitic, nor anything anti- Israel, I just think we should be wary of an organization that prioritizes the interests of another country. Painting me as an anti semite is as stupid as the libs who say "all republicans are racist and therefore we shouldnt talk to them".

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His demeanor was arrogant, but Tucker is right.

An American Senator lobbying to bomb a country and he doesn't know their population or ethnic breakdown.
Iran is a slightly more complex scenario than "Mullahs bad, let's crank up the war machine"

Tucker is also right about spying. We should not allow any foreign nation to spy on us, regardless if they're an ally.

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I disagree that it matters whether Ted knows if there are 60MM people in Iran or 80MM...or whether Persians make up 50% of the population or 65%. He knew that the largest ethnic block was Persians.

Also, maybe he had a rough idea of these breakdowns, but Tucker just completely freaked out and wouldn't let him speak. Remember, Tucker looked all of this stuff before. If Ted Cruz was close, but off by 5-10MM, Tucker would have gotten giddy at the chance to berate him...and Cruz also wants to be precise and not just give close estimates.

I like Tucker in general, always have. But I kind of wonder if maybe he abused too many heavy psychedelics back in his youth as a rich trustafarian hedonist going to Grateful Dead shows. He is getting pretty nutty on some things. i.e. he thinks there are aliens visiting us but that they are spiritual beings from Heaven.

This was an unprofessional ambush imo. He is very against us getting involved in ME shenanigans, I get it, but he should still treat those who might believe in dropping a few bunker busters to end nuclear capabilities with some level of dignity and respect.

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That's kind of my point. What discussions have there been about what our role will be after the fact? We really don't know what the high level of government is thinking or planning. Are they going to take refugees? Are we going to send in Halliburton? Does it become Syria 2.0 with a decade of bombings?

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There is no role after. Trump has stated, the goal is removing nuclear capabilities. If the Iranians want a regime change, the Persians need to rise up and do it.

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What if we allocate the most arid, inhospitable region of about 10 square miles and call it PALESTINE, so the Palestinians finally have a 'country' all to themselves!! Plus, it's far enough away from Israel, Jordan, Egypt, & Lebanon: ALL of these countries despise the Palestinian people (& for good reason IMHO))!!!

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It's not fear mongering. Its just being thoughtful of what's next.

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That's for the Iranians to decide. Our only dictation is that it is done without a nuclear weapons program.

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suburban cowboy said:

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His demeanor was arrogant, but Tucker is right.

An American Senator lobbying to bomb a country and he doesn't know their population or ethnic breakdown.
Iran is a slightly more complex scenario than "Mullahs bad, let's crank up the war machine"

Tucker is also right about spying. We should not allow any foreign nation to spy on us, regardless if they're an ally.

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I disagree that it matters whether Ted knows if there are 60MM people in Iran or 80MM...or whether Persians make up 50% of the population or 65%. He knew that the largest ethnic block was Persians.

Also, maybe he had a rough idea of these breakdowns, but Tucker just completely freaked out and wouldn't let him speak. Remember, Tucker looked all of this stuff before. If Ted Cruz was close, but off by 5-10MM, Tucker would have gotten giddy at the chance to berate him...and Cruz also wants to be precise and not just give close estimates.

I like Tucker in general, always have. But I kind of wonder if maybe he abused too many heavy psychedelics back in his youth as a rich trustafarian hedonist going to Grateful Dead shows. He is getting pretty nutty on some things. i.e. he thinks there are aliens visiting us but that they are spiritual beings from Heaven.

This was an unprofessional ambush imo. He is very against us getting involved in ME shenanigans, I get it, but he should still treat those who might believe in dropping a few bunker busters to end nuclear capabilities with some level of dignity and respect.

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If he did that he wouldn't get the traffic. Its really as simple as that. People are getting played by his MSM tactics to get hits, that's it. Some people like getting played by the media though because they can't critically think for themselves....even so called "conservatives".

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Candace Owens is another one that was very much Pro-war in Iraq, voted for Trump, but is now like "WTF" because like many conservatives they are realizing this is not what they voted for.

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given this is the exact stance Trump has always had on Iran, anyone that is "WTF" is their own fault.

owens has changed her tune because she hates the jews. there is no denying that at this point.

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She got a screw loose. She needs to get psychiatric help and be more present in her childrens' lives. They deserve it and will be bette roff for it. Her husband is worth like $200mm, so I can only assume her ego comes first and foremost.

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4th of July is coming up, I'm sure there is a BOGO!

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Why is it so difficult for you to debate in good faith and respond to direct questions with direct answers?

Not a huge Tucker fan but at least since being independent he justifiably calls out the fed government when they need to be called out.

Cruz looking like a fool per usual.

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I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war. Tucker pointing that out would seem like a rallying call to conservatives. Especially because Cruz is a clown.

It's not MAGA without the military industrial complex though so it's on course. "We can't fix the domestic issues so let's go another 10 trillion in debt in the name of oil interests. "

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That's rich considering how much the MIC made off of Biden's Ukrainian GIFTS (not loans) of military equipment from the MIC's inventory that was paid-for by the US tax payer!

Having differing opinions is fine, & in fact, it's VITAL for a Democratic Republic; however, being obtuse & pulling crap out of your ass to demonize MAGA/ Conservatives by accusing them of doing EXACTLY what your party did for YEARS is intellectual dishonesty, gaslighting troll bait, or plain stupidity.

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Kvetch said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Kvetch said:

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Oh quit playing the victim, it is not antisemitic to question the motives a group that prioritizes the interests of Israel over Americans. If there was an IAPAC lobby in Israel, they'd be right to question its motives as well.

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They are explicit about their motives. People like you are the ones that make up dumb **** about their scope of influence in an attempt to bolster your disdain for Israel and the Jews.

The fact that you probably couldn't name a single other interest group says it all about your motives, whether you're conscious of it or not.

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Ad Hominem is not an argument, calm down. It is not antisemitic to question the motives of a lobby that prioritizes the interests of another country over America. You can't call me a racist anti semite and expect me to go along with another disastrous foreign war.

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What have I said that's not accurate? Do you not have a general disdain for Israel? Are you not implying that AIPAC is some subversive organization with ulterior motives?

You can hand wave it all you want, but the "just asking questions" crowd does nothing but peddle antisemitism. You can ask Candace Owen's about that one.

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"You are peddling antisemitism by asking questions and you have a disdain for Israel"

Except I never said anything anti semitic, nor anything anti- Israel, I just think we should be wary of an organization that prioritizes the interests of another country. Painting me as an anti semite is as stupid as the libs who say "all republicans are racist and therefore we shouldnt talk to them".

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That's a false equivalency. I'm not saying "you're a racist because you believe in small government and individual responsibility." I'm pointing out specific claims you're making that are common retorts or people who are looking for justification for their disdain of Israel and the Jews.

The post I originally responded to was made by a poster who goes out of their way to criticize Israel and the Jews at every opportunity. You decided to white knight for him. That's on you.

You can be skeptical of any organization you want. However, your characterization of AIPAC is a common antisemitic trope that peddles in conspiracy theories akin to Jews subversively running the world through an elitist cabal and dirty money. If you don't want to be lumped into that belief system, don't align yourself with the "just asking questions" crowd of antisemites. Provide specific examples of AIPAC subverting U.S. interests.

You can't, though, because AIPAC consistently and transparently advocates for their avowed mission statement like every single interest group in the world. You are tacitly stating that AIPAC doesn't care about what is in the best interest of the U.S. Unless you have evidence that Cruz is making decisions influenced solely by their donations and is being guided by their influence, your contentions are hot garbage.

I don't have a party. I think every administration since anyone has been alive have been war criminals. We can go down the list if that makes you feel better

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4th of July is coming up, I'm sure there is a BOGO!

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Why is it so difficult for you to debate in good faith and respond to direct questions with direct answers?

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So KillerAg21 has made some other incredibly obtuse, unsubstantiated, &/or ignorant zingers elsewhere in this thread? I literally just glanced at this topic & was immediately confronted with such an outrageous claim about MAGA & the MIC that I was compelled to respond!

Then, when I went to see my comment, I came across your post; it seems we both clearly see a pattern with KillerAg21's antics & it's pathetic really!

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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His demeanor was arrogant, but Tucker is right.

An American Senator lobbying to bomb a country and he doesn't know their population or ethnic breakdown.
Iran is a slightly more complex scenario than "Mullahs bad, let's crank up the war machine"

Tucker is also right about spying. We should not allow any foreign nation to spy on us, regardless if they're an ally.

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I disagree that it matters whether Ted knows if there are 60MM people in Iran or 80MM...or whether Persians make up 50% of the population or 65%. He knew that the largest ethnic block was Persians.

Also, maybe he had a rough idea of these breakdowns, but Tucker just completely freaked out and wouldn't let him speak. Remember, Tucker looked all of this stuff before. If Ted Cruz was close, but off by 5-10MM, Tucker would have gotten giddy at the chance to berate him...and Cruz also wants to be precise and not just give close estimates.

I like Tucker in general, always have. But I kind of wonder if maybe he abused too many heavy psychedelics back in his youth as a rich trustafarian hedonist going to Grateful Dead shows. He is getting pretty nutty on some things. i.e. he thinks there are aliens visiting us but that they are spiritual beings from Heaven.

This was an unprofessional ambush imo. He is very against us getting involved in ME shenanigans, I get it, but he should still treat those who might believe in dropping a few bunker busters to end nuclear capabilities with some level of dignity and respect.

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If he did that he wouldn't get the traffic. Its really as simple as that. People are getting played by his MSM tactics to get hits, that's it. Some people like getting played by the media though because they can't critically think for themselves....even so called "conservatives".

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Yep, agreed. I had high hopes that Tucker would be better than this.

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Iran is in for their organic regime change thanks to Israel. BTW, Iran had a substantial Jewish Diaspora and a large Armenian Diaspora in Southwest Iran, all but vanished thanks to Komeini and the IR in Persia, not to mention all the people thrown of roof tops.

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Interestingly, Iran currently has the largest population of Jews in the Middle East outside of Israel. Granted, it isn't much - about 10k.

Got this from Wikipedia:
In 1979, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini met with the Jewish community upon his return from exile in Paris and issued a fatwa decreeing that the Jews were to be protected.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Iranian_Jews#cite_note-11][11][/url] Nevertheless, emigration continued. At the time of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, 60,000 Jews lived in Iran.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Iranian_Jews#cite_note-SCISelRel1986-12][12][/url] However, about 30,000 Jews left within several months of the revolution.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Iranian_Jews#cite_note-littman-2][2][/url]

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All of these politicians are out of their depth on essentially all foreign issues. They think they know because they get to see intel we don't, but that shouldn't make you an expert on the subject. Ted knows the constitution and should stay in his lane. These politicians just say what they're paid to say on just about everything, especially ranking members and the other high profile ones.

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Agreed. But will add that they're often out of their depth on most issues. The ones that talk about healthcare but have never been involved in the healthcare industry, or the ones that talk about infrastructure or engineering issues, but don't understand any of it. And of course, foreign policy. How many decades, lives, and money did we spend trying to spread "freedom and democracy" to places that simply don't understand it - only to see it all devolve.

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I have Persian Jews as clients here in the DC area...lots of Persians around here, rivals LA by a mile.

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it's so very american that the thing that fractured the america first movement

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Candace Owens and Tucker are not "America First." They're not even united. They are Candace First and Tucker First.

Nice try.

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tucker and owens have always been self-serving blowhards, but it's pure gaslighting to act like tucker hasn't been one of the most prominent america-first influencers of this decade. it reeks of "no true scotsman" fallacy.

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That's kind of my point. What discussions have there been about what our role will be after the fact? We really don't know what the high level of government is thinking or planning. Are they going to take refugees? Are we going to send in Halliburton? Does it become Syria 2.0 with a decade of bombings?

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There is no role after. Trump has stated, the goal is removing nuclear capabilities. If the Iranians want a regime change, the Persians need to rise up and do it.

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What if we allocate the most arid, inhospitable region of about 10 square miles and call it PALESTINE, so the Palestinians finally have a 'country' all to themselves!! Plus, it's far enough away from Israel, Jordan, Egypt, & Lebanon: ALL of these countries despise the Palestinian people (& for good reason IMHO))!!!

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You would create a cultural turf war. The original Palestinians were jews, and was a term *******ized into what it is today. That and yhe west bank are just a melting pot of exiled tribes from Egypt and Jordan, tribes which the Iranians, outside of proxy war usage, want nothing to do with.

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My extremely skeptical side thinks Tucker is essentially a plant. His removal from Fox was fake to get "street cred" amongst onliners. I see him as the successor to Alex jones. An online agent provocateur if you will. He likely works on behest some three letter agency. He did go to the cia school and didn't quite make the cut. Shortly thereafter gets a lucrative media gig. I'm skeptical of him.

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Totally reasonable to be skeptical of him.

People should be equally skeptical of Cruz, our government, the Iranian government, the Israeli government, etc.

I think it is odd that more people on here seem to be more concerned with Tucker's line of questioning than Cruz's response implying that we are currently engaged in an undeclared war. I think he should have known how many people are in Iran, but the point where he said, "we are carrying our military strikes today" and then immediately attempting to walk it back after Tucker called him on it was troublesome to me.

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Oh please - everyone knew what Cruz meant except those that want that to be a "gotcha" answer. We are helping Israel with intelligence for them to carry out their objectives - but we aren't the ones doing the bombing.

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Perhaps. I'm not taking anyone in politics or the media at face value.

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You're right about a certain group of. Christians. They always jump for more wars because they think it means the rapture is just around the corner. They will light the world aflame and get to their escape pods juuuuuust before it gets bad.

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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/18/iran-threatens-irreparable-damage-if-us-enters-israel-conflict.html

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Isreal destroyed 100% of their air defense, air force, and all military leadership in a few days.

This is the equivalent of Bagdad Bob saying they're winning while m1's and Bradleys are driving by behind him. Irans strength was ballistic missiles, which has done nothing to affect the IRG.

The full interview is live for those that are interested.

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That's kind of my point. What discussions have there been about what our role will be after the fact? We really don't know what the high level of government is thinking or planning. Are they going to take refugees? Are we going to send in Halliburton? Does it become Syria 2.0 with a decade of bombings?

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No

No

No

Syria had about 50 different ethnic groups, tribes, religions, Al Qaeda, democrats, Islamic State where everyone had weapons.

Iran is completely the opposite. there are very few weapons in Iran. other than in the hands of the regime.

There were literally criminal charges filed associated with it… https://t.co/G3j2VuyJxe pic.twitter.com/fDx5qdBrGL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 18, 2025

But Carlson says Iran didn't try to kill Trump.

I don't understand.

County A: Evil country, intel says making nukes, population 150 million.

Country B: Evil country, intel says making nukes, pop. 70 million.


What is the difference?

Cruz is laying down wisdom and Tucker through the entire interview is basically just going "I agree" then subversively trying to get in such childish points. We know what you want to say Tucker.

Dispensationalist retreads are directing our foreign policy over a 200 year old gerrymandered interpretation of a fake reference bible.

Sen. Ted Cruz tries (and fails) to use the Bible to justify his support for Israel’s bombing of Iran.

Watch the full episode today at 1PM ET on https://t.co/czOhKmdlbW. pic.twitter.com/QdUuSin3a7

— Tucker Carlson Network (@TCNetwork) June 18, 2025

Reminds me of GW Bush telling Chirac that Gog and Magog were running amok in the Middle East as the reason why the coalition of the willing had to invade.

George Bush's lies led to the deaths of over 1 million people. But he gets to paint dogs and ride into the sunset.

The population of Iran is irrelevant. Because Israel is destroying their military, the US has no need nor desire to blanket bomb Iran. The US just needs to provide some assistance and support to Israel.