Mass terror attack in Australian beach...

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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 1:00p, 12/16/25
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They're not church mouse quiet. They're actively campaigning to remind us of all the islamophobia they don't face everyday and how scared they are of the retaliation they've never faced for all of their brethren's crimes.


but Zohran Mamdani whined to us about:

"his aunt was hesitant to take the subway after 9/11 wearing a hijab"

(aunt was living in Uganda at the time)
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:36p, 12/16/25
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JFABNRGR said:

Interesting and contradicting response by police chief given the above video and the ones below this one.



The other video the couple who initially took the fight to had no weapons but courage. Earlier in this thread I commented, where were the men. Now that more vids have come out, there were some good men and women and Valhalla welcomes them.

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1:51p, 12/16/25
They could completely confiscate all guns bc 15 people were killed on a beach. Then next year a few filthy Muslim terrorists will kill 150 on the beach with these "vehicular weapons of mass destruction".

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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 10:14p, 12/16/25
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Iraq2xVeteran said:
This mass terror attack is the consequence of the Australian government allowing mass immigration. Unfortunately, liberals will never learn this lesson because they want to import future voters at all costs.
It's not quite that simple.

The reality is actually worse than that but I'm on a plane taking off from IAH so I'll try to get behind a keyboard tonight to explain.

It's complex and as Americans our situation is similar but different. And for different reasons. Australia's motivation is closer to Canada.


Well. We're waiting
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10:20p, 12/16/25
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Updates from 7 News from this morning:

The killer has is awake after being in a coma. Also, fun fact, he's now at a hospital in St. Leonards which is right next to where I used to work from 2011-2017.

The video I'm going to share is just disappointing with the way they talk about how long it's going to take for the Australian Federal Police to charge him. I don't get it at all. They have to go through the evidence before they can charge him. Like - multiple murders on film isn't enough?

On their terrorist training trip to The Philippines, the father traveled on an Indian passport. So I guess the guy isn't Pakistani? Or maybe the passport was fake, I don't know. Definitely even more questions need to be answered there.

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10:24p, 12/16/25
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Both shooters had Indian passports.
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 11:51p, 12/16/25
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Captain Pablo said:
HollywoodBQ said:
Iraq2xVeteran said:
This mass terror attack is the consequence of the Australian government allowing mass immigration. Unfortunately, liberals will never learn this lesson because they want to import future voters at all costs.

It's not quite that simple.

The reality is actually worse than that but I'm on a plane taking off from IAH so I'll try to get behind a keyboard tonight to explain.

It's complex and as Americans our situation is similar but different. And for different reasons. Australia's motivation is closer to Canada.

Well. We're waiting

I'm back home after my 14 hour trip to Jackson, MS for 2 hours of on-site work. But hey, I had to fix up a customer before the Christmas break. Plus, I do love "getting on the tools" whenever I can.

Trying to describe the Australian immigration situation in less than 5,000 words is going to be a challenge. Maybe I should try ChatGPT or something. Anyway, here goes the HollywoodBQ summary of Australian immigration for the past 75 years or so.

First, Australia is a country the size of the Lower 48 United States. Most of the habitable areas are near the coast so it's not a direct correlation to the USA.

This is part of why I say it's more closely aligned with Canada from an immigration perspective. I think we can all agree that most of the Canadian population lives close to the US Border, leaving massive expanses of Canada very unpopulated.

For a country to grow and prosper, it needs people to explore (or exploit, if you like) the land for natural resources, it needs farmers and ranchers to feed the population and in cities, you need banking, manufacturing and other services.

Australia began in Sydney, New South Wales with convicts from the United Kingdom in 1788 after they could no longer transport those convicts (some of whom were my ancestors) to the Colony of Georgia due to the American Revolution. Later, there were German free settlers in places like South Australia.

In Australia, there is a great sense of pride if you can trace your roots back to Convicts and especially The First Fleet in 1788. Although, during the past 15 years, "Australia Day" (January 26th) has increasingly become known as "Invasion Day" and Aussies have really gone overboard with the White Guilt about the "stolen land".

To grow the economy and essentially fulfill the Australian version of Manifest Destiny, Australia needed immigration.

This next part is going to sound hilarious but you can't find anyone in Australia today who is racist. Maybe Pauline Hanson. But seriously, nobody is racist. That's the worst thing you can call an Australian.

Now... if you rolled back the clock to say 1979, Australia was probably second only to South Africa in terms of being the most racist country on the planet. So much so that their immigration policy was called "The White Australia Policy" and they were still stealing half-caste babies from their Aboriginal mothers. If any of you are adopted, or know anybody who is adopted, you'd be disappointed to know that in Australia, there essentially is no adoption because of the negative connotation associated with baby stealing and "The Stolen Generation".

I was there in 2009 when Prime Minister Kevin Rudd (Labor) said "Sorry" and apologised to the Aboriginals for the decades of baby stealing. I was even lucky enough to see "SORRY" spelled out by skywriting airplanes over Sydney.

Now that we've established the contributing factors to the worst case of White Guilt ever, let's get back to the immigration situation.

The 10 Pound Pom scheme - I don't know when it started but in the 1950s through the 1960s, there was an immigration scheme by the Australian Government to try to get more White people to move from The UK to Australia. Most famously, you've got the members of AC/DC, the BeeGees, the Easybeats and narrowly missed Ozzy Osbourne's family. The basic idea was that for the low price of 10 British Pounds, the Australian Government would provide passage to Australia, papers and settle you in a place to live in Australia. Which apparently must have been better than Scotland, Ireland, Wales, England, etc.

I don't know how long it ran for or how many people were resettled in Australia but, it was a lot. Like maybe 10% of the country came to Australia this way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Pound_Poms

Eventually they ran out of "White" people to move to Australia and they started expanding to other areas of Europe that were deemed close enough to White. Primarily Italy and Greece.

So starting in the 1960s, loads of Italians and Greeks made their way to Australia. When large waves of immigrants have come in like this, Australia has controlled where they can go. So, all of the Greeks went to Melbourne and all of the Italians went to Sydney (specifically the Northern Beaches where I lived).

Much to my surprise, even in 2008, I still saw Italians being discriminated against by my neighbors because they "weren't White". Being fresh of the boat from Los Angeles, I thought this was both ridiculous and hilarious.

As we reach the 1970s, Australia starts to take in refugees for the first time. They come from 3 major groups. Vietnamese, Lebanese and Chileans.

As before with the Brits, Scots, Irish, etc. these newcomers are settled into specific areas. In Sydney, the Vietnamese are sent to an area called Cabramatta in Western Sydney. The Chileans are sent to Bossley Park in Western Sydney and the Lebanese are sent to Sydney's Inner West.

While I'm on the ethnic designations for settlement, the area in Western Sydney where all the Filipinos were settled is called Blacktown - you know, because it's full of Black people (Filipinos).

The refugees come in limited numbers and this coincides with the end of the White Australia Policy.

The main points to takeaway at this stage, entering the 1980s is that - Everyone is Australian, there are no hyphenated Australians and there is no underclass. Everyone is in the country legally. That will change slightly in the future.

By the late 1990s and certainly into the 2000s (when I arrived), Education becomes big business and there is a massive influx of Chinese and Indian students. The running gag when I got there in 2007 was that every gas station was run by Indians on student visas (that was pretty much true).

Another factor for Australian immigration was the 1997 turnover of Hong Kong to China. Prior to the handover, a lot of wealthy "Hongkies" bailed out of Hong Kong and came to Australia.

And with the fall of apartheid in South Africa, a lot of White South Africans, especially Jews came to Australia. Just like before, the Jews from SA settled mostly into one particular community in Sydney called St. Ives. The running joke was that if you lived in St. Ives, you didn't need to tell anybody that you were Jewish because everyone there is Jewish.

Now, onto the refugees. Australia got involved with the USA in Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result, took in refugees from both countries in reasonable quantities. By no means was it "unfettered".

Also, Australia, suffering from major White Guilt started taking in refugees from war torn nations in Africa, most notably Somalia and Angola. From my perspective, the good news there is that those refugees were all settled in Melbourne. Melbourne is the woke s/hole part of Australia. Very much San Francisco.

Melbourne is also crawling with Indian students and others who have managed to come to Australia from India whether that be to work in a call centre or whatever.

But, back to the refugees. In the early-mid 2000s, there were tons of asylum seekers, real or fake, who were trying to reach Australia from Indonesia by boat. What I could never figure out is how did somebody make it from Somalia through 20 different countries before trying to sail to Australia in some rickety boat that would have to be rescued by the Australian Navy.

The obvious answer is that these so called refugees and asylum seekers were being human trafficked and were paying people smugglers to get them to Australia so they could get on the Aussie welfare scheme.

By 2013, the calls to "Stop the Boats" had reached fever pitch and the Labor party had proven to be powerless to stop the asylum seekers and Australia elected the Liberal party and Tony Abbott took over as PM (despite #metoo claims before that was a thing).

The Liberal government (the conservative party in Australia) was successful at stopping the boats and redirected them to Manus Island in Papau New Guinea. Of course there would be claims about how inhumane this was.

Basically, Australians have very big hearts and want to help out those people doing it tough, to a point. So they'll take 10,000 Somalis in, or 10,000 Afghans, or Angolans, Cambodians, etc. But it's not just wide open immigration.

There are some soft spots in the Australian Immigration system which is otherwise very strict. In Australia, deportations are common and 10 year bans for violating the laws are commonplace.

What I've seen first hand when I've been in the Immigration Office to process the paperwork for myself and my family is the softness around "Partners". And that is exactly what the father shooter exploited to stay in Australia after coming in on a Student Visa.

My experience went like this. A British girl is having an interview to decide whether she got to remain in Australia and she comes clean with the interviewing officer. She says that she did overstay her visa but now she is "In Love" and has brought in her Partner to sponsor her petition to stay in the country.

The immigration officer asks how long she has overstayed her visa. And she replies, "Aw, just about 3 1/2 years". That girls got to stay in Australia because she was "In Love" and had a Partner. Aussies are very non-committal about marriage but that's a whole different discussion. I've known guys who have had 3 kids with their Partner before deciding to get married. I don't get it.

So 1600ish words about Australian Immigration but there is no smoking gun (pardon the choice of words) about mass immigration leading directly to a mass shooting.

And in this case, the father shooter had been in country for more than 25 years. So recent Afghan, Somali, etc. refugees had nothing to do with it.

Australia does do a pretty good job overall of restricting the flow of immigrants other than the limited numbers of refugees they take in.

The problems are:
Assimilation - sticking Vietnamese, Chileans, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. out in parts of Western Sydney where regular "White Australians" never go. That's kind of a problem.
Australians don't do that much work - they'd rather go surfing, or go on holiday to Bali. So somebody has to do the work. One of the funniest meetings I recall was being in a meeting with 8 people at the table to discuss a topic that was a piece of critical Australian infrastructure. Of the 8 people, not a one of us was a native born Australian. There was me, an Irish girl, a Russian guy, a Turkish girl, a Brit, a Kiwi, a South African, and a dude from Bulgaria. It cracked me up that none of us were Aussies but... somebody had to keep the country running. So, Australia needs the immigrants.

When I arrived in 2007, there were less than 21 Million Australians. In 2025, there are almost 27 Million Australians. Annual immigration has been running in the 300,000-400,000 range. So yeah, they've brought a lot of people in but... compare that to the USA.

Since 2007, we've gone from about 301 Million to an estimated 343 Million. Think about how many potential bad apples could be in there? Especially given our porous borders. We have much bigger problems than Australia does.
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 12:13a, 12/17/25
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It looks like the son shooter had already gone ahead and the father was behind and getting the rest of the guns out of the boot.

Sir, you're back in America. It's a trunk.


Or a frunk if you're a Californian EV zealot

I was wondering if you were British because of the boot comment and you also said "in hospital"
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 12:15a, 12/17/25
Are you single?
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In reply to one safe place • 12:21a, 12/17/25
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one safe place said:
HollywoodBQ said:
CrockerAg98 said:
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It looks like the son shooter had already gone ahead and the father was behind and getting the rest of the guns out of the boot.

Sir, you're back in America. It's a trunk.


Or a frunk if you're a Californian EV zealot

I was wondering if you were British because of the boot comment and you also said "in hospital"

Well... I did grow up with a bunch of British kids in Saudi Arabia so, the Queen's English (now King's, I guess) isn't that foreign to me.

Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.

Given that I have parked in that very parking lot at Bondi before, as I was watching the bystander confront the perpetrator, it was the most fitting description.

My 7 Series BMW most definitely has a trunk (what my Army buddy from New York refers to as a 3-body trunk). But this little hatchback Aussie econobox thing that the perps were driving, that kind of car doesn't really have a "trunk", I'd say it has a boot. I'll spare you from the full rundown of the windscreen, indicators, tyres (funny story about that), the gearbox, bonnet, etc.
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In reply to AgFrogfan • 12:24a, 12/17/25
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AgFrogfan said:
Are you single?

No but... working with that Irish girl did make me understand the song "When Irish Eyes are Smiling". She had the most beautiful eyes.
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8:59a, 12/17/25
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The Philippines are going on the defensive about being characterized an ISIS training hotspot.

If you remember back to the Project Bojinka plot, that was discovered in the Philippines about 30 years ago.

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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 9:05a, 12/17/25
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they need to take more decisive action on the terror breeding enclaves in the remote parts of the islands
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 9:16a, 12/17/25
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That's a great post. Thanks

I will say, that while we have brought in higher numbers of immigrants, Australia has brought in more as a percentage of your starting point population. Ours is about 10%. Australia is about 30%, over the same time period

That's going to be a huge problem
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 9:34a, 12/17/25
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Fascinating. Thanks for posting.

So, Australia has about the same population as the USA but all condensed along the coasts. That would mean the big coastal cities are quite dense.
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YouBet said:
Fascinating. Thanks for posting.

So, Australia has about the same population as the USA but all condensed along the coasts. That would mean the big coastal cities are quite dense.

I think you misread - Australia has about the same population as Florida but the land mass is about the same as the Lower 48.

And yes the "Capital Cities" are dense. Not Tokyo dense but, much like Houston. Urban sprawl to the extreme.

The other fascinating thing is that Australian businesses have no incentive to move out of the Capital Cities. Nobody is relocating call centres or manufacturing to Newcastle or the Central Coast. Meanwhile, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide are bursting at the seams (so to speak).

The main industry in Australia is mining which is done in the Outback at fly-in / fly-out sites. Nobody lives out there.
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 10:23a, 12/17/25
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Captain Pablo said:
That's great post. Thanks

I will say, that while we have brought in higher numbers of immigrants, Australia has brought in more as a percentage of your starting point population. Ours is about 10%. Australia is about 30%, over the same time period

That's going to be a huge problem

Yes, percentage wise it is a problem.

But the real problem is that those additional 30% of new arrivals are going into Melbourne and Sydney. Pushing already high housing costs even higher.

Nobody is developing industry and housing in Goulburn or Dubbo or Bathurst.

In our terms, it would be like if all the new arrivals in Texas were forced into Houston and DFW and nobody was moving to Waco or College Station. Of course if you've been to Frisco lately, that's definitely what it looks like.
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 10:26a, 12/17/25
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For comparison, Australia has a population density of about 3.5 people per square kilometer. Canada has about 4.5 people per square kilometer, the USA has about 37 people per square kilometer, and the UK has 277 people per square kilometer.
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For comparison, Australia has a population density of about 3.5 people per square kilometer. Canada has about 4.5 people per square kilometer, the USA has about 37 people per square kilometer, and the UK has 277 people per square kilometer.

Yeah, that's why I say that Australia and their immigration is more closely aligned to Canada.

Canada will take anybody. And then they sneak across the border to the USA.

I actually served in the Army with a guy whose mom brought him from Guyana to Canada as an asylum seeker. And then, they illegally immigrated to New York and benefited from the Ronald Reagan Amnesty in 1986.
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Yeah, I did. I scanned over following and misread this as you saying this was Australia's population which should have jumped out of me because it seemed very wrong when I read it.


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Since 2007, we've gone from about 301 Million to an estimated 343 Million.

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12:38p, 12/17/25
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There was a time where australia required immigrants to have very special skill sets and or over a million dollars cash.....man have they changed.
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one safe place said:
HollywoodBQ said:
CrockerAg98 said:
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It looks like the son shooter had already gone ahead and the father was behind and getting the rest of the guns out of the boot.

Sir, you're back in America. It's a trunk.


Or a frunk if you're a Californian EV zealot

I was wondering if you were British because of the boot comment and you also said "in hospital"

Well... I did grow up with a bunch of British kids in Saudi Arabia so, the Queen's English (now King's, I guess) isn't that foreign to me.

Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.

Gotcha, and understandable. I had a friend whose girlfriend moved to England and she stayed three or four years. When she came back, her manner of speech was similar to what you are describing in your post. She even had a slight hint of a Brit accent that would come through. The Texas drawl combined with a Brit accent was some combination, lol. I still see her around town and the accent is long gone.
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:02p, 12/17/25
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There was a time where australia required immigrants to have very special skill sets and or over a million dollars cash.....man have they changed.

Legal immigration is still quite difficult for non-Commonwealth countries, outside of working holiday visas, without a company to sponsor you. Socially there is a lot of frustration about immigration numbers when there's already a cost of living crisis.

If you're over 45, permanent residency is nearly impossible without extreme wealth or a company to sponsor you. I'm 2.5 years into a 4-year company-sponsored visa and have a pretty big decision to make in the next 6 months or so, I can't renew this visa so the only alternative would be applying for permanent residency.
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bthotugigem05 said:
JFABNRGR said:
There was a time where australia required immigrants to have very special skill sets and or over a million dollars cash.....man have they changed.

Legal immigration is still quite difficult for non-Commonwealth countries, outside of working holiday visas, without a company to sponsor you. Socially there is a lot of frustration about immigration numbers when there's already a cost of living crisis.

If you're over 45, permanent residency is nearly impossible without extreme wealth or a company to sponsor you. I'm 2.5 years into a 4-year company-sponsored visa and have a pretty big decision to make in the next 6 months or so, I can't renew this visa so the only alternative would be applying for permanent residency.

But how easy is it for the haji types?
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Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.


I work for an Aussie company and their corporate Gmail accounts are configured to spellcheck everything against everything.

Does the abbreviation NHTFS bring to mind a phrase you find used among your Aussie colleagues?
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Ulysses90 said:
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Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.


I work for an Aussie company and their corporate Gmail accounts are configured to spellcheck everything against everything.

Does the abbreviation NHTFS bring to mind a phrase you find used among your Aussie colleagues?


This reminded me....I was interviewing for a job based in Canada about 3 years ago and the guy who I was to replace was American and he informed me that their corporate software had built in Canadian nanny tech. Example: if you sent an email on Sunday the email app would prompt you at Send and ask you to reconsider sending the email because it was the weekend. They didn't think it was fair to email your people over the weekend. Keep in mind this was for a job that is 24/7 - 7 days per week. There are no off hours in this job. It would also check your email before sending to confirm you weren't sending anything that sounded combative, hostile, or just not friendly. I didn't see any examples for that one.

He told me [paraphrased] "Since you are from Texas, you are going to have to change how you operate. I assume you are pretty direct and clear about your intentions and language you use if you are like other Texans I've worked with. That will not go over well here. You will need to dial your personality back and be overly nice and friendly and not rock the boat." He was from the mid-west.

I went through about 4 months of interviews for this gig and ultimately we all decided it wasn't a good fit.
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Ulysses90 said:
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Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.


I work for an Aussie company and their corporate Gmail accounts are configured to spellcheck everything against everything.

Does the abbreviation NHTFS bring to mind a phrase you find used among your Aussie colleagues?

I had to Google that one. It wasn't something I was familiar with but there are certainly a lot of "Strine" phrases that I don't ever hear anymore now that I don't work with Aussies or Irish.

I do long for the days of "Give us a Bell on the old Dog and Bone".

And just yesterday, I heard a Houston traffic report talking about rubbernecking slowing traffic on I-10 near Bingle.

Which got me to thinking about the idea that you could have a Bingle on Bingle. Or the fact that in Houston we have a road which is essentially named "automobile accident".
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They've actually cut down on that too. Go check out r/AusVisa for tales of people who are obviously not qualified for a visa whinging about being rejected.

People claiming asylum or refugee status is much harder than it is in the USA because it's much harder to sneak into Australia.
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JFABNRGR said:
bthotugigem05 said:
JFABNRGR said:
There was a time where australia required immigrants to have very special skill sets and or over a million dollars cash.....man have they changed.

Legal immigration is still quite difficult for non-Commonwealth countries, outside of working holiday visas, without a company to sponsor you. Socially there is a lot of frustration about immigration numbers when there's already a cost of living crisis.

If you're over 45, permanent residency is nearly impossible without extreme wealth or a company to sponsor you. I'm 2.5 years into a 4-year company-sponsored visa and have a pretty big decision to make in the next 6 months or so, I can't renew this visa so the only alternative would be applying for permanent residency.

But how easy is it for the haji types?

Truthfully, it's not easy unless they're part of the refugee stream I was talking about. From Somalia or Iraq or Afghanistan. But these days, even those avenues have shrunk.

One thing that none of the wokesters in Melbourne want to talk about is the fact that sexual assaults have increased in Melbourne and the perpetrators are frequently Somalis and other Africans they've brought in.

Like I described earlier, due to the geographical depositing of refugees into certain areas, that is a problem that exists in Melbourne but not in Sydney.
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In reply to YouBet • 2:05p, 12/17/25
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Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.


I work for an Aussie company and their corporate Gmail accounts are configured to spellcheck everything against everything.

Does the abbreviation NHTFS bring to mind a phrase you find used among your Aussie colleagues?


This reminded me....I was interviewing for a job based in Canada about 3 years ago and the guy who I was to replace was American and he informed me that their corporate software had built in Canadian nanny tech. Example: if you sent an email on Sunday the email app would prompt you at Send and ask you to reconsider sending the email because it was the weekend. They didn't think it was fair to email your people over the weekend. Keep in mind this was for a job that is 24/7 - 7 days per week. There are no off hours in this job. It would also check your email before sending to confirm you weren't sending anything that sounded combative, hostile, or just not friendly. I didn't see any examples for that one.

He told me [paraphrased] "Since you are from Texas, you are going to have to change how you operate. I assume you are pretty direct and clear about your intentions and language you use if you are like other Texans I've worked with. That will not go over well here. You will need to dial your personality back and be overly nice and friendly and not rock the boat." He was from the mid-west.

I went through about 4 months of interviews for this gig and ultimately we all decided it wasn't a good fit.

One of the things I struggled with was all the behind your back gossiping in the office.

I'd say something in a meeting and the next day the "Chinese Whispers" would get back to my manager that I had said or done something completely different. Then you had to try to figure out which one of these little beyotches went behind your back instead of saying something to you directly.

And as an American, I ALWAYS had a target on my back. I had to be correct 100% of the time but they didn't have to. And if I was EVER wrong, I'd never hear the end of it. By and large, they appreciated having a subject matter expert on staff but they hated the fact that it was an American who they didn't succeed in running off within the first 6-12 months.
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 2:10p, 12/17/25
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YouBet said:
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Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.


I work for an Aussie company and their corporate Gmail accounts are configured to spellcheck everything against everything.

Does the abbreviation NHTFS bring to mind a phrase you find used among your Aussie colleagues?


This reminded me....I was interviewing for a job based in Canada about 3 years ago and the guy who I was to replace was American and he informed me that their corporate software had built in Canadian nanny tech. Example: if you sent an email on Sunday the email app would prompt you at Send and ask you to reconsider sending the email because it was the weekend. They didn't think it was fair to email your people over the weekend. Keep in mind this was for a job that is 24/7 - 7 days per week. There are no off hours in this job. It would also check your email before sending to confirm you weren't sending anything that sounded combative, hostile, or just not friendly. I didn't see any examples for that one.

He told me [paraphrased] "Since you are from Texas, you are going to have to change how you operate. I assume you are pretty direct and clear about your intentions and language you use if you are like other Texans I've worked with. That will not go over well here. You will need to dial your personality back and be overly nice and friendly and not rock the boat." He was from the mid-west.

I went through about 4 months of interviews for this gig and ultimately we all decided it wasn't a good fit.

One of the things I struggled with was all the behind your back gossiping in the office.

I'd say something in a meeting and the next day the "Chinese Whispers" would get back to my manager that I had said or done something completely different. Then you had to try to figure out which one of these little beyotches went behind your back instead of saying something to you directly.

And as an American, I ALWAYS had a target on my back. I had to be correct 100% of the time but they didn't have to. And if I was EVER wrong, I'd never hear the end of it. By and large, they appreciated having a subject matter expert on staff but they hated the fact that it was an American who they didn't succeed in running off within the first 6-12 months.


I work in a very global capacity and what was once a dream to live and work outside the US has gone by the wayside as a result. As much as Americans and US capitalism is hated on, the rest of the world is an overly dramatic, backstabbing **** show in the workplace. It's honestly exhausting.
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In reply to bthotugigem05 • 2:12p, 12/17/25
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JFABNRGR said:
There was a time where australia required immigrants to have very special skill sets and or over a million dollars cash.....man have they changed.

Legal immigration is still quite difficult for non-Commonwealth countries, outside of working holiday visas, without a company to sponsor you. Socially there is a lot of frustration about immigration numbers when there's already a cost of living crisis.

If you're over 45, permanent residency is nearly impossible without extreme wealth or a company to sponsor you. I'm 2.5 years into a 4-year company-sponsored visa and have a pretty big decision to make in the next 6 months or so, I can't renew this visa so the only alternative would be applying for permanent residency.

My work visa was renewable for 4 more years (another thing about Australia is that they change the rules all the time) but I was eligible for Permanent Residency after 3 years. Took a few months to get that processed. Medical exams, etc.

I was out drinking at my local (Collaroy Beach Club) one night and was talking to a Brit who had come over at age 50 and got his Permanent Residency. But, he said the key for him was earning over $300,000/yr. They want those high wage earner taxes.

Wife and I were eligible for Citizenship but decided that neither one of us wanted it. Permanent Residency was good enough. My biggest fear about becoming a Citizen was that the Aussie Government would try to reach out overseas for taxes and law enforcement.

I don't know if you remember when the two Aussie Olympians got in trouble for posing with guns during a trip to the USA.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/australian-olympic-swimmers-nick-darcy-and-kenrick-monk-pose-with-guns-in-facebook-photo/news-story/0bae3392f353e34a4068e4e35d8e2294
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Both shooters had Indian passports.

India has the second most amount of Muslims of any country on the planet (Indonesia)
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HollywoodBQ said:
YouBet said:
Ulysses90 said:
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Also, during my time in Australia, I wrote using local language. s instead of z, things like that. Like how in the movie Firefox, Clint Eastwood has to think in Russian. Same deal.


I work for an Aussie company and their corporate Gmail accounts are configured to spellcheck everything against everything.

Does the abbreviation NHTFS bring to mind a phrase you find used among your Aussie colleagues?


This reminded me....I was interviewing for a job based in Canada about 3 years ago and the guy who I was to replace was American and he informed me that their corporate software had built in Canadian nanny tech. Example: if you sent an email on Sunday the email app would prompt you at Send and ask you to reconsider sending the email because it was the weekend. They didn't think it was fair to email your people over the weekend. Keep in mind this was for a job that is 24/7 - 7 days per week. There are no off hours in this job. It would also check your email before sending to confirm you weren't sending anything that sounded combative, hostile, or just not friendly. I didn't see any examples for that one.

He told me [paraphrased] "Since you are from Texas, you are going to have to change how you operate. I assume you are pretty direct and clear about your intentions and language you use if you are like other Texans I've worked with. That will not go over well here. You will need to dial your personality back and be overly nice and friendly and not rock the boat." He was from the mid-west.

I went through about 4 months of interviews for this gig and ultimately we all decided it wasn't a good fit.

One of the things I struggled with was all the behind your back gossiping in the office.

I'd say something in a meeting and the next day the "Chinese Whispers" would get back to my manager that I had said or done something completely different. Then you had to try to figure out which one of these little beyotches went behind your back instead of saying something to you directly.

And as an American, I ALWAYS had a target on my back. I had to be correct 100% of the time but they didn't have to. And if I was EVER wrong, I'd never hear the end of it. By and large, they appreciated having a subject matter expert on staff but they hated the fact that it was an American who they didn't succeed in running off within the first 6-12 months.


I work in a very global capacity and what was once a dream to live and work outside the US has gone by the wayside as a result. As much as Americans and US capitalism is hated on, the rest of the world is an overly dramatic, backstabbing **** show in the workplace. It's honestly exhausting.



funny that a similar British colony would be so catty and idiotic towards Americans.

working for an Israeli company for 6 years and that has never once happened-

they LOVE that I am an American and are in awe of how professional Americans are when it comes to presenting at meetings and organizational skills and showing up on time for meetings and just having things 100% always organized.
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 2:22p, 12/17/25
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JFABNRGR said:
There was a time where australia required immigrants to have very special skill sets and or over a million dollars cash.....man have they changed.

Wanted to add that they've upped the dollar figure from $2M to $5M and I believe they've said that you can't just buy property for your "Investment".

The problem was that Chinese were coming in and buying up properties in Sydney for $2M+ and getting the golden ticket to Australia when all they'd done was buy a house.

I used to work for a Scottish guy who had been an early Microsoft employee and he owned (he lived elsewhere) a $7M house in Mosman on Sydney's Lower North Shore. He used it for company Christmas parties and such. It was incredible. It was a shame to see properties like that one just used as investments rather than residences.
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