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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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That's the key fact we should acknowledge here though. Christians and Jews participating in these kinds of acts are not normal and common and are part of ancient history.

Meanwhile, the Muslims continue their Jihad against the rest of us here in 2025 and will continue to do so until humanity is extinct.

So there just isn't an equitable viewpoint here. The reality is that this type of violence is propagated by Muslims 99 times out of 100 in modern times.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side. Those same provocative thoughts were probably the same ones that kicked off wars and murder in the first place.

I don't have an answer on how to fix what is currently going on, no one does, it's been happening for thousands of years and we still can't figure out a solution, but killing the other side will certainly not help, and only exacerbate the problem(s).

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Yes, we absolutely can because the reality is that Muslims are the ones committing these heinous acts over and over. Christians and Jews are not. And it's been that way for several hundred years now.

You are denying reality and moving the goalposts by a thousand damn years to try and blame equally. Completely and utterly illogical. Your position is why there is no compromise with the left because you deny reality.

No one has a solution? I do and the solution is really damn easy; it's adjusting our immigration policy and involves no violence:

1. Shut down the borders - Completed by Trump although your side will open that back up next Dem POTUS.

2. Ban all immigration from any Muslim country from this point forward. Discussed as option by Trump after last incident here. Remains to be seen what he actually does here.

3. Deport any and all existing Muslims that run their mouth about overthrowing our government, promoting violence against others, etc.

Our only response will be to further restrict firearms from law abiding citizens / Australian Government

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BlackGold said:

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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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That's the key fact we should acknowledge here though. Christians and Jews participating in these kinds of acts are not normal and common and are part of ancient history.

Meanwhile, the Muslims continue their Jihad against the rest of us here in 2025 and will continue to do so until humanity is extinct.

So there just isn't an equitable viewpoint here. The reality is that this type of violence is propagated by Muslims 99 times out of 100 in modern times.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side. Those same provocative thoughts were probably the same ones that kicked off wars and murder in the first place.

I don't have an answer on how to fix what is currently going on, no one does, it's been happening for thousands of years and we still can't figure out a solution, but killing the other side will certainly not help, and only exacerbate the problem(s).

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While I'll agree killings from religious strife will definitely go on in perpetuity, I definitely disagree that it cant be dealt with and stopped on Australia, the US, Europe.

It can definitely be contained to the regions where it originates from to such a degree where's its an afterthought to us.

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I agree it can be contained and agree on using immigration as the main tool for that, but it won't ever be stopped completely and it is made much more difficult in a globalized world. The response of killing people you disagree with, is definitely not the answer though.

Muslims in general, no.

Jihadist- when necessary.


We didn't see these sorts of attacks at this rate and in the west until the last 30 or so years. The main difference is the left or globalist immigration policy.

We can end this problem for us if we get the political will too.

Israel will probably not be able to. Its not a problem in SA

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BlackGold said:

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YouBet said:

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BlackGold said:

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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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That's the key fact we should acknowledge here though. Christians and Jews participating in these kinds of acts are not normal and common and are part of ancient history.

Meanwhile, the Muslims continue their Jihad against the rest of us here in 2025 and will continue to do so until humanity is extinct.

So there just isn't an equitable viewpoint here. The reality is that this type of violence is propagated by Muslims 99 times out of 100 in modern times.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side. Those same provocative thoughts were probably the same ones that kicked off wars and murder in the first place.

I don't have an answer on how to fix what is currently going on, no one does, it's been happening for thousands of years and we still can't figure out a solution, but killing the other side will certainly not help, and only exacerbate the problem(s).

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Yes, we absolutely can because the reality is that Muslims are the ones committing these heinous acts over and over. Christians and Jews are not. And it's been that way for several hundred years now.

You are denying reality and moving the goalposts by a thousand damn years to try and blame equally. Completely and utterly illogical. Your position is why there is no compromise with the left because you deny reality.

No one has a solution? I do and the solution is really damn easy; it's adjusting our immigration policy and involves no violence:

1. Shut down the borders - Completed by Trump although your side will open that back up next Dem POTUS.

2. Ban all immigration from any Muslim country from this point forward. Discussed as option by Trump after last incident here. Remains to be seen what he actually does here.

3. Deport any and all existing Muslims that run their mouth about overthrowing our government, promoting violence against others, etc.

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It is amusing that you assume I am a libtard because you don't like or don't want to believe in historical facts. Your 3 point plan would not stop religious violence, but it might make you feel better.

All I have been trying to point out is that religious zealotry has:

1 - Been happening forever
2 - Been the cause of millions of deaths throughout history
3 - Been on the behalf of pretty much every religion in the world
4 - Will continue to happen no matter how much more government you want to throw at it

BlackGold said:

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YouBet said:

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BlackGold said:

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YouBet said:

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BlackGold said:

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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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That's the key fact we should acknowledge here though. Christians and Jews participating in these kinds of acts are not normal and common and are part of ancient history.

Meanwhile, the Muslims continue their Jihad against the rest of us here in 2025 and will continue to do so until humanity is extinct.

So there just isn't an equitable viewpoint here. The reality is that this type of violence is propagated by Muslims 99 times out of 100 in modern times.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side. Those same provocative thoughts were probably the same ones that kicked off wars and murder in the first place.

I don't have an answer on how to fix what is currently going on, no one does, it's been happening for thousands of years and we still can't figure out a solution, but killing the other side will certainly not help, and only exacerbate the problem(s).

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Yes, we absolutely can because the reality is that Muslims are the ones committing these heinous acts over and over. Christians and Jews are not. And it's been that way for several hundred years now.

You are denying reality and moving the goalposts by a thousand damn years to try and blame equally. Completely and utterly illogical. Your position is why there is no compromise with the left because you deny reality.

No one has a solution? I do and the solution is really damn easy; it's adjusting our immigration policy and involves no violence:

1. Shut down the borders - Completed by Trump although your side will open that back up next Dem POTUS.

2. Ban all immigration from any Muslim country from this point forward. Discussed as option by Trump after last incident here. Remains to be seen what he actually does here.

3. Deport any and all existing Muslims that run their mouth about overthrowing our government, promoting violence against others, etc.

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It is amusing that you assume I am a libtard because you don't like or don't want to believe in historical facts. Your 3 point plan would not stop religious violence, but it might make you feel better.

All I have been trying to point out is that religious zealotry has:

1 - Been happening forever
2 - Been the cause of millions of deaths throughout history
3 - Been on the behalf of pretty much every religion in the world
4 - Will continue to happen no matter how much more government you want to throw at it

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It's amusing that you keep going back in time to frame this problem when the problem is here and now. I'm in no way denying historical facts and haven't done so.

All I'm pointing out is that current religious zealotry resulting in the rape and murder of innocents (over and over) is performed by Muslims 99.99% of the time.

And my 3-point plan would not stop religious violence, but it would damn sure lessen the probability of it happening! So, your solution is to do absolutely nothing? Just let it roll, huh.

You are adopting the Muslim London Mayor's outlook of "Muslim violence is part and parcel to big cities". Just lay back and take it?

It wont happen on our shores with any regularity if we dont want it to.

And more govt is exactly what is needed here- more govt doing the job it is constitutionally told to do

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YouBet said:

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YouBet said:

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BlackGold said:

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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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That's the key fact we should acknowledge here though. Christians and Jews participating in these kinds of acts are not normal and common and are part of ancient history.

Meanwhile, the Muslims continue their Jihad against the rest of us here in 2025 and will continue to do so until humanity is extinct.

So there just isn't an equitable viewpoint here. The reality is that this type of violence is propagated by Muslims 99 times out of 100 in modern times.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side. Those same provocative thoughts were probably the same ones that kicked off wars and murder in the first place.

I don't have an answer on how to fix what is currently going on, no one does, it's been happening for thousands of years and we still can't figure out a solution, but killing the other side will certainly not help, and only exacerbate the problem(s).

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Yes, we absolutely can because the reality is that Muslims are the ones committing these heinous acts over and over. Christians and Jews are not. And it's been that way for several hundred years now.

You are denying reality and moving the goalposts by a thousand damn years to try and blame equally. Completely and utterly illogical. Your position is why there is no compromise with the left because you deny reality.

No one has a solution? I do and the solution is really damn easy; it's adjusting our immigration policy and involves no violence:

1. Shut down the borders - Completed by Trump although your side will open that back up next Dem POTUS.

2. Ban all immigration from any Muslim country from this point forward. Discussed as option by Trump after last incident here. Remains to be seen what he actually does here.

3. Deport any and all existing Muslims that run their mouth about overthrowing our government, promoting violence against others, etc.

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It is amusing that you assume I am a libtard because you don't like or don't want to believe in historical facts. Your 3 point plan would not stop religious violence, but it might make you feel better.

All I have been trying to point out is that religious zealotry has:

1 - Been happening forever
2 - Been the cause of millions of deaths throughout history
3 - Been on the behalf of pretty much every religion in the world
4 - Will continue to happen no matter how much more government you want to throw at it

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please enlighten us on any relevant Christian persecution vs other religions in recent memory...hell, the last century. And no, "persecution" does not include bans on gay marriage or pro-life initiatives.

Heck, just point us to any relevant religious persecution/violence by anyone other than Muslims in recent memory that can't be categorized as self defense.

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There are now a total of 2 cool people in Australia

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And seeing as how this is Australia, the Muslim being the cool hero is definitely the most surprising.

The praise he's getting from Trump and Bibi are well deserved. It's also good to see a GoFundMe is going to help him out for his bravery.

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seeing the hero is actually a LEBANESE CHRISTIAN MARONITE not a Muslim

that would be the ultimate irony.

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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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I know plenty about history.

Muslims still live like they're in the 12th century. Christians do not. Neither do Jews.

This isn't even hard.

No one saying that there aren't religious zealots of all kinds, but it is way slanted in one direction only and they are not doing any kind of damage like we are seeing.

You never have to worry about the peaceful ones in any religion. That's not what we're talking about here.

They're not even trying to hide it.

And many of them are already in western countries. Why these people are still in ours is beyond me.

A Muslim in New York City wearing a Hamas headband:

"I want to kill as many Zionists as I can."

These are literally terrorists in America.pic.twitter.com/q1k2N1h7Xx

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) December 15, 2025

Islamic Imam in Virginia:

“Of all Western nations, America is the last stronghold of Christianity. This is why it’s our duty to change that and make America Muslim.

Christians and Jews have a superiority complex. We have to cure their illness.” pic.twitter.com/lyILdVMSkj

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) December 14, 2025

Islamic scholar Uthman Farooq, speaking in America:

"A Muslim Europe will come true. America will be a Muslim country, and Islam will enter every house. They can be as mad as they want. I don't care."

Why is he not deported from the U.S. 🇺🇸?pic.twitter.com/G7qF61iLEY

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) December 14, 2025

🚨 CHILLING WAKE-UP CALL FROM CHICAGO: Muslim declares on video:

“Islam did NOT come to co-exist. Islam is ALWAYS superior. Nothing is above Islam.”

“It didn’t come to live with other religions… Islam came to CORRECT all that. To REMOVE the oppression of those religions. It’s… pic.twitter.com/AAJgHIPCF9

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) December 13, 2025

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You simply will not admit that this is not a gun problem. This is a Muslim problem and a migrant problem.

Period.

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I read yesterday, dont know if its been confirmed or not, but the dad here had a license for a gun.

So he was on the terrorist list, known to authorities and still had a license for a gun?

yep...and those are just scratching the surface of the bazillion pieces of evidence out there, not to mention their HOLY BOOK requires it! so many sheep out there just blindly accepting the media narrative that muslims are non-violent, accepting of others and good!

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🚨 CHILLING WAKE-UP CALL FROM CHICAGO: Muslim declares on video:

“Islam did NOT come to co-exist. Islam is ALWAYS superior. Nothing is above Islam.”

“It didn’t come to live with other religions… Islam came to CORRECT all that. To REMOVE the oppression of those religions. It’s… pic.twitter.com/AAJgHIPCF9

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) December 13, 2025

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These ignorant, fanatical dip****s have neither the willingness nor inclination to understand America let alone acculturate.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

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They might as well be back in 1453 staring at the last bastion of Christianity and all her excellence with envious eyes and frothing at the mouth over conquest, slaughter, rape, enslavement, and pillage.

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You simply will not admit that this is not a gun problem. This is a Muslim problem and a migrant problem.

Period.

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I read yesterday, dont know if its been confirmed or not, but the dad here had a license for a gun.

So he was on the terrorist list, known to authorities and still had a license for a gun?

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Apparently was investigated in 2019 by ASIO and I guess they decided there was nothing there that was worth prosecuting at the time.

Apparently the guy did have a gun licence and owned six firearms. It was reported that he was a member of a target shooting club and had a recreational hunting licence.

I'm not sure about his Citizenship status.

When I was living in Australia, I casually looked into obtaining a firearms licence (out of idle curiosity) but there were so many restrictions and extra costs that you'd really have to want to do it. I believe you could get one if you had Permanent Residency but I never confirmed that.

Otherwise, I believe you have to be a Citizen. And we've got an MP from Perth claiming that the guy wasn't a Citizen so that's a bit of conflicting information.

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You simply will not admit that this is not a gun problem. This is a Muslim problem and a migrant problem.

Period.

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I read yesterday, dont know if its been confirmed or not, but the dad here had a license for a gun.

So he was on the terrorist list, known to authorities and still had a license for a gun?

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Well, he shouldn't have been able to get a gun if he was on a terrorist list, just showing how worthless gun laws really are, again bad guys and crazy people don't follow the law.

Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people.

The problem is, you will never eradicate evil off the face of the earth. But we are seeing a very congregated evil right now. I do feel bad for the peaceful Muslims I understand how distressing this should be to them, but there's a serious problem with this religion.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5fWZ4pLYLoQ5RRDWIn3qPU?si=szemIfNuRrOdcsf12n1qNg&t=4301&pi=KYfGx3gsS1OU6

Pretty timely trigger podcast about the muslim religion, history and conquest for anyone interested in a brief history

BREAKING: Hamas supporters disrupt the vigil for the Bondi Beach Massacre.

They are protesting a vigil for a 10 year old girl and 15 others.

Evil. pic.twitter.com/AQzEXVax5E

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) December 15, 2025

And, there's celebration by the "friendly" Muslim supporters

Didn't see this so apologies if already posted.

Son of the Rabbi at the Jewish Center across George Bush drive from campus was among those shot and critically wounded.

💔 Some of the kindest people you’ll ever meet here in Aggieland—and tonight, their family is heartbreakingly connected to the horrific act of violence that unfolded in Australia.

Sixteen people were killed and 38 others injured, including Rabbi Leibel Lazaroff, who was… pic.twitter.com/VTjWPBUf0K

— 🚨 Rusty Surette (@KBTXRusty) December 14, 2025

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This is a good thing. For the fence-sitters who have a conscience and moral compass, I think this will disgust them and hopefully open their eyes. These jihadis and leftists are tone-deaf on most issues and especially this one. I think this will bite them in the ass and backfire!!!

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BREAKING: Hamas supporters disrupt the vigil for the Bondi Beach Massacre.

They are protesting a vigil for a 10 year old girl and 15 others.

Evil. pic.twitter.com/AQzEXVax5E

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) December 15, 2025

And, there's celebration by the "friendly" Muslim supporters

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It was difficult to figure out what was going on there in grainycam footage. It's unclear if that was before, during or after a memorial event.

Also at the same location in front of Bondi Pavilion was this rendition of Advance Australia Fair with significantly more people and none of the sideshow going on.

The Australian national anthem is sung at the Bondi memorial for the terror attack. At this time, 24 hours ago, the two gunmen were opening fire on the crowds. pic.twitter.com/6YHTYGK1q9

— Nathan Livingstone (MilkBarTV) (@TheMilkBarTV) December 15, 2025

Pro-Hamas crowd in Manchester is celebrating the Bondi Beach Hanukkah massacre.

Those people are monsters.pic.twitter.com/CqsYayLadg

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) December 15, 2025

Now there are reports of Australian police officers refusing to engage the attackers:

BREAKING - Newly released images confirm eyewitness claims that four officers were close to the attackers during the Bondi Beach massacre but failed to engage, with photos showing three female officers fleeing or hiding instead of attempting to respond to the threat. pic.twitter.com/3CZmWgUjOn

— Right Angle News Network (@Rightanglenews) December 14, 2025

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Simple solution here: ban all Muslims. Deport them all and do not let anymore in.

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Don't need to even send muslims back, revoke license for mosques.
That is where all the planning happens - the terror factory.

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F that. Send them back. Take away the mosques and the savages will just meet in the streets in their enclaves.

There are about, what, 100 muslim countries? Pick one, any one. Send them there.

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So the number of certified badasses in Australia is probably less than 50.

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Austrailia did lose a war on their own turf against emu's, so they aren't nearly as badass as Crocodile Dundee led us to believe.

They need to be purged.

They should all be fired.

Libs support this stuff. Dont forget.

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Where am I justifying any murder? Don't be obtuse. Murdering someone for their beliefs is clearly not ok. I'm clearly speaking in a historical context. If you think I'm lying or making stuff up, read a book and take a history class.

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That's the key fact we should acknowledge here though. Christians and Jews participating in these kinds of acts are not normal and common and are part of ancient history.

Meanwhile, the Muslims continue their Jihad against the rest of us here in 2025 and will continue to do so until humanity is extinct.

So there just isn't an equitable viewpoint here. The reality is that this type of violence is propagated by Muslims 99 times out of 100 in modern times.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side. Those same provocative thoughts were probably the same ones that kicked off wars and murder in the first place.

I don't have an answer on how to fix what is currently going on, no one does, it's been happening for thousands of years and we still can't figure out a solution, but killing the other side will certainly not help, and only exacerbate the problem(s).

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What's weird is that the only terror attack against Muslims perpetrated by a Westerner in the last few decades, the Christchurch mosque shootings, was motivated more by white supremacy, not Christianity. Even then, the shooter was radicalized by repeated Islamist attacks against Europeans with no provocation or backlash to justify them.

It's almost like there's a single religion that promotes violence, conquest, and subjugation and its "zealots" routinely carry that out across the world. I mean we can see numerous islamist groups preaching about the subjugation and conquering of non-muslims right now and practicing terror and violence to that end, but I bet you couldn't name a single Christian or Jewish terror group that's committed a mass murder of Muslims in the last century.

The only time these guys pretend to have free speech is when hateful Muslim talking points are being used !

The greatest trick evil performs is to get people to believe it doesn't exist.

This is exactly the same as muslims convincing infidels islam is a religion and not a form of government control/way of life. It is 100% incompatible with western civilization, they CANNOT coexist. Its the lady and the poison snake story but worse.

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You can't look at everything from a short term perspective though, especially not religious zealotry, since it has been happening forever and will continue to happen long after we're all dead and gone. If you do, you'll get the current group-think that seems to be propagating throughout these forums - get rid of the other side.

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It's not a short term perspective. It's a millenium and a half of data recorded in blood.

There is no equivalency that can be made under the general heading of religious zealotry betweenIslam and other religions. Violence under the label of zealotry committed by Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus is denounced universally by the leaders of those religions around the globe.

The inherently violent nature of Islam is a central feature of Islamic orthodoxy. It's the fringes. Muslims get violent when they start taking their scriptures. Beheading apostates and infidels, endless jihad, executing male prisoners, enslaving the conquered women and children of the conquered, dhimmitude and jizya, the term 'martyr' applied to mass murderes, are all doctrine from either the Koran or the hadiths that Muslims cannot renounce without placing themselves under judgment as an infidel.

Islam isn't like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, or Judaism. It cannot simply coexist among other religions because jihad is an obligation to assert dominance over and then to eradicate competing religions by means of jihad.

Islam in its 'peaceful' state will over time decay into a state of jihad with the same certitude as the halflife of the nucleus of a radioactive isotope . It's going to happen, the only question is when. As we have seen with Britain, France, and all of the European countries that have allowed unassimilated Muslim ghettos to metastacize, the jihad is inevitable when the Muslims achieve a local majority if not sooner.