Is Greenland next?

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It's been kept pretty quiet, but we did take control of Greenland about 4 decades ago.

Had to assist some Arctic Warriors that were stuck in the Ice Cap , but, you know, America

The Danes folded like a cheap suit.

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IDaggie06 said:

Now THAT is how you start WW3. How do you think of this stuff.


Remember when tariffs were all just talk and a negotiating tactic?
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Ed Harley said:

I have no problem with Maduro being taken out. I was in favor of bombing Iran and doing it again if necessary. I'm hawkish on foreign policy.

But I don't understand the desire to take over Greenland, other than a straight land grab.

Can someone enlighten me?

Grab bag of reasons:
  • Further cements American territory and governance over northern-most extents of Western hemisphere
  • Further enables Monroe Doctrine via above point
  • Greenland reportedly has massive mineral and rare earth deposits
  • Trump is a real estate deal guy at heart and would love nothing more than to have a historic landmark addition to the US
  • Chinese and Russian activity has picked up in recent years as sea ice melts, opening up previously inaccessible shipping lanes - this is expected to continue, irrelevant on global warming political posturing
  • Russia, for all of it's history, has been checked in open access to the seas and oceans (Turkey, NATO member, controls the Bosporus to the Mediterranean; access to the the Atlantic is controlled by Denmark and Sweden, the Arctic and Pacific ports are ice-bound for months of the year) - this massively degrades their naval capabilities. As the sea ice melts, it opens up new lanes of potential access to North America historically unable
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Rationalizing an elderly man in severe and accelerating cognitive decline muttering about going to war with NATO.

This place is lit.
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Only one lit is you


Not liking his methods is one thing; Sticking head in sand about his successes is another.


Pretending he is a muttering old man is truly stupid, reflecting on your ignorance, or your stupidity, or simply your philosophical bent come
Hell or High Water.

Folks playing the game you are playing is why this country has the many problems it has - from societal to economic to even the ability for many to even remotely demonstrate critical thinking.

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FobTies said:

Greenland's rare earth reserves are estimated at 1.5 million metric tons, representing nearly 20% of known global reserves

Claim "national security" and aquire critical materials for EVs and other tech.


So use "national security" as an excuse to take over any country we want, a country who has not attacked us and even drugs can't be used as a reason, because we want what they have because it'll make things cheaper and easier for us?

Is that what you're getting at? Because that's a huge leap from arresting one person and his wife.
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OverSeas AG said:

Only one lit is you


Not liking his methods is one thing; Sticking head in sand about his successes is another.


Pretending he is a muttering old man is truly stupid, reflecting on your ignorance, or your stupidity, or simply your philosophical bent come
Hell or High Water.

Folks playing the game you are playing is why this country has the many problems it has - from societal to economic to even the ability for many to even remotely demonstrate critical thinking.


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Greenland, with a land area about 3x that of Texas (or 25% larger than Alaska) has a population roughly the size of Galveston.

It seems like this really shouldn't be so hard to figure out, but hey, maybe the Danes are better real estate negotiators than NYC Jews.
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No Spin Ag said:

FobTies said:

Greenland's rare earth reserves are estimated at 1.5 million metric tons, representing nearly 20% of known global reserves

Claim "national security" and aquire critical materials for EVs and other tech.


So use "national security" as an excuse to take over any country we want, a country who has not attacked us and even drugs can't be used as a reason, because we want what they have because it'll make things cheaper and easier for us?

Is that what you're getting at? Because that's a huge leap from arresting one person and his wife.

Greenland's natural resources and strategic military base has been openly talked about. Im not arguing the constitutional authority or merits of a land grab like this. Just that its on the radar and with Trumps success in Vzla, he may keep ball rolling.

Also, the Maduros were captured almost entirely due to their natural resources engagement with our adversaries. The narco terrorism stuff is just the means to justify the end. This is also openly talked about, Rubio basically admitted it.
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FobTies said:

No Spin Ag said:

FobTies said:

Greenland's rare earth reserves are estimated at 1.5 million metric tons, representing nearly 20% of known global reserves

Claim "national security" and aquire critical materials for EVs and other tech.


So use "national security" as an excuse to take over any country we want, a country who has not attacked us and even drugs can't be used as a reason, because we want what they have because it'll make things cheaper and easier for us?

Is that what you're getting at? Because that's a huge leap from arresting one person and his wife.

Greenland's natural resources and strategic military base has been openly talked about. Im not arguing the constitutional authority or merits of a land grab like this. Just that its on the radar and with Trumps success in Vzla, he may keep ball rolling.

Also, the Maduros were captured almost entirely due to their natural resources engagement with our adversaries. The narco terrorism stuff is just the means to justify the end. This is also openly talked about, Rubio basically admitted it.


Gotcha. And I agree, Trump does seem to be using whatever wording he needs to as an excuse do whatever he wants for whatever reason he wants.

For now, this one action ( Maduro) is very easy for most that aren't blindly hateful with TDS to support. Going for Greenland won't be.
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We should take the oil money from Venezuela and use it to purchase Greenland
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aggiedata said:




Lot of hyperbole from Denmark. We aren't going to attack Greenland.

(I realize there is a lot of bluster and hyperbole coming from Trump the other direction on wanting Greenland.)
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Attack Greenland? What a ******ed thought.
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What exactly would you attack? Do they even have a full time police station?
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There are some on this board, sitting at work or home or in their classroom with their butts clenched waiting for the attack on Greenland at any moment.
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OverSeas AG said:

There are some on this board, sitting at work or home or in their classroom with their butts clenched waiting for the attack on Greenland at any moment.


I'm thinking about going up there with my 9mm with maybe one extra mag and taking it myself.
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Trump is talking about it pretty directly, as are others in his admin. The left cant keep up wtih all foreign flags they need to go buy for their street protesting.

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Krazykat said:

Mexico is next.


IRAN IS NEXT
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YouBet said:

OverSeas AG said:

There are some on this board, sitting at work or home or in their classroom with their butts clenched waiting for the attack on Greenland at any moment.


I'm thinking about going up there with my 9mm with maybe one extra mag and taking it myself.


I'm assuming neither your 9mm, nor the extra mag, will have any rounds in them. I mean, that would be overkill.
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YouBet said:

aggiedata said:




Lot of hyperbole from Denmark. We aren't going to attack Greenland.

(I realize there is a lot of bluster and hyperbole coming from Trump the other direction on wanting Greenland.)



All Trump has to do is stop talking about Greenland and a minor diplomatic kerfluffle will stay that way.

This is Trump at his worst.
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K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

aggiedata said:




Lot of hyperbole from Denmark. We aren't going to attack Greenland.

(I realize there is a lot of bluster and hyperbole coming from Trump the other direction on wanting Greenland.)



All Trump has to do is stop talking about Greenland and a minor diplomatic kerfluffle will stay that way.

This is Trump at his worst.


It's a bit much by him. I think he's mostly trolling in public, but he obviously wants it. I don't blame him; it would be a great get for the US if Denmark was willing to part with it. I don't see any way they do so though if anything out of sheer pride.
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Can't speak to veracity of the claim in this post, but the concept of deepening ties with the Greenlandic government and people separate from Denmark has always seemed like the more logical first step to eventually acquiring the landmass.

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The U.S. administration is developing a draft agreement with Greenland that could be offered directly to the island's authorities, according to The Economist.

The proposal involves a Free Association Agreement a framework in which the United States provides funding and guarantees improvements in living standards, while the partner hands over defense matters to Washington, retaining internal self-government.

The U.S. already operates under similar arrangements with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau.

According to the magazine, Trump's strategy has two main goals. The first is to deepen divisions between Greenland and Denmark. The second is to open direct negotiations with the island, bypassing Copenhagen.



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Next someone will say let's take over some 3rd world countries so we have an unending supply of slaves.
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I think maps are useful.

It's interesting the elements of the non-TDS/leftist political sphere which love to support certain conflicts with Russia don't think this is a good thing to prioritize, to me.

And Trump hasn't threatened an 'invasion' he has basically steered towards buying off the population to support independence…to then favor working with us. The Danish aristocracy/colonists are functionally enemies of both the Inuit/native population and American interests here.
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Read Stephen Miller's quotes about why they can take Greenland. Essentially because they want it.

"Evil" is the word that comes to my mind.
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shiftyandquick said:

Read Stephen Miller's quotes about why they can take Greenland. Essentially because they want it.

"Evil" is the word that comes to my mind.

Why would the US taking Greenland by evil?

We going to put the locals in ovens like Hamas? Round them up in camps like fascists do? Enslave them like Dems do?

What evil is in store for Greenland if the US controls it?
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nortex97 said:

I think maps are useful.

It's interesting the elements of the non-TDS/leftist political sphere which love to support certain conflicts with Russia don't think this is a good thing to prioritize, to me.

And Trump hasn't threatened an 'invasion' he has basically steered towards buying off the population to support independence…to then favor working with us. The Danish aristocracy/colonists are functionally enemies of both the Inuit/native population and American interests here.

Yup - maps are always good but for this subject absolutely essential. Normal Mercator projection flat maps just don't convey what's going on at the north pole.

Ignoring shipping lanes for a minute, if we really are going to build this 'Golden Dome' missile defense system, it sure would be nice to have a massive, virtually uninhabited, landmass halfway between our population centers and the primary threat source(s) on which to stage intercept launch stations. Maybe a little hyperbolic to say, but I'm perfectly fine with a little hardball diplomacy with an ally when preventing nuclear annihilation of the north half of the US is potentially on the line.

And completely agree with your second point. I continue to read this in classic 'Art of the Deal' terms, where Trump initially says or does something completely out of left field, gets everyone talking about it in, doubles down and raises the stakes again thereby forcing the 'gameboard to jiggle' and then compromises at a middle ground which is still far beyond what could have been achieved if there was only a polite, modest, opening request.

The only thing which continues to surprise is that other powers continue to not pick up on this basic pattern.

I'm also reading in this strategy that there's a two-fold at play to (1) influence or entice the Greenlandic population and (2) turn the Danish population against their own government by shifting any deal benefits [payoff] to the Greenlanders instead of Danes. They may not want to do a deal at all, but they would like it even less if a deal still happens and they get no payday out of it!
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shiftyandquick said:

Read Stephen Miller's quotes about why they can take Greenland. Essentially because they want it.

"Evil" is the word that comes to my mind.


You have zero capability to think strategically. Who do you think Greenland is better off with - a powerless, has been EU country or the USA?

We are pretty rapidly moving into a post Bretton Woods world that is bi-polar. If Greenland was smart, they would at least entertain Trump's proposal here for their own well-being.
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This was an interesting historical anecdote that came across my feed this morning:


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The United States was interested in buying the small Danish West Indies island archipelago in the Caribbean right after the Civil War.

The US feared that imperial powers would use the islands to attack our country and the Panama Canal.

Denmark & the US signed a treaty for the purchase, but the Senate wouldn't ratify by 1867, following the US purchase of Alaska from Russia.

After our 1898 war with Spain, in which we took possession of Puerto Rico and briefly governed Cuba, we worked again with Denmark to buy the islands.

The US Senate and Denmark's lower house ratified the treaty in 1902, but Denmark's upper house would not.

Then came World War I. Germany was poised to pressure neutral Denmark to allow stationing of U-boats there to attack our shipping from the Panama Canal and the Gulf of Mexico.

US and Denmark signed a new treaty in 1916 for the US to purchase the islands for $25 million in American gold coin.

The islands had become unprofitable for Denmark, and impossible for Denmark to defend.

The Danish people approved the treaty by referendum and both Houses of Parliament ratified it in December 1916. Ironically, Denmark did not permit residents of Greenland to vote.

The US Senate ratified the treaty in January 1917 and took possession.

A separate unilateral "declaration" associated with the treaty, signed by Secretary of State Robert Lansing, stated: "The Government of the United States of America will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland."

That declaration did not have the force of a treaty.

At the time, Denmark controlled only part of Greenland, mainly on the west coast where Nuuk is situated. Norway and earlier American explorers had made rival claims.

In that declaration, we didn't proactively recognize Danish control of all of Greenland. We just didn't object to it.

Ironically, Denmark did not permit residents of Greenland to vote on the treaty.

Denmark did not assert full control of Greenland until 1921, but full dominion was not resolved, due to a dispute over Norway's territorial claims, until 1933.

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flown-the-coop said:

shiftyandquick said:

Read Stephen Miller's quotes about why they can take Greenland. Essentially because they want it.

"Evil" is the word that comes to my mind.

Why would the US taking Greenland by evil?

We going to put the locals in ovens like Hamas? Round them up in camps like fascists do? Enslave them like Dems do?

What evil is in store for Greenland if the US controls it?

As a general rule, theft even when done by a government is frowned upon and this country reject colonialism a long time ago. Maybe, just maybe, the Greenland people want to remain free to determine their own fate as every survey I have seen shows is their interest.

If we want to add military assets to Greenland and they agree to it. Same with mineral mining.

This country has stood for democracy and freedom and now we get this new idea of whatever we want, is ours.
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Kansas Kid said:

flown-the-coop said:

shiftyandquick said:

Read Stephen Miller's quotes about why they can take Greenland. Essentially because they want it.

"Evil" is the word that comes to my mind.

Why would the US taking Greenland by evil?

We going to put the locals in ovens like Hamas? Round them up in camps like fascists do? Enslave them like Dems do?

What evil is in store for Greenland if the US controls it?

As a general rule, theft even when done by a government is frowned upon and this country reject colonialism a long time ago. Maybe, just maybe, the Greenland people want to remain free to determine their own fate as every survey I have seen shows is their interest.

If we want to add military assets to Greenland and they agree to it. Same with mineral mining.

This country has stood for democracy and freedom and now we get this new idea of whatever we want, is ours.

Bingo.

It's amazing how fast the ideals of this country as known before, are rejected and disregarded by some. Stephen Miller's quotes demonstrate that the United States is in mortal danger, morally.
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Kansas Kid said:



This country has stood for democracy and freedom and now we get this new idea of whatever we want, is ours.

Manifest Destiny is NOT a new idea. HTH.

The "first peoples" of Greenland certainly have had no vote on their own futures. And the Danes have treated as a ******* stepchild for the 90 or so years they have laid contentious claim to it.
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