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No. California doesn't want illegals barred from voting, and they'll do nothing to stop it.

They're already using illegal truckers to kill as many people as possible, in violation of scores of laws.

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Still waiting for those cited and credible sources to back these claims of fraud.

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Do you dispute that multiple counties purposefully circumvented internal controls that were put in place to create the evidence you are seeking? Things that would land a CFO of a publicly traded company in jail whether there was fraud or not?

Purposefully circumventing internal controls designed to prevent fraud is only acceptable to some people in elections, apparently.

If you take off your ankle monitor that is supposed to keep you on house arrest because it itches, and your paroll officer accuses you of breaking your parole, you don't get to tell the court that they have no proof you ever left the house, because you busted the control that was supposed to catch you if you left the housr. but that is exactly what you are doing.

Democrat policies are clearly in opposition to the will of the citizens of the USA, and I am certain they know it. So, why? I believe they are trying to provoke violence thinking in some distorted way they will gain power and can destroy constitutional liberty. The only peaceful way to prevent this is the legitimate vote of good men and women. If fair and free elections, of citizens only, are corrupted, the only way left is not good.

Therefore, I would squeeze Thune so hard his eyes would bulge, to pass the Save America Act NO MATTER WHAT TATICS ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT!

and still nothing from the senate.........

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and still nothing from the senate.........

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Any day now, Cornyn will start fighting to get it passed.

Their idiot drones will repeat anything they say. They don't need real numbers.

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None of us should want a bill that takes rights away from states, especially when it comes to elections. But I further argue that this SAVE America Act is based on the false narrative of rampant voter fraud. There just isn't any credible data that voter fraud is a major issue. Heck, even the conservative think tank that is heritage.org shows a mere 1,620 instances of actual, proven fraud dating back to 1982. See for yourself here

The new version of the bill also says that states must share information with federal agencies. I don't know about you, but as a conservative I don't want my information flowing through federal agencies that have no business knowing my business.

Lastly, your TX drivers license or state issued ID is not enough to be able to vote since it does not share where you were born (and why would it!?), according to this bill. You will need a passport or some other [u]federal[/u] form of identification to be able to vote. I have to imagine the pain in the ass my wife would have to go through trying to whip up her birth certificate, which doesn't match her state ID due to taking my last name. So then she will also have to find or purchase a copy of our marriage license, then take all three of these IDs to the polling place. That's just ludicrous. You can see for yourself here

I support state rights, which is why I cannot support this bill.

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So you and your wife have never left the country? Even for a honeymoon? Because her passport should match her married name and would be proof of citizenship. If she was born in Texas, she can get a copy of her birth certificate sent to her by the state without even leaving the house. My wife went and got a name change on her SS card after our wedding and changed her passport and it took at most an hour or two of effort on her part in the mid-90s before you could do nearly all of it online. These barriers you are erecting in your mind are not nearly as insurmountable as you want to make them out to be.

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I'm for voter ID, but here you highlight the problem with the SAVE ACT. Approximately 50-60% of Americans do not have a passport. Most people do not ever take a trip outside the US, especially the poorest portions of our population. Therefore, these people would need to spend the hour or two plus $165 for the passport in order to vote. Tying the ability to vote to a financial obligation limited to only a portion of the population, such as a poll-tax in violation of the 24th Amendment, and/or limiting the types of IDS that can be used is what the Supreme Court has traditionally found to be unlawful.

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You don't have to have a passport, and any person born in Texas can get a free copy of their birth certificate that can be used to get a free election identification card, just by going to their local county clerk's office. You can order a copy of your birth record online for a very small fee and never have to leave the comfort of your desk chair. This is not an insurmountable burden. As was pointed out, people have already been required to provide proof of citizenship to get their Texas DLs for years now. Anybody with a Texas DL with a gold star on it has already had to provide the same proof being asked for to certify them to vote. People are making this sound very hard and it is not.

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Again, you are proving the problem with the SAVE ACT. The SAVE ACT requires proof of citizenship, which may involve extra work/finances for some but not all. The REAL ID is a proxy but not proof and, as such, not acceptable. A person would have to take the time (as little or as much is needed) to get their birth certificate absent a passport. If the name on the birth cert does not match, the person would have to provide another court document to show why the document does not match (affidavit may be accepted but it is a crime on the receiver if it is false - i.e., who's going to want to face that chance?). So, who is likely to have their names not match their birth cert? It is most likely women. Now you have a de facto discriminatory law as it disproportionately affects women (mostly poor women).

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By that logic, requiring voter registration would be illegal. Heck, the act of requiring you to move your body to the voting location would be illegal. Moving ones self to the voting location can be disproportionately more difficult for the poor. Your argument is quite absurd.

The Senate is useless. If they can't pass something that 80%+ of Americans want, then they can **** off. Wouldn't trust them to do anything. Hope Trump does everything he can to keep bypassing the Senate.

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None of us should want a bill that takes rights away from states, especially when it comes to elections. But I further argue that this SAVE America Act is based on the false narrative of rampant voter fraud. There just isn't any credible data that voter fraud is a major issue. Heck, even the conservative think tank that is heritage.org shows a mere 1,620 instances of actual, proven fraud dating back to 1982. See for yourself here

The new version of the bill also says that states must share information with federal agencies. I don't know about you, but as a conservative I don't want my information flowing through federal agencies that have no business knowing my business.

Lastly, your TX drivers license or state issued ID is not enough to be able to vote since it does not share where you were born (and why would it!?), according to this bill. You will need a passport or some other [u]federal[/u] form of identification to be able to vote. I have to imagine the pain in the ass my wife would have to go through trying to whip up her birth certificate, which doesn't match her state ID due to taking my last name. So then she will also have to find or purchase a copy of our marriage license, then take all three of these IDs to the polling place. That's just ludicrous. You can see for yourself here

I support state rights, which is why I cannot support this bill.

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With all due respect you really don't understand states rights. This is a Federal law strictly limited to federal elections. Congress has specific authority in the constitution to regulate manner. States rights are irrelevant here. Based on your argument, I suppose you'd be OK with a state allowing illegals to vote in federal elections, cuz "states rights".

Can someone explain to me why it wouldn't be sufficient to register to vote with one's social security number and then show any state ID when voting to confirm that you are in fact the person whose social security number was used to register?

I know social security number fraud certainly exists, but I'm not aware that there are a lot of foreigners with state driver's licenses who say that they are Jim from Sheboygan.

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Democrat policies are clearly in opposition to the will of the citizens of the USA, and I am certain they know it. So, why? I believe they are trying to provoke violence thinking in some distorted way they will gain power and can destroy constitutional liberty. The only peaceful way to prevent this is the legitimate vote of good men and women. If fair and free elections, of citizens only, are corrupted, the only way left is not good.

Therefore, I would squeeze Thune so hard his eyes would bulge, to pass the Save America Act NO MATTER WHAT TATICS ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT!

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Your gonna have to get someone with money and clout like Elon to put the pressure on him. Also need to put the pressure on Collins and Murkowski. Mitch is a lost cause!

Threaten to back and run another candidate to replace Thune and Murkowski...and Collins if not too late

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The fact that requiring proof of citizenship to vote is somehow controversial or even has to be discussed blows my mind.

The fact that enforcing our borders is somehow controversial or even has to be discussed blows my mind.

The fact that deporting criminal illegal aliens is somehow controversial or even has to be discussed blows my mind.

The fact that these historically common sense, bipartisan issues have now been turned into major political divides is simply astounding for anyone with the ability to use logic or think critically.

Now why would progressives all of a sudden choose these hills to die on over the past few years?

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Because they know that weak, spineless, republicans in the senate will actually entertain their lunacy in the name of "decorum".