Great post, and I completely agree with everything you said. I didn't mean my other post to sound like a gotcha, but more of additional proof that your original point was spot on.

My only comment though is I don't think the founders fully grasped how apathetic, or even worse dependent, our populace would become towards a large central government. Had they had the forsight to see how weak we have become, they likely would have included additional provisions to prevent government from being so monsterous and overtaken by bad actors.

Or they did think of that and assumed if we were too weak to keep a limited government we would have to learn our lesson and earn it back. The outcome of this SAVE act would be a good test for the populace.

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Great post, and I completely agree with everything you said. I didn't mean my other post to sound like a gotcha, but more of additional proof that your original point was spot on.

My only comment though is I don't think the founders fully grasped how apathetic, or even worse dependent, our populace would become towards a large central government. Had they had the forsight to see how weak we have become, they likely would have included additional provisions to prevent government from being so monsterous and overtaken by bad actors.

Or they did think of that and assumed if we were too weak to keep a limited government we would have to learn our lesson and earn it back. The outcome of this SAVE act would be a good test for the populace.

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Thank you & I didn't take it as a gotcha post at all.

I think a big problem is we don't like other citizens representatives or senators of other states without understanding the politics of those states.

We need more pressure points outside that moves the voters or the candidate if that makes sense. I would use Mitch as poster child for a shame campaign against staying too long.

Hot take from a thirty-something: term limits are unnecessary if there's a max age to run for office . . . and to vote. Cap both at 80.

That's ****ing stupid.

hth

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Hot take from a thirty-something: term limits are unnecessary if there's a max age to run for office . . . and to vote. Cap both at 80.

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If the max age to run for office and to vote are the same, then the minimum age to do both should be the same. Nobody under 25 voting for the house, nobody under 30 voting for the senate and nobody under 35 voting for president. If you are too young and inexperienced to hold office then you are too young and inexperienced to vote.

No, I am not serious, but if we are going to pick arbitrary numbers to take away voting rights, lets make it cut both directions.

Stupid is as stupid does, sir.

By no means is it a hill I'm gonna die on, but age caps on elected government offices make far more sense than term limits. If the offense is in respect to the suggestion of voter age caps, fine then just make it conditional on receiving social security - if you're on the doll and 80+ then no vote for you.

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Fitch said:

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Hot take from a thirty-something: term limits are unnecessary if there's a max age to run for office . . . and to vote. Cap both at 80.

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If the max age to run for office and to vote are the same, then the minimum age to do both should be the same. Nobody under 25 voting for the house, nobody under 30 voting for the senate and nobody under 35 voting for president. If you are too young and inexperienced to hold office then you are too young and inexperienced to vote.

No, I am not serious, but if we are going to pick arbitrary numbers to take away voting rights, lets make it cut both directions.

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I actually have little qualm with the idea of upping age minimums to vote (allowing for a waiver of that if an individual is in the military - sort of a no taxation without representation thing but with life and death).

I'll move off the topic because it's not really germane to the thread, but as a last and only point to make, play out the hypothetical here for me: in general does the 25-35 year old contribute more to the economic output and population growth of the country (and therefore has a meaningful stake in its future), or the octogenarian?

I'm sure there would be some unexpected consequences with term limits, but there is no reason that anybody should spend 30-40 plus years in congress. The longer those people are up there, the more out of touch, or maybe corrupted, they become. You see it with those really old republican congressmen that have been in office for years. Some of them were good at one point, but after years of being up there, they become out of touch with a country and world that's changed since the end of the cold war.

Interesting twist.

We very strategically took every step possible to set this up for the fewest hurdles possible in the senate and maximum chance to force a talking filibuster. It matters how you do things….. https://t.co/oUUsuCxL5a

— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) February 21, 2026

Thanks for clarifying. Verified: The House amended S.1383 (originally a veterans bill) with SAVE America Act text on Feb 10, 2026, passing it 218-213. This makes it privileged in the Senate. The original SAVE Act (from 118th Congress) isn't active; SAVE America is an updated…

— Grok (@grok) February 21, 2026

The only answer is "because no one has ever proven that we need one."

It's a dumb answer, but it's what they'll claim.

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The only answer is "because no one has ever proven that we need one."

It's a dumb answer, but it's what they'll claim.

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And they will do whatever it takes to make sure nobody is ever able to get such proof.

So you want AOC in office for another 40 years?!?!?!!!!!

We absolutely need term limits. And for federal offices it must be a requirement you were born and raised in the USA IMHO.

Age limits don't make sense but term limits do. The latter will take care of the former

Irregardless the midterms will be a bloodbath for the dimtards

If we term limit a president to 8 years, there's no reason why we shouldn't term limit every other elected official to the same.

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So you want AOC in office for another 40 years?!?!?!!!!!

We absolutely need term limits. And for federal offices it must be a requirement you were born and raised in the USA IMHO.

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If we had better informed voters, the term limit question would not be an issue.

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Irregardless the midterms will be a bloodbath for the dimtards

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Where are you getting that from?

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AggieVictor10 said:

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Irregardless the midterms will be a bloodbath for the dimtards

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Where are you getting that from?

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Not the dictionary, I can tell you that.

Our elected officials working their hardest for us. Clearly worried about the important issues.

BREAKING - Just days after Senator John Thune said there was no time to debate and vote on the SAVE Act, it was revealed that senators held a dog parade inside the chamber, bringing their pets in for photos and celebration instead of moving forward on the election bill. pic.twitter.com/PsN8lSEPUZ

— Right Angle News Network (@Rightanglenews) February 26, 2026

Democrats are marxists and republicans suck. Neither party does the will of the voters.

The GOP fiddled while America burned.

I know this is a reply to Red Light Eric - posting b/c of the comments re: Thune's interview (starts at around the 8:55 mark):

There’s something else going on here.

Watch this video.

Thune just stated that he is OK with the vote failing without a talking filibuster, because then Democrats will have to explain themselves before the midterms.

Literally NO ONE thinks that is a good strategy.

Letting… https://t.co/4YvyRsVCEp

— Myrtle (@MyrtlesGirdles) February 26, 2026

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There's something else going on here.

Watch this video.

Thune just stated that he is OK with the vote failing without a talking filibuster, because then Democrats will have to explain themselves before the midterms.

Literally NO ONE thinks that is a good strategy.

Letting something that 80% of the country wants fail just to make Democrats look bad??

That's not a strategy.

That is an excuse.

What is REALLY going on here?!?!?

Why are Republican senators working against a large majority of the country?

Who has been promised what? And why are those promises more important than the American people???

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Wish I had Elons money
I'd tell Thune, Tillis, Murkowski and Collin's they are done unless they get this passed

Guess which states were won by Democrats

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I know this is a reply to Red Light Eric - posting b/c of the comments re: Thune's interview (starts at around the 8:55 mark):

There’s something else going on here.

Watch this video.

Thune just stated that he is OK with the vote failing without a talking filibuster, because then Democrats will have to explain themselves before the midterms.

Literally NO ONE thinks that is a good strategy.

Letting… https://t.co/4YvyRsVCEp

— Myrtle (@MyrtlesGirdles) February 26, 2026

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The only conclusion has to be that the republicans do not want the SAVE Act to pass. That is what their actions show. Believe them.


Neither party believes only Americans should have a vote.

Tillis and McConnell are simply doing it as an outgoing "**** you" to Trump.

Murkowski is doing what she always does.

I was right again

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Won't make it out of the Senate. For all its current flaws, the upper house still steps in to stop unhinged whackadoodlery like this.

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Are you ok with foreigners here legally on a vacation to pop in and vote in a US election?

If you're answer is no, then how can you have the cognitive dissonance to say that a law that would prevent people that are here illegally from voting is a whackadoodle idea?

Also, you have to be 18, how do you verify age easily? With a state issued ID. The same one you use to buy wine, weed or smokes.

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Tillis and McConnell are simply doing it as an outgoing "**** you" to Trump.

Murkowski is doing what she always does.

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McConnell is a China stooge courtesy of his wife. But they are all America last trash.

When people complain about Trump and company not getting stuff done yet, remember just how thick that Swamp really is. It's got all the Dems now (except Fetterman possibly), almost all of the GOPe, and almost all of the federal agencies' employees. This isn't even counting the MSM, Hollywood, or academia and their influences in DC.

It will take all of Trump's last term AND a Vance Presidential win in 2028 to have ANY chance of draining that sucker, if even then.

Oh I agree, the stupidity, greed and ignorance of the voters is a huge problem.

However, per the COTUS a POTUS is limited to two terms, as well a POTUS must be 1) natural-born citizen of the United States, 2) 35+ years old, and 3) a resident in the U.S. for at least 14 years before taking office.

ALL of the above should apply to be in Congress. Period, end of discussion.

Interesting if true. There is so much evidence of systemic fraud that I think it might be justified, and could survive even Biden-Obama judge trial court scrutiny (on appeal to adults).

Trump has previewed a 17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election Per Washington Post

This creates the basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting. pic.twitter.com/GW07AglmwC

— OSZ (@OpenSourceZone) February 26, 2026