Puerto Vallarta Is On Fire - Cartel Leader DEAD! [Staff Message in OP]

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be safe out there, bayou.
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His wife will take over. She was already rumored to be the base of his power. Her family was the cartel the CJNG morphed from after her family was turned on. She was his power base. Yes there will be a struggle because of how CJNG operates (more franchises that pay comiso than a Corporation like Sinaloa cartel that's run top down) but I'd imagine La Jefe takes over if she already hasn't. She has more street cred than Mencho had. Crazy to Believe but true.

She was released 02/2025 from prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalinda_Gonz%C3%A1lez_Valencia
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My Daughter is flying to Guadalajara on thursday for a wedding. How bad of an idea is this?
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You couldnt pay me enough money to be in Jalisco over the next couple of weeks. We live here and are out for 2 weeks for a reason (weve seen mltiple dead bodies before and the head of the Police killed but this is different if that gives you any level of our acclimation to violence here). The Government can't control the cartels.This isn't a one day affair and a wedding is exactly the kind of thing they like to shoot up…

If it was CDMX, I'd say go and have fun. You couldnt get me to visit estado Jalisco for my life right now.
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Kozmozag said:

My Daughter is flying to Guadalajara on thursday for a wedding. How bad of an idea is this?


I wouldn't go. Give it some time to cool off if it does.
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It's a better idea than flying to Tehran, but not by that much, imho. I don't take to telling other people what to do on the internet, but if it were my daughter I'd highly advise to reconsider, even knowing wedding plans/commitments are made etc.

Even if it's a 1:20 chance of significant violence kicking back up, that trip wouldn't be 'worth it' to me. The hypotheticals just aren't fun to plan out.
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Kozmozag said:

My Daughter is flying to Guadalajara on thursday for a wedding. How bad of an idea is this?

Probably the worst idea ever lol. I would cancel that flight asap.
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It's a war zone. Maybe this cools off in a couple months but 2 weeks is WAY too close.

I'd imagine there will still be burned out cars, damaged buildings, and compromised roads in 2 weeks.

Nothing about traveling to this area in 2 weeks seems like a good idea.

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Will the college kids on spring break in Cabo be safe if they still go?
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Bayou City said:

You couldnt pay me enough money to be in Jalisco over the next couple of weeks. We live here and are out for 2 weeks for a reason (weve seen mltiple dead bodies before and the head of the Police killed but this is different if that gives you any level of our acclimation to violence here). The Government can't control the cartels.This isn't a one day affair and a wedding is exactly the kind of thing they like to shoot up…

If it was CDMX, I'd say go and have fun. You couldnt get me to visit estado Jalisco for my life right now.


Are there reports of the cartel physically harming foreign nationals since the el mencho takedown yesterday?
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torrid said:

Is this level of violence in a tourist area unprecedented? I thought there were unwritten rules about keeping the violence away from the tourist hotspots.


My guess is the cartel used to avoid tourist areas to avoid causing a big response from America, and now they don't gaf given how much power they have now.
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No - they're gone out of their way to avoid civilian casualties.

Nation Guard being attacked all over though.

All the civilians in the cars that were burned were escorted away.

Our friends out front of the OXXO that for torched yesterday said they came in w guns, had everyone leave and then popped it once everyone was gone and the store next door was empty.

Not saying they' arent bad but they do seem to be trying to minimize civilizan deaths and go only against the govt.
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Kozmozag said:

My Daughter is flying to Guadalajara on thursday for a wedding. How bad of an idea is this?

We have close family friends that still lives down there (wife grew up and still is in regular contact with her childhood friends) and they are painting a pretty chaotic environment down there even in the high end area of town. The grocery stores are all close and this morning my company reported our call center in Guadalajara is not operating due to the chaos there.

I wouldn't advise traveling down there right now.
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The current structure of the cartels is similar to Iraq 2003-2007, more like cutting the head off a hydra than a snake. Chop one head off and a more venomous one replaces it. We need to learn our lessons on how to take down the cartels.
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That's good to hear I suppose

They have a moral code or rather they don't wanna FAFO with Trump…
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P.U.T.U said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

This coming from the person who ran for president basically unopposed because the Cartel killed the other 37 candidates.






Seen several people report the Mexico army and navy were working with the USA and not their own president to kill the leader of CJNG. I don't think this is going to be a 48-72 hour war.

I also think everything happening the past month is all connected. We have known since around 2012 that Hezbollah and the cartels have been training together in south America in places like Venezuela. Venezuela has known links to China, Russia, and Iran. The cartels have been probing the border with drones and come to find out they sent people to Ukraine to learn drone warfare.

I would not be surprised if taking down Maduro starting this domino effect. Both Venezuela and Iran lost a lot of money that day, the USA is putting a lot of pressure on Iran, the cartels try something around the border and we have to shut airspace down, and now the USA is working directly with the Mexican military without approval of their president.

Crazy times

Official word is the US military helped the out. Word on the street is that ICE was deep into this.
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Bayou City
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Trump way more than moral code. Their moral code is usually $$$$$ and more $$$.
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Kozmozag said:

My Daughter is flying to Guadalajara on thursday for a wedding. How bad of an idea is this?


I have to believe the wedding will be moved. Having a gringo wedding in Mexico right now isn't the smartest.
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Bayou City said:

No - they're gone out of their way to avoid civilian casualties.

Nation Guard being attacked all over though.

All the civilians in the cars that were burned were escorted away.

Our friends out front of the OXXO that for torched yesterday said they came in w guns, had everyone leave and then popped it once everyone was gone and the store next door was empty.

Not saying they' arent bad but they do seem to be trying to minimize civilizan deaths and go only against the govt.


So a mostly peaceful cartel war. Bueno!
Bayou City
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Just putting this Out there because we had the conversation Last night and Not trying to detail or start an off topic conversation but there's no doubt we have friends in both the major cartels and don't know it. Is that good ? Bad? Just a fact of living here? Who knows but to say it isn't true would be naive.
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B-1 83 said:

P.U.T.U said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

This coming from the person who ran for president basically unopposed because the Cartel killed the other 37 candidates.






Seen several people report the Mexico army and navy were working with the USA and not their own president to kill the leader of CJNG. I don't think this is going to be a 48-72 hour war.

I also think everything happening the past month is all connected. We have known since around 2012 that Hezbollah and the cartels have been training together in south America in places like Venezuela. Venezuela has known links to China, Russia, and Iran. The cartels have been probing the border with drones and come to find out they sent people to Ukraine to learn drone warfare.

I would not be surprised if taking down Maduro starting this domino effect. Both Venezuela and Iran lost a lot of money that day, the USA is putting a lot of pressure on Iran, the cartels try something around the border and we have to shut airspace down, and now the USA is working directly with the Mexican military without approval of their president.

Crazy times

Official word is the US military helped the out. Word on the street is that ICE was deep into this.



ICE??
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I love how all the Americans on podcasts have been stating for the past few years"

"oh it's perfectly safe to retire in Mexico!"
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Bayou City said:

I think maduro solidified across alot of LATAM that FAFO isn't the best option and it's 100% on the table always. I think it's made alot of the leaders reassess the personal benefits to being so obtuse to the US. CS is no different. She can't let US troops overtly operate here but she can use Intel and hide behind training operations etc to basically provide the same cooperation minus the press.

Don't forget that Trump historically loved AMLO and has Praised CS. She's a socialista but one he knows how to use and intimdate.

Don't forget that CS and the rest of the MXN govt knows the US has multiple of Chapo's kids and El Mayo. They know way too much about las mordidas so they need to put on a front that they're serious about stopping the drug flow or they're toast.


Also, this kind of went quietly under the radar in the news but I remember reading a WSJ article about her when she was running for office and she very cooperative with US law enforcement and authorities while Mayor of CDMX. She apparently frequently worked with us on crime issues while in that role despite her far left wing ideology. Seems to be bit of a dichotomy in that regard.
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Bayou City said:

Just putting this Out there because we had the conversation Last night and Not trying to detail or start an off topic conversation but there's no doubt we have friends in both the major cartels and don't know it. Is that good ? Bad? Just a fact of living here? Who knows but to say it isn't true would be naive.


Living in Texas, I assume I also have friends in cartels. It's like saying you know someone who works for Amazon. Not trying to be funny, disrespectful, etc. It's a massive organization on both sides of the border.
Bayou City
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The mexicans are more annoyed than anything. They had to shelter in place on their one day off during the week. They're all like why couldnt this happen on monday so we get the day off…
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FriscoKid said:

I'd 100% support sending in ground troops to Mexico to support their government if they are serious about rooting up the cartels. This would only help America and Mexico in the long run.


It's just whack a mole. Kill one and another will take their place. I'm good with killing them, but I don't expect any long term benefit or mitigation. Mexico is what it is.
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Mas89 said:

Will the college kids on spring break in Cabo be safe if they still go?


Were to Cabo 2 years ago and we felt safe in the resort. We ventured out to downtown one day and the taxi driver was telling us the cartels owned all the tourist shops and it was a front for drugs. We had lots of people asking us if we wanted pot, coke etc but we ignored them and they didnt follownus. The bay area was fine with the tourist boats. Definately changed though with the vibe.
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YouBet said:

Bayou City said:

I think maduro solidified across alot of LATAM that FAFO isn't the best option and it's 100% on the table always. I think it's made alot of the leaders reassess the personal benefits to being so obtuse to the US. CS is no different. She can't let US troops overtly operate here but she can use Intel and hide behind training operations etc to basically provide the same cooperation minus the press.

Don't forget that Trump historically loved AMLO and has Praised CS. She's a socialista but one he knows how to use and intimdate.

Don't forget that CS and the rest of the MXN govt knows the US has multiple of Chapo's kids and El Mayo. They know way too much about las mordidas so they need to put on a front that they're serious about stopping the drug flow or they're toast.


Also, this kind of went quietly under the radar in the news but I remember reading a WSJ article about her when she was running for office and she very cooperative with US law enforcement and authorities while Mayor of CDMX. She apparently frequently worked with us on crime issues while in that role despite her far left wing ideology. Seems to be bit of a dichotomy in that regard.

Probably some pragmatism at work...playing as many sides as possible to gain power and try and wrangle enough power to be untouchable.
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ICE is part of the operation as a whole but not sure about this specifically. ICE had to get rid of the key cartel people in the US before this operation to limit cartel revenge attacks.
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AgBQ-00 said:

YouBet said:

Bayou City said:

I think maduro solidified across alot of LATAM that FAFO isn't the best option and it's 100% on the table always. I think it's made alot of the leaders reassess the personal benefits to being so obtuse to the US. CS is no different. She can't let US troops overtly operate here but she can use Intel and hide behind training operations etc to basically provide the same cooperation minus the press.

Don't forget that Trump historically loved AMLO and has Praised CS. She's a socialista but one he knows how to use and intimdate.

Don't forget that CS and the rest of the MXN govt knows the US has multiple of Chapo's kids and El Mayo. They know way too much about las mordidas so they need to put on a front that they're serious about stopping the drug flow or they're toast.


Also, this kind of went quietly under the radar in the news but I remember reading a WSJ article about her when she was running for office and she very cooperative with US law enforcement and authorities while Mayor of CDMX. She apparently frequently worked with us on crime issues while in that role despite her far left wing ideology. Seems to be bit of a dichotomy in that regard.

Probably some pragmatism at work...playing as many sides as possible to gain power and try and wrangle enough power to be untouchable.


Yeah, I was going to add she's got some swamp rat in her. She would likely do well in DC political circles.
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riverrataggie said:

Kozmozag said:

My Daughter is flying to Guadalajara on thursday for a wedding. How bad of an idea is this?


I have to believe the wedding will be moved. Having a gringo wedding in Mexico right now isn't the smartest.

What about a Gringo Honeymoon......
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Bayou City said:

Just putting this Out there because we had the conversation Last night and Not trying to detail or start an off topic conversation but there's no doubt we have friends in both the major cartels and don't know it. Is that good ? Bad? Just a fact of living here? Who knows but to say it isn't true would be naive.


Curious, does this make you watch what you say around your friends? Are you able to speak negatively about the cartels or do you keep your mouth shut on that front?
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Logos Stick said:

FriscoKid said:

I'd 100% support sending in ground troops to Mexico to support their government if they are serious about rooting up the cartels. This would only help America and Mexico in the long run.


It's just whack a mole. Kill one and another will take their place. I'm good with killing them, but I don't expect any long term benefit or mitigation. Mexico is what it is.


That's what we thought about Al queda and isis, but we shut their trap… now, it took trillions and decades though.
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Logos Stick said:

FriscoKid said:

I'd 100% support sending in ground troops to Mexico to support their government if they are serious about rooting up the cartels. This would only help America and Mexico in the long run.


It's just whack a mole. Kill one and another will take their place. I'm good with killing them, but I don't expect any long term benefit or mitigation. Mexico is what it is.

Until they go full El Salvador
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So, what happens to his replacement?
 
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