BlackGold said:
KentK93 said:
fightingfarmer09 said:
As a practicing Catholic my frustration with the church is the same with every organization.
Apply the rules and principles universally.
Pope Leo has an obligation to promote peace between nations. I support that. He also had a major obligation to call out the mass slaughter of protestors in Iran and call on the nations of the world to step in and stop it. But he was silent on this.
The church loves to turn its "snide comments" and rebukes to the US for anything we have ever done with the exception of giving away our treasures to the rest of the world. And when we do this it is always "you could do more".
As a Catholic this is spot on! I would also say the Pope needs to crack open a couple of history books.
I'm sure the pope is vastly more well read than you think you are. The Pope and Catholicism at its core are very socialist because Jesus was. It obviously runs afoul with capitalism, but they're not there to promote capitalism they're there to promote Jesus and his teachings.
This doesn't mean you have to be a socialist to be Catholic though you could argue Jesus would want it that way.
Well if Pope Leo XIV needs to read more about the Crusades & Pope Urban II.
From Raymond Ibrahim book Sword & Scimitar: 14 Centuries of War Between Islam and The West:
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It was in this context that, on November 27, 1095, Pope Urban II (r. 10881099) made his famous appeal to the knights of Christendom. According to Robert the Monk, who may have been present at the Council of Clermont in France, Urban held nothing back: They [Muslim Turks] have completely destroyed some of God's churches and they have converted others to the uses of their own cult [mosques]. They ruin the altars with filth and defilement. They circumcise Christians and smear the blood from the circumcision over the altars or throw it into the baptismal fonts. They are pleased to kill others by cutting open their bellies, extracting the end of their intestines, and tying it to a stake. Then, with flogging, they drive their victims around the stake until, when their viscera have spilled out, they fall dead on the ground. They tie others, again, to stakes and shoot arrows at them; they seize others, stretch out their necks, and try to see whether they can cut off their heads with a single blow of a naked sword. And what shall I say about the shocking rape of women?… Who is to revenge all this, who is to repair this damage, if you do not do it?… Rise up and remember the manly deeds of your ancestors, the prowess and greatness of Charlemagne, of his son Louis, and of your other kings, who destroyed pagan [and Muslim] kingdoms and planted the holy church in their territories.10 When Urban concluded by calling on Western Christians to undertake an armed pilgrimage to Jerusalemboth to help fellow Christians and to liberate the Sepulchre of Christall in assembly, lay and laity alike, shouted a resounding, "God wills it!"
Or read about Pope Sergius IV:
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Similarly, after Egyptian Fatimid caliph Hakim bi-Amr Allah (r. 9961021) ordered the destruction of some thirty thousand churches in Egypt and Greater Syria13including Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulchre, which was torn to its foundations and Christ's tomb vandalized in 1009Pope Sergius IV (d. 1012) issued an encyclical mourning its "destruction," which "plunged the entire church and the city of Rome into deep grief and distress." Accordingly, "with the Lord's help we intend to kill all these enemies and restore the Redeemer's Holy Sepulchre." Christians from everywhere were called to come to the fight and fear nothing, "for God has promised that whoever loses the present life for the sake of Christ will gain another life which he will never lose. For this is not a battle for an earthly kingdom, but for the eternal Lord."14
Or Pope Gregory VII:
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Even Pope Urban's immediate predecessor, Pope Gregory VII (d. 1085), had issued an encyclical three years after Manzikert, "to all who are willing to defend the Christian faith." In it, he descried "a race of pagans"elsewhere he refers to them as "Saracens"who, "with pitiable cruelty has already almost up to the walls of Constantinople laid waste and with tyrannical violence has seized everything; it has slaughtered like cattle many thousands of Christians."15 Grieving was not enough: "The example of our Redeemer and the duty of brotherly love demand that we set our hearts on delivering our siblings. Just as He offered His life for us, so we should offer our lives for our siblings."16
I will leave you with what I read this morning:
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Finally, on June 7, 1099, the crusadersnow a fraction of their original numbersstood before the walls of Jerusalem. They wept with joy and wasted no time in besieging the city. It held out; great thirst set inthe Muslims had earlier poisoned or blocked the local wellsand tempers flared. The Westerners eventually agreed to launch an all-out assault on July 14. Before that day came, and on the advice of a "certain man of God," they "embrace[d] a painful regime of fasting and of continual prayers of devotion."65 The Muslim defenders atop the walls watched in astonishment as the army that had only recently besieged them became a large, barefoot, and unarmed procession. With crosses held high, the knights marched around the walls of Jerusalemin conscious emulation of the ancient Hebrews' procession around Jericho before God delivered it to thembefore congregating at the Mount of Olives, where they heard impassioned sermons. Safe behind their walls, the Muslims jeered; they shot arrows at and killed several Europeans during the procession. And "to further provoke Christians to rage, Saracens [atop the walls] subjected crucifixes to ridicule and shame," wrote a contemporary. "They spat on them and did not even refrain from urinating on them in the sight of all."
Others took care of your misunderstanding on your comment on socialism & Jesus.
Thank you for your attention in this matter!
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