So, it's tied to your phone, only?

What happens if you lose the phone once you've driven somewhere or it breaks/fails?

Just wondering. Not arguing.

Car comes with a key card with an NFC tag embedded in it. You stick the card in your wallet, pair your phone, and if your phone dies you swipe the card on the B pillar under the side repeater camera and the door unlocks. Then you swipe the card on the center console and you get access to start the car.

hph6203 said:

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Car comes with a key card with an NFC tag embedded in it. You stick the card in your wallet, pair your phone, and if your phone dies you swipe the card on the B pillar under the side repeater camera and the door unlocks. Then you swipe the card on the center console and you get access to start the car.

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Thanks!

Makes sense.

It's good to hear there's been some improvements. How are the electronic handles with the hidden emergency latches no one knew about that led to some deaths in the past? Did Tesla fix those too? Just wondering. Not arguing.

The chance of someone getting locked out/Can't start an ICE car is infinitely more common than getting locked out/Can't start a Tesla. I am not even sure why this is even a debate. Just because an event is akin to being stuck by lightening seems dumb to bring up like some Gotcha moment.

Ways to get into a Tesla
1. Have your phone and bluetooth on
2. Take your key card out. This is equivalent to having a pair of keys
3. If all fails, call your spouse and she can open it up/turn it on via cellular.
4. If you are stuck on an ICE key fob, Tsla sells that too and you can carry it on a key change. I have no idea why anyone would want to carry keys around anymore.

#3 happened to my wife. For some reason she couldn't find her phone so she borrowed a friends phone. Quick Text and car opened/started by me.

If you get locked out of a Tesla, you are one in a million.

techno-ag said:

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It's good to hear there's been some improvements. How are the electronic handles with the hidden emergency latches no one knew about that led to some deaths in the past? Did Tesla fix those too? Just wondering. Not arguing.

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Life is a trade off. I am happy to trade having a visible manual door handle for a manual door handle I can easily access that includes tech that most ICE cars could only dream of.

You are just being a troll, bravo. What is next? Some youtube short you saw that Tesla's causes more road damage because of their weight?

Medaggie said:

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The chance of someone getting locked out/Can't start an ICE car is infinitely more common than getting locked out/Can't start a Tesla. I am not even sure why this is even a debate. Just because an event is akin to being stuck by lightening seems dumb to bring up like some Gotcha moment.

Ways to get into a Tesla
1. Have your phone and bluetooth on
2. Take your key card out. This is equivalent to having a pair of keys
3. If all fails, call your spouse and she can open it up/turn it on via cellular.
4. If you are stuck on an ICE key fob, Tsla sells that too and you can carry it on a key change. I have no idea why anyone would want to carry keys around anymore.

#3 happened to my wife. For some reason she couldn't find her phone so she borrowed a friends phone. Quick Text and car opened/started by me.

If you get locked out of a Tesla, you are one in a million.

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The stories I recall which led to the question usually involved wrecks where the driver was unconscious or unable to retrieve their phone. Fire fighters couldn't get the doors open because they're electronic. Someone on here said there's a manual switch but it's not in an obvious place or something. I was curious if this has been addressed in recent models.

Mechanical doors are magical smelling salts that awaken an unconcious person to unlock the door for the firefighter, but electric doors emit knock out gas that ensure they don't wake up to unlock the door. You are so right.

Are Tesla windows unbreakable?

If not, any firefighter would take about 5 seconds to break the windows to save a person.

BigRobSA said:

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Are Tesla windows unbreakable?

If not, any firefighter would take about 5 seconds to break the windows to save a person.

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Seems like Elon thought the Cybertruck windows were. But he was wrong.

They are dual pane lamenated glass on the newer models, which does make them harder to get into, but they are not an impenetrable force.

Person dies in any other vehicle and the presumption is they were unconcious/the car went up in a blaze before they could get out. In a Tesla 100% of those scenarios are presumed because they can't fid the mechanical door release right next to the window controls.

hph6203 said:

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They are dual pane laminated glass on the newer models, which does make them harder to get into, but they are not an impenetrable force.

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Ah, ok....10 seconds.

Haha

For reference:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-design-flaws-fatal-crash-acceleration-door-handles-lawsuit/

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Bystanders couldn't open the doors because the handles do not work from the outside because they also rely on battery power to operate.. The doors also couldn't be opened from inside because the battery had shut off because of the fire, and a manual override button is hard to find and use, the lawsuit alleges.

The heat from the fire prevented bystanders from getting close enough to try to break out the windows.

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Posting stories from when Obama was president. You're really elevating your troll game.

Listen I'll set up a go fund me for you so that you can afford the extra 5-10k for a modern car (EV). You don't have to act out like this.

techno-ag said:

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The stories I recall which led to the question usually involved wrecks where the driver was unconscious or unable to retrieve their phone. Fire fighters couldn't get the doors open because they're electronic. Someone on here said there's a manual switch but it's not in an obvious place or something. I was curious if this has been addressed in recent models.

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So A firefighter wanting to extricate an unresponsive person in an ICE would have an easier time getting into an ICE car than an EV? Is this what you are trying to say?

It takes 5 secs to break glass no matter what car they are. You are making little sense or just a troll. I am hoping for troll

hph6203 said:

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They are dual pane lamenated glass on the newer models, which does make them harder to get into, but they are not an impenetrable force.

Person dies in any other vehicle and the presumption is they were unconcious/the car went up in a blaze before they could get out. In a Tesla 100% of those scenarios are presumed because they can't fid the mechanical door release right next to the window controls.

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If you buy something, I think it is a low bar to expect said buyer to know where the manual latch is.

It is not like they have to solve a math problem before they are allowed to open the door.

techno-ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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The chance of someone getting locked out/Can't start an ICE car is infinitely more common than getting locked out/Can't start a Tesla. I am not even sure why this is even a debate. Just because an event is akin to being stuck by lightening seems dumb to bring up like some Gotcha moment.

Ways to get into a Tesla
1. Have your phone and bluetooth on
2. Take your key card out. This is equivalent to having a pair of keys
3. If all fails, call your spouse and she can open it up/turn it on via cellular.
4. If you are stuck on an ICE key fob, Tsla sells that too and you can carry it on a key change. I have no idea why anyone would want to carry keys around anymore.

#3 happened to my wife. For some reason she couldn't find her phone so she borrowed a friends phone. Quick Text and car opened/started by me.

If you get locked out of a Tesla, you are one in a million.

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The stories I recall which led to the question usually involved wrecks where the driver was unconscious or unable to retrieve their phone. Fire fighters couldn't get the doors open because they're electronic. Someone on here said there's a manual switch but it's not in an obvious place or something. I was curious if this has been addressed in recent models.

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You do realize many ICE cars have similar electronic door handles, right? My wife's 2025 car manual release mechanism is less logical to find than a new Tesla yet it runs on gasoline.

So people don't want EV's unless there's a financial incentive from the government? Things that make you go hmmm...

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So people don't want EV's unless there's a financial incentive from the government? Things that make you go hmmm...

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FWIW, many Tesla owners (including me) were not eligible for the financial incentives when they existed, and yet still bought the car.

HollywoodBQ said:

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NSFW but totally appropriate for the EV bros on this thread

https://instagr.am/p/DXsKwJAEour

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bobbranco said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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NSFW but totally appropriate for the EV bros on this thread

https://instagr.am/p/DXsKwJAEour

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Who knew someone willfully wanting to never advance with technology is using new technology to make fun of those who do.

Pot, kettle? Irony? Both?

Ignore the arrogant annoyance levels emitted.

So enlighten me. Why do I need car, ICE or EV, with electronically-activated door handles instead of simple mechanical ones?

bobbranco said:

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Ignore the arrogant annoyance levels emitted.

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That's all that came across. She could've been literally talking about anything.

And the pissing as the end was on point Calvin peeing on a car brand sticker on the back of a beater pick up truck with truck nuts. I mean, if she's driving anything but would be a surprise.

I heard a horror story about someone driving a gas vehicle and they drove it until it ran out of gas and then threw their keys into a lake and they were unable to start their car.

That's the equivalent of some the posts here

GeorgiAg said:

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I heard a horror story about someone driving a gas vehicle and they drove it until it ran out of gas and then threw their keys into a lake and they were unable to start their car.

That's the equivalent of some the posts here

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That's one way to look at it.

As with anything new, improvements are made along the way and life moves on. Debugging the Tesla, as any piece of hardware, is to be expected.

Unfortunately any commentary is taken as absolute criticism but keep in mind a future decision may be why there are questions and commentary.

I dont' think it's so much criticism as it is skepticism, especially when owners see stories or claims so absurd it raises an eyebrow.

No way I would have bought a Tesla when they first came out, or in 2020 or even 2022. They've really gotten many of the bugs out. It's an engineering marvel now. True FSD is next generation and an absolute gamechanger. Sure, an ICE vehicle could have that, but none do as of now. No EV has it other than Tesla.

If you take away FSD, ICE is hands down better for long trips. Cost is about the same and based upon my calculations based upon my last long trip, a very fuel-efficient ICE actually costs less per trip, even more so if the price of gas goes down.

EV insurance is higher because if the battery gets damaged -$$$$$$. A relatively minor wreck could cost a crap ton more money. More FSD will make that cost go down.

I still love a manual transmission. None of that paddle shifter crap. That will not be with us (in new cars) much longer.

ICE is also better for towing and trucks (for now).

bobbranco said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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NSFW but totally appropriate for the EV bros on this thread

https://instagr.am/p/DXsKwJAEour

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I've said all those things.

Teslag said:

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I dont' think it's so much criticism as it is skepticism, especially when owners see stories or claims so absurd it raises an eyebrow.

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The key fob and lack of cell service was a problem as conveyed in the news article. Could have been Bluetooth operator error, maybe, but the article never mentions Bluetooth.

It's been remedied and life moves on. Does not make the news article false. I find the defensive posturing about any commentary, complaint, criticism as odd.

Thanks for the information about Tesla correcting this cell phone / key fob bug. Have a nice drive today.

GeorgiAg said:

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No way I would have bought a Tesla when they first came out, or in 2020 or even 2022. They've really gotten many of the bugs out. It's an engineering marvel now. True FSD is next generation and an absolute gamechanger. Sure, an ICE vehicle could have that, but none do as of now. No EV has it other than Tesla.

If you take away FSD, ICE is hands down better for long trips. Cost is about the same and based upon my calculations based upon my last long trip, a very fuel-efficient ICE actually costs less per trip, even more so if the price of gas goes down.

EV insurance is higher because if the battery gets damaged -$$$$$$. A relatively minor wreck could cost a crap ton more money. More FSD will make that cost go down.

I still love a manual transmission. None of that paddle shifter crap. That will not be with us (in new cars) much longer.

ICE is also better for towing and trucks (for now).

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Well that's what I'm trying to find out. We've been talking about EVs and their issues for years. I wanted to know if the fob and hidden door handle issues were resolved. Unfortunately any questions as to whether Tesla has resolved things is met with hostility. But such is life on TexAgs.

Thanks for your thoughtful and considerate replies.

Except we've told you before on previous threads that Tesla has had mechanical interior latches for quite some time...


and you keep repeating it and bringing it back up.

bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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I dont' think it's so much criticism as it is skepticism, especially when owners see stories or claims so absurd it raises an eyebrow.

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The key fob and lack of cell service was a problem as conveyed in the news article. Could have been Bluetooth operator error, maybe, but the article never mentions Bluetooth.

It's been remedied and life moves on. Does not make the news article false. I find the defensive posturing about any commentary, complaint, criticism as odd.

Thanks for the information about Tesla correcting this cell phone / key fob bug. Have a nice drive today.

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Or, when seeing a 9 year old article, maybe do some research or ask a question rather than blindly assume it still applies to a rapidly changing technology.

Teslag said:

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Except we've told you before on previous threads that Tesla has had mechanical interior latches for quite some time...


and you keep repeating it and bringing it back up.

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I do recall from the old thread your very self righteous claim as such. But numerous news articles revealed troubles by emergency responders. I think there were also lawsuits over the hidden latches.

Teslag said:

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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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I dont' think it's so much criticism as it is skepticism, especially when owners see stories or claims so absurd it raises an eyebrow.

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The key fob and lack of cell service was a problem as conveyed in the news article. Could have been Bluetooth operator error, maybe, but the article never mentions Bluetooth.

It's been remedied and life moves on. Does not make the news article false. I find the defensive posturing about any commentary, complaint, criticism as odd.

Thanks for the information about Tesla correcting this cell phone / key fob bug. Have a nice drive today.

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Or, when seeing a 9 year old article, maybe do some research or ask a question rather than blindly assume it still applies to a rapidly changing technology.

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I expected no less of a polite and professional response from our resident vaccine proponent.