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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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LOL. Prediction for that time frame? Ten years? Forty years? Sixty years?

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Why would he need to replace the battery?

Teslag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Why would he need to replace the battery?

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So they last for ever? Never need replacement?

nu awlins ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Ignore that and buy your golf cart, citizen!

The EV fanbois bloviating about solid state batteries are way behind on tech. Liquid Metal batteries are the new tech that will fully revolutionize and bring EVs into every household. New developments just last week.

Also last week was another automaker with a hydrogen fuel prototype.

Personally, I will await Mr Fusion to drive my car.

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I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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LOL. Prediction for that time frame? Ten years? Forty years? Sixty years?

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In developed countries I'd say under 20 years. It takes time even to change to something better.

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Teslag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Why would he need to replace the battery?

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So they last for ever? Never need replacement?

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Forever? No. For the useful life of the vehicle yes. Ice engines don't last forever either and require significant maintenance and repair of associated components to keep running for decades.

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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That you are ignorant of reality doesn't mean reality doesn't exist. Fast charging is in production cars now.

In consumer cars now:
BYD flash charging 10-97% in 9 minutes.



In consumer cars this year:

CATL announced new battery capable of 10-90% in 6 minutes

CATL, the world’s largest battery manufacturer, has unveiled its 3rd-generation Shenxing LFP battery.

• 10% to 35% charge in 1 minute
• 10% to 80% in 3 minutes & 44 seconds
• 10% to 90% in 6.5 minutes.
• Even at temps as low as -30°C (-20°F), CATL said it can recharge from… pic.twitter.com/eUc0AVG7kB

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) April 21, 2026

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In Chyna? Or in Teslas?

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I get it. I've seen your posts on the auto board about your 7 series. I had a 740iL when I was in my early twenties and it was awesome. I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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Oh…740 in your early 20's? Hand me down or you just bragging?

nu awlins ag said:

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Teslag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Why would he need to replace the battery?

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So they last for ever? Never need replacement?

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The warranty is 8 years/120k miles, and it appears the vast majority will last way past the warranty. I would estimate 10-12 years or 150k, so a 3 year old Tesla with 40k on it still has most of its life left. I estimate fuel and maintenance savings of at least $2k per year, so after 5 years you will have $10k for a new battery if needed. Most people want a new car after 5-8 years anyway

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I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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LOL. Prediction for that time frame? Ten years? Forty years? Sixty years?

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I agreed with your sentiment as little as a year ago. With the increase in charging infrastructure and FSD where it is and is going, I think your take is not based on the current climate. My wife was not excited at all about getting a Tesla but she didn't push back. She loves to drive and was against getting a FSD subscription. It didn't take 20 minutes for her to admit she was wrong. Once FSD goes unsupervised ice vehicles for commuting will go obsolete.

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techno-ag said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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And every year you keep having to move the goalposts on metrics for EV success. And every year more and more of the EV skeptics on this board keep going to the dark side and buying them.

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Nope. This same metric has been cited by the EV boys a repeatedly on the old threads over the years. "They'll always be better in the near future just you wait and see!"

Utopia is just around the corner.

Trying to imagine the mental ******ation required to think buying cheap Chinese knockoff EV to provide me and my family my reliable and safe transportation.

Cheap Chinese knockoffs is for things like flashlights and vibrators - and various combinations thereof.

Tesla battery design life is 300k to 500k miles

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I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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LOL. Prediction for that time frame? Ten years? Forty years? Sixty years?

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I agreed with your sentiment as little as a year ago. With the increase in charging infrastructure and FSD where it is and is going, I think your take is not based on the current climate. My wife was not excited at all about getting a Tesla but she didn't push back. She loves to drive and was against getting a FSD subscription. It didn't take 20 minutes for her to admit she was wrong. Once we it goes unsupervised ice vehicles got commuting will go obsolete.

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I love my Tesla but there is no reason an ICE vehicle can't match the FSD of an EV. Elon will probably license it to an ICE manufacturer if they can't come up with it on their own

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nu awlins ag said:

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Teslag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Why would he need to replace the battery?

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So they last for ever? Never need replacement?

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The warranty is 8 years/120k miles, and it appears the vast majority will last way past the warranty. I would estimate 10-12 years or 150k, so a 3 year old Tesla with 40k on it still has most of its life left. I estimate fuel and maintenance savings of at least $2k per year, so after 5 years you will have $10k for a new battery if needed. Most people want a new car after 5-8 years anyway

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Most people? Not me. The auto isn't an investment but seems most here think it is. Carry on…

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Trying to imagine the mental ******ation required to think buying cheap Chinese knockoff EV to provide me and my family my reliable and safe transportation.

Cheap Chinese knockoffs is for things like flashlights and vibrators - and various combinations thereof.

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None of the Chinese EV's are available in the US.

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Trying to imagine the mental ******ation required to think buying cheap Chinese knockoff EV to provide me and my family my reliable and safe transportation.

Cheap Chinese knockoffs is for things like flashlights and vibrators - and various combinations thereof.

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None of the Chinese EV's are available in the US.

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If they last like everything else, which I wouldn't doubt, money is better spent elsewhere.

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nu awlins ag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Tesla q1 this year is 6% higher than last year!

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You can get a used one cheap!

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Did you incorporate battery replacement cost?

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Why would he need to replace the battery?

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So they last for ever? Never need replacement?

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The warranty is 8 years/120k miles, and it appears the vast majority will last way past the warranty. I would estimate 10-12 years or 150k, so a 3 year old Tesla with 40k on it still has most of its life left. I estimate fuel and maintenance savings of at least $2k per year, so after 5 years you will have $10k for a new battery if needed. Most people want a new car after 5-8 years anyway

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At the rate of quality decline in post COVID ice vehicles, a $15-20k battery at 200,000 miles in a EV would be on par with what I'm seeing in transmission mainly, and engine replacements in today's $100k family haulers.

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Trying to imagine the mental ******ation required to think buying cheap Chinese knockoff EV to provide me and my family my reliable and safe transportation.

Cheap Chinese knockoffs is for things like flashlights and vibrators - and various combinations thereof.

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None of the Chinese EV's are available in the US.

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Fantastic, but someone said one was in Waco.

They are essentially many spy satellites. Ban them from the roads.

nu awlins ag said:

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Teslag said:

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Trying to imagine the mental ******ation required to think buying cheap Chinese knockoff EV to provide me and my family my reliable and safe transportation.

Cheap Chinese knockoffs is for things like flashlights and vibrators - and various combinations thereof.

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None of the Chinese EV's are available in the US.

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If they last like everything else, which I wouldn't doubt, money is better spent elsewhere.

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Have you seen the reliability of modern ICE engines? Their replacement costs?

It's not 1995 anymore. Basically any new truck purchase requires an extended warranty. Even a Toyota.

Another factor people miss is that EV's have little to no maintenance costs other than tires and wipe fluid. That adds up when considering replacement costs compared to ICE vehicles.

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Teslag said:

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Trying to imagine the mental ******ation required to think buying cheap Chinese knockoff EV to provide me and my family my reliable and safe transportation.

Cheap Chinese knockoffs is for things like flashlights and vibrators - and various combinations thereof.

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None of the Chinese EV's are available in the US.

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If they last like everything else, which I wouldn't doubt, money is better spent elsewhere.

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Have you seen the reliability of modern ICE engines? Their replacement costs?

It's not 1995 anymore. Basically any new truck purchase requires an extended warranty. Even a Toyota.

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I don't drive a Toyota or a truck. Totally meaningless. You're speaking of one vehicle of one maker. I'm not stupid.

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Another factor people miss is that EV's have little to no maintenance costs other than tires and wipe fluid. That adds up when considering replacement costs compared to ICE vehicles.

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If all they need is wiper fluid and tires, then why the hell would one need an 8yr/120k mi warranty I order to sell the car?

I purchased our first EV (a Tesla) and it is hands-down the best car I've ever had

My wife still has her Yukon, but honestly, we're thinking about dumping that for an X.

I still have my Chevy ZR2 truck because I still like to do some camping and stuff and the cyber truck is just too heavy.

If they came out with a small smaller truck with four-wheel-drive, I'd probably never own anything else

Anybody knocking on electric/tesla just has never owned one

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I get it. I've seen your posts on the auto board about your 7 series. I had a 740iL when I was in my early twenties and it was awesome. I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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Oh…740 in your early 20's? Hand me down or you just bragging?

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Neither but thanks for your insecurity

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Teslas are just so ugly, and rode in one when an uber driver picked me up and it was the most uncomfortable rattle trap ive ever been in.

Also, if they are so fast, why I am I constantly stuck behind one on the highway?

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This was exactly my experience until I drove in a newish Model Y. It was extremely smooth and comfortable. Tesla has come a long way with their suspension. I personally don't know why Elon doesn't make a somewhat normal looking truck instead of the CyberTruck which looks like it's made to drive on the moon. He's missing a big segment of the market. That said, the 2026 Model Y looks good to me and is an extremely smooth ride and most importantly has FSD…

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Because they are not suitable for our needs and decline to spend big money to be impractical?

How many 18 wheelers are EV? Why not? How many EV school buses have actually worked? How many EV city buses work? NONE for longer than a few months.

Fix those and then those of us that need HP and torque and towing ability will take more looks.

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Anybody knocking on electric/tesla just has never owned one

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Because they are not suitable for our needs and decline to spend big money to be impractical?

How many 18 wheelers are EV? Why not? How many EV school buses have actually worked? How many EV city buses work? NONE for longer than a few months.

Fix those and then those of us that need HP and torque and towing ability will take more looks.

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I said Electric AND Tesla.

You are about to see a **** ton of Tesla 18 wheelers.

Yeah, it's not for everyone.

I have three personal vehicles and only one of them is a Tesla right now. If they made a model that fit my off-road boondocks needs I'd buy a Tesla.

It doesn't fit every situation obviously.

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Teslas are just so ugly, and rode in one when an uber driver picked me up and it was the most uncomfortable rattle trap ive ever been in.

Also, if they are so fast, why I am I constantly stuck behind one on the highway?

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This was exactly my experience until I drove in a newish Model Y. It was extremely smooth and comfortable. Tesla has come a long way with their suspension. I personally don't know why Elon doesn't make a somewhat normal looking truck instead of the CyberTruck which looks like it's made to drive on the moon. He's missing a big segment of the market. That said, the 2026 Model Y looks good to me and is an extremely smooth ride and most importantly has FSD…

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The FSD is huge and why I'm only interested in a Tesla if their lineup matches what I need.

Model Y is great. It's what I have and TXAG05 is full of it. Unless he rode in a damaged one it is not anything like he said. He might also be really fat if he can't feel comfortable in the back seat.

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I get it. I've seen your posts on the auto board about your 7 series. I had a 740iL when I was in my early twenties and it was awesome. I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation

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Oh…740 in your early 20's? Hand me down or you just bragging?

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Neither but thanks for your insecurity

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Typical response! Thank you!! No insecurities at all, in fact I'm laughing.

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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Have you test driven one?
I was an EV sceptic, until I drove a Tesla.
Holy smokes, that thing will change your mind. 3 minutes in I was sold. Haven't regretted it.
In 10 years, I haven't met a single Tesla owner that doesn't love their car.

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You know there's a stereotype, right?

There is a certain demographic who absolutely love them and I see them on the Seawall every Sunday afternoon.

Heck, it was even a story line in the show "Silicon Valley"

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StereoTypes are for a reason.
Ironically i didn't know of the stereotype, when purchasing. We were going to test drive a Mustang GT.
Wife insisted we try out Tesla. I am not exaggerating. 3 minutes. And I was sold.


Told our best friends we bought a Tesla. "Of course you did".
That's when we learnt about the stereotype.It's in our blood, I guess.

I don't really care if people want to buy EV's that's their prerogative, but I think the push for them under the Biden administration was just full-on ******ed.

We do not have the massive infrastructure to support that many of them. Won't have it in my lifetime, possibly in the future at some point.

I would think you'd be smarter at least buying a hybrid.

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techno-ag said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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Have you test driven one?
I was an EV sceptic, until I drove a Tesla.
Holy smokes, that thing will change your mind. 3 minutes in I was sold. Haven't regretted it.
In 10 years, I haven't met a single Tesla owner that doesn't love their car.

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You know there's a stereotype, right?

There is a certain demographic who absolutely love them and I see them on the Seawall every Sunday afternoon.

Heck, it was even a story line in the show "Silicon Valley"

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StereoTypes are for a reason.
Ironically i didn't know of the stereotype, when purchasing. We were going to test drive a Mustang GT.
Wife insisted we try out Tesla. I am not exaggerating. 3 minutes. And I was sold.


Told our best friends we bought a Tesla. "Of course you did".
That's when we learnt about the stereotype.It's in our blood, I guess.

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I mean, you'd think it made slushies or something.