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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Especially GenXers, who were born before calculators existed, now do shopping on their phones and quantum mechanics on their laptops, get skinny shots, yet nonetheless force themselves to believe that technology is static because orange man doesn't like windmills.

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Full on green energy is suicide. That's common knowledge. See Europe.

Green energy has its place as a supplemental source of energy and only where it makes sense based on local conditions.

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I drove from North Austin to Corpus which was close to a 500 mile trip. My Tesla Y has 85K miles so maxes out at 280mile. Drove right to the outskirts of Corpus, charged for 10 minutes. Had a meeting, turned around and went to the same charger. Stopped for about 20 minutes and got home

I drive From Austin to CS all the time and roundtrip about 250 miles. My new Telsa would have made the trip without charging. Now with 280 vs 320 range, I would stop for about 5 minutes to get back home with 10% charge. My workplace in CS has a charger so I never need to charge for a RT from Austin to CS.

300 miles adds very little extra time for charging.

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Sitting in the back seat of an uber, you're not going to intervene either

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I'm grabbing the steering wheel like I'm Trump in his Presidential limo!!!!

I bought my 1st EV which was a 2021 MY when it first came out. Had 80K miles and someone totaled it.

Got my 2nd EV which was a 2023 MY. Have 80 Miles on it currently.

My wife, who hates tech, loved her minivan and reluctant to drive the MY. Once she did, she preferred it over the minivan. I did not have to do much convincing and she switched to the MX, which is an amazing car.

My 17 yr old got a Bolt (Handed down from her Cousin) but will be getting a 2026 MY on her 18th Bday this yr.

My 15 yr old will get the bolt (Good car to learn on). When he turns 18, he will get a 2028 MY.

My 13 yr old will get the bolt in 2028 and will get a 2030 MY when it is his turn. Bolt will be handed down to someone else.

Currently we have 3 EVs and soon to be a 4th. No ICE and doubt I will ever get an ICE again.

Teslas are essentially maintenance free. Range is never an issue for me anymore. If I have to drive more than 12 hrs, I am flying. For a 12 hr drive, there is little difference than an ICE car. Tech is superior. FSD is curring edge and will kill the big 3 unless they license it. I drive FSD 80-90% of the time. I enjoy driving but once you adopt FSD, driving seems primitive.

MSRP is no issue anymore. I see very little advantage to an ICE and thus we will have a 4 EV/0 ICE household very soon.

You clearly don't know what ur talking bout. All dem EVs gonna conk out any minute!

I don't know what you gas people are going on about either. My grandpappy tought me that horse and buggies are far superior. Just a quick stop for some hay anywhere and water and I'm I'm back on the road. Y'all got gas flowing through streams? I can refuel anywhere.

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How many years ago did I start that very long running thread about how EVs are for a niche market? Remove the subsidies and that niche market will define itself.

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You chest pound but little do you know that you were proven wrong.

I staunchly vote R too. I am not sure why EVs become R vs D.

They keep getting better. I don't want one yet. I'm still driving two big V8 SUVs. My next vehicle might be a hybrid (or at least a turbo charged V6). I keep vehicles a long time, so I don't know what my next, next will be.

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I staunchly vote R too. I am not sure why EVs become R vs D.

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Think it had something to do with the government putting its thumb on the scale to lift up EVs and hamstring ICE vehicles. Could be wrong though.

As for me, until there is an EV that can meet the needs of my family for a budget that suits my family I will continue to drive ICE vehicles.

I find it funny how Libs loved EVs/Tsla until Musk supported DJT. Now they hate Tsla.
Conservatives hated EVs/Tsla b/c it was a "Left" product. Now, I guess it is a "Right" Product.

I guess no one wants EVs but Tsla continues to be the best selling model in the world. This shows you how superior Tsla is in the EV market compared to its competitors. A "Niche" product that is the best selling car model.

LEO's in EV's are more likely to enforce battery charges.

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infinity ag said:

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I drove from North Austin to Corpus which was close to a 500 mile trip. My Tesla Y has 85K miles so maxes out at 280mile. Drove right to the outskirts of Corpus, charged for 10 minutes. Had a meeting, turned around and went to the same charger. Stopped for about 20 minutes and got home

I drive From Austin to CS all the time and roundtrip about 250 miles. My new Telsa would have made the trip without charging. Now with 280 vs 320 range, I would stop for about 5 minutes to get back home with 10% charge. My workplace in CS has a charger so I never need to charge for a RT from Austin to CS.

300 miles adds very little extra time for charging.

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Looks like a very good thing to me.

Not sure why many here start dancing whenever there is bad news about EVs.

Pricing is probably deceptive because the China sales price is less than US's,

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aggiehawg said:

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How many years ago did I start that very long running thread about how EVs are for a niche market? Remove the subsidies and that niche market will define itself.

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You chest pound but little do you know that you were proven wrong.

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Subsidies are gone. The niche has and is defining itself.

I don't understand the attempts at one upmanship.

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Medaggie said:

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infinity ag said:

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I drove from North Austin to Corpus which was close to a 500 mile trip. My Tesla Y has 85K miles so maxes out at 280mile. Drove right to the outskirts of Corpus, charged for 10 minutes. Had a meeting, turned around and went to the same charger. Stopped for about 20 minutes and got home

I drive From Austin to CS all the time and roundtrip about 250 miles. My new Telsa would have made the trip without charging. Now with 280 vs 320 range, I would stop for about 5 minutes to get back home with 10% charge. My workplace in CS has a charger so I never need to charge for a RT from Austin to CS.

300 miles adds very little extra time for charging.

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Looks like a very good thing to me.

Not sure why many here start dancing whenever there is bad news about EVs.

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They might just be "drill , baby, drill" oil folk who are against anything that either liberals like (green energy EVs) or that negatively impacts the oil industry.

That or maybe they just don't like progress and are still driving cars with carburetors and no power steering and no AC?

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infinity ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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infinity ag said:

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I drove from North Austin to Corpus which was close to a 500 mile trip. My Tesla Y has 85K miles so maxes out at 280mile. Drove right to the outskirts of Corpus, charged for 10 minutes. Had a meeting, turned around and went to the same charger. Stopped for about 20 minutes and got home

I drive From Austin to CS all the time and roundtrip about 250 miles. My new Telsa would have made the trip without charging. Now with 280 vs 320 range, I would stop for about 5 minutes to get back home with 10% charge. My workplace in CS has a charger so I never need to charge for a RT from Austin to CS.

300 miles adds very little extra time for charging.

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Looks like a very good thing to me.

Not sure why many here start dancing whenever there is bad news about EVs.

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They might just be "drill , baby, drill" oil folk who are against anything that either liberals like (green energy EVs) or that negatively impacts the oil industry.

That or maybe they just don't like progress and are still driving cars with carburetors and no power steering and no AC?

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Yes, that's it.
Ultimately it is about money. The oil-heads here don't like EVs, it is pretty logical.

And being "conservative" means they want to conserve life as it was during their childhoods in the 50s or 60s.

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Medaggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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How many years ago did I start that very long running thread about how EVs are for a niche market? Remove the subsidies and that niche market will define itself.

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You chest pound but little do you know that you were proven wrong.

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Subsidies are gone. The niche has and is defining itself.

I don't understand the attempts at one upmanship.

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2025 Worldwide BEV (Battery only) was 20% and 60% in China (Largest car market).

2025 worldwide Iphone sale was 20%. I am not sure if I should call Apple a Niche player or 2nd most valuable company in the world.

This reminds me when all the tech bros said the iphone was a gimmick. I wonder what Blackberry does now?

You will find that most who are Never Ev-ers have never given the car a chance. Once they do, they will be like blackberry tech bros.

What's the best EV car out there right now? Tesla? I love cool tech. I am not a fan of Tesla's looks though.
I am in the market for a car this year or next (no hurry)

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The following table summarizes the BEV market share by region for the fourth quarter of 2025:

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BEV Market Share (%)
Global 20%
United States 5.7%
Europe Approximately 23-25%
China Nearly 50%

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Full Self Driving (Supervised) is truly amazing. You should go take a test drive a new Model Y Premium RWD. It is smooth and comfortable, plenty of juice. I like the look of the new Model Y.

infinity ag said:

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What's the best EV car out there right now? Tesla? I love cool tech. I am not a fan of Tesla's looks though.
I am in the market for a car this year or next (no hurry)

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For US EV market it's pretty much Tesla and everyone else

Still waiting for the EV that can match what I need my vehicles to do for the price that I'm willing to pay. Got any ideas?

Vehicle 1: take 6 people and a camper from Texas to Colorado. Under $20K

Vehicle 2: Tow a gooseneck trailer loaded up to 20,000 lbs. move 6 people if vehicle 1 is unavailable. Under $25K

Vehicle 3: payload of 10,000 lbs. 6 wheel drive. EMP proof. I'll admit this one is more for fun but it's a heck of a lot of fun.

Vehicle 4: keep it around because it's got over 1/4 million miles on it and it's a good back up. Or can loan out if a friend needs a car. A cyber truck or Rivian could functionally match what I do with this one but I would be out a stupid amount of money.

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infinity ag said:

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What's the best EV car out there right now? Tesla? I love cool tech. I am not a fan of Tesla's looks though.
I am in the market for a car this year or next (no hurry)

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For US EV market it's pretty much Tesla and everyone else

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If I were to get an EV, it'd be a Tesla.

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Still waiting for the EV that can match what I need my vehicles to do for the price that I'm willing to pay. Got any ideas?

Vehicle 1: take 6 people and a camper from Texas to Colorado. Under $20K

Vehicle 2: Tow a gooseneck trailer loaded up to 20,000 lbs. move 6 people if vehicle 1 is unavailable. Under $25K

Vehicle 3: payload of 10,000 lbs. 6 wheel drive. EMP proof. I'll admit this one is more for fun but it's a heck of a lot of fun.

Vehicle 4: keep it around because it's got over 1/4 million miles on it and it's a good back up. Or can loan out if a friend needs a car. A cyber truck or Rivian could functionally match what I do with this one but I would be out a stupid amount of money.

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None can do that, but you can have an ICE and an EV at the same time. It's legal...for now.

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Teslag said:

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infinity ag said:

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What's the best EV car out there right now? Tesla? I love cool tech. I am not a fan of Tesla's looks though.
I am in the market for a car this year or next (no hurry)

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For US EV market it's pretty much Tesla and everyone else

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If I were to get an EV, it'd be a Tesla.

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Same here.

Don't think any EV will work to replace my top 3. Could be wrong though.

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Teslag said:

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infinity ag said:

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What's the best EV car out there right now? Tesla? I love cool tech. I am not a fan of Tesla's looks though.
I am in the market for a car this year or next (no hurry)

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For US EV market it's pretty much Tesla and everyone else

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If I were to get an EV, it'd be a Tesla.

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For a guy who used to have a Trailblazer SUV with horsepower to spare, Tesla is definitely not what I expected.

I've been contemplating getting a plug-in hybrid. Not ready to fully commit to electric yet.

No Spin Ag said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Teslag said:

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infinity ag said:

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What's the best EV car out there right now? Tesla? I love cool tech. I am not a fan of Tesla's looks though.
I am in the market for a car this year or next (no hurry)

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For US EV market it's pretty much Tesla and everyone else

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If I were to get an EV, it'd be a Tesla.

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For a guy who used to have a Trailblazer SUV with horsepower to spare, Tesla is definitely not what I expected.

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I didn't say "I'm going to get a Tesla". Just that, if I were looking at EVs, my choice would (logically) be a Tesla. They're far and away the industry leader. I'm not looking at EVs. I drive a beater-ass ImpHolla!! right now.

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Still waiting for the EV that can match what I need my vehicles to do for the price that I'm willing to pay. Got any ideas?

Vehicle 1: take 6 people and a camper from Texas to Colorado. Under $20K

Vehicle 2: Tow a gooseneck trailer loaded up to 20,000 lbs. move 6 people if vehicle 1 is unavailable. Under $25K

Vehicle 3: payload of 10,000 lbs. 6 wheel drive. EMP proof. I'll admit this one is more for fun but it's a heck of a lot of fun.

Vehicle 4: keep it around because it's got over 1/4 million miles on it and it's a good back up. Or can loan out if a friend needs a car. A cyber truck or Rivian could functionally match what I do with this one but I would be out a stupid amount of money.

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Here's are my use cases where EV is a bad idea, Checkmate EV bros!

Our use cases are different.

No Spin Ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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infinity ag said:

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I drove from North Austin to Corpus which was close to a 500 mile trip. My Tesla Y has 85K miles so maxes out at 280mile. Drove right to the outskirts of Corpus, charged for 10 minutes. Had a meeting, turned around and went to the same charger. Stopped for about 20 minutes and got home

I drive From Austin to CS all the time and roundtrip about 250 miles. My new Telsa would have made the trip without charging. Now with 280 vs 320 range, I would stop for about 5 minutes to get back home with 10% charge. My workplace in CS has a charger so I never need to charge for a RT from Austin to CS.

300 miles adds very little extra time for charging.

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Looks like a very good thing to me.

Not sure why many here start dancing whenever there is bad news about EVs.

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They might just be "drill , baby, drill" oil folk who are against anything that either liberals like (green energy EVs) or that negatively impacts the oil industry.

That or maybe they just don't like progress and are still driving cars with carburetors and no power steering and no AC?

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You seem to know very little about Oil & Gas 'folk'.

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94chem said:

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GAC06 said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Especially GenXers, who were born before calculators existed, now do shopping on their phones and quantum mechanics on their laptops, get skinny shots, yet nonetheless force themselves to believe that technology is static because orange man doesn't like windmills.

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Full on green energy is suicide. That's common knowledge. See Europe.

Green energy has its place as a supplemental source of energy and only where it makes sense based on local conditions.

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You mean "See Germany." France still has a strong nuclear power program.

Agreed. So the blackberry comparisons are stupid and the government shouldn't be in the business of putting its thumb on the scale. EVs work great for some people. It would just be an added expense for my family.

I will be interested to see what happens in the countries heavily reliant on imported oil and its products that are in a world of hurt right now because they can't even get their fuel. Many of these, especially in Asia, have had substantial EV adoption rates. Do they increase adoption of nukes and other electric generation methods that don't rely on Hormuz which has been shown is easy to close? If so, EVs could gain even more share rapidly in those countries. The Chinese EVs appear to have developed into solid vehicles for those markets based on sales price, range and charging times.

In places like the US with access to oil although at a higher price if Hormuz is shut, I think ICE will continue to dominate the market.

So to OP I think the key is which countries are you talking about when you want to discuss EV adoption and if it is rising or falling. Globally, it is clearly continuing to increase in sales while in the US and some other countries, it is falling.