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He was bought, just like every single President and Congressman in history.

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Someone bought him to do what, exactly? Raise gas prices? Piss off other countries with America-focused trade policies?

Politics by nature lends itself to people trying to buy influence from leaders. I just find it hilarious that some people all of a sudden care A LOT about it under a President who has been the least likely to play that game because he does things more his way and he doesn't need the golden parachute. So it was acceptable in the past. But now it's so bad that they HAVE to speak out about it. Right.

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He's working on paying back some of that $250Million in Iran right now. He's not an idiot, he doesn't want to be over there in an unwinnable 'not a war' war getting trashed by a fairly large number of his voters.

I'm glad you find it funny and still find a way to support your team even though your team is no different than the other. It's why we will never get off this Merry go Round of suck as a Country.

Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. Never claimed he was, but your proof that he isn't... Well that was more so proof that he is

Maybe some projection and presumption here? I need to see evidence. Trump has a LONG documented history of being solidly patriotic, very anti Iran, and fairly consistent. He just says or types what he thinks pretty much right out in the open. I don't see a lot of evidence of secretive plotting going on. I do see a lot of conjecture presuming it.

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He's not compromised lol

He was bought, just like every single President and Congressman in history.
Sometimes they have domestic buyers, sometimes foreign. But they're all bought.

Last time I checked, people don't hand out a quarter of a billion dollars for nothing.

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A multi billionaire is using a position that puts him literally in the line of fire so he can graft off people using his office for bribery and corruption?

When he could use his name, celebrity and the fact he was already a former potus to graft off those same people?

Yea, still not making a bit of sense.

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Lmao

He wasn't a "multi billionaire" before all of this. He was a reality TV star/genius (a very successful one, and still is I will add). This notoriety and position as President has made him and his family 10x more money than they ever had through both publicity as well as corrupt good ole boy deals. Just like every other President ever, only more so. He's not the President out of the goodness of his heart lol

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By all public estimates he was worth around $4 billion before becoming POTUS. That information is easily sourced.

Why would you blatantly misrepresent that? And 10x would make his net worth $40 billion, which he may out that on a loan application but it's not reality.

He very much is POTUS this 2nd term for no other reason than he wants to make America great (and to prove guys like you wrong).

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Maybe some projection and presumption here? I need to see evidence. Trump has a LONG documented history of being solidly patriotic, very anti Iran, and fairly consistent. He just says or types what he thinks pretty much right out in the open. I don't see a lot of evidence of secretive plotting going on. I do see a lot of conjecture presuming it.

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Nothing they do anymore is a secret, it's all out in the open. They know the other team will hate them no matter what, and their team will find a way to support them no matter what. Such is life in Idiocracy. What they won't let us know is that they are on the same team working very hard everyday to keep most of us sensible Americans fighting each other instead of fighting them.

He's playing a long game, that many on here and especially the Dems don't see. He is giving multiple chances for the "right" thing to happen with Iran. Clearly, they are not going to do it. That said, each day he waits and then puts an end to the nonsense, the stability comes back and the oil price goes down close to the election he will see a great win.

The press, the opposition will try, but in doing so they will be exposed. Every item they have screamed about has not happened. He will do whats best and put an end to this long overdue situation.

The country is center based, and I believe he is doing this to bring the country together. One man's opinion.

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I'm glad you find it funny and still find a way to support your team even though your team is no different than the other.

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Ah yes the "Your team is no different than the other team so nothing you say matters and I'm right" narrative. How convenient.

Trump fell into the same trap that's tempted Presidents of past years, and the success of the Venezuela mission that got Maduro only emboldened him more.

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Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. Never claimed he was, but your proof that he isn't... Well that was more so proof that he is

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Says the person who claims his term has been a failure without providing any proof that it is.

People like you are too lazy, or too afraid, to provide your own policy positions or logic...so you play the false narrative of putting the burden of proof on everyone else.

It's quite predictable.

Not half as bad as falling into the trap of comparing an apple to an orange.

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Maybe some projection and presumption here? I need to see evidence. Trump has a LONG documented history of being solidly patriotic, very anti Iran, and fairly consistent. He just says or types what he thinks pretty much right out in the open. I don't see a lot of evidence of secretive plotting going on. I do see a lot of conjecture presuming it.

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It's the new "Russia, Russia, Russia!".

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Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. Never claimed he was, but your proof that he isn't... Well that was more so proof that he is

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Says the person who claims his term has been a failure without providing any proof that it is.

People like you are too lazy, or too afraid, to provide your own policy positions or logic...so you play the false narrative of putting the burden of proof on everyone else.

It's quite predictable.

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Never said it was a failure, just that he has broken many campaign promises, especially those around wars and the economy. Granted he has kept some too (i.e immigration), but should he not also be held accountable for those broken? Did he not promise "No more wars" or that he would "end wars" (singling out Russia)? Gas under $2? Ending inflation? If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

I'd like to keep this on topic, or you can go ahead, keep moving the goalpost and putting words in my mouth.

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If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

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So you're unwilling to do it. That's pretty much what I thought.

You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts and spinning every issue into a negative for his first term. I didn't bring that up, you did.

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Watching Trump die-hards (fewer and fewer of them every day) get ratio'd on an overwhelmingly friendly forum for team Trump shows us plain as day that the worm has turned.

Shrink the government, no new wars, gut spending, gut regulations. Time for the real America party to get started. Let's ride.

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Possibly people are just getting tired of responding to the same. Terrible takes over and over again...
Many people have TDS. We get it. People with the brain who supported Trump before still support him. Most people who have some sense of history and have been in this world long enough to know what Iran stands for and the mess that they make in the world fully support actions against Iran. The Iran issue was not of Trump's making.

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People with a brain think for themselves. When someone campaigns on putting Americans first, no new wars and bringing the Epstein rapist to justice then does the complete opposite I would expect people to question it. Iran was no more a threat this time around then they were the first time. Actually they were less they feared Trump.

The only difference is you had the Adllesons pumping 200 million into his campaign. Those things like that come with strings attached right? We can at least agree on that? So if it true that she gave Trump 200 million and if its true that Trumps words "she only wants to talk about Israel" im sure you can at least see others point of view.

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Funny to see people wring their hands about how awful of a decision Iraq was for the last 20 years, only to turn around and beg for the same gameplan in Iran now.

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How much do you want to bet that we are not boots in the ground in Iran for the next decade?

I'll give you 5 to 1 odds.

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Trump is enjoying an 84% approval rating amongst his supporters, down from 85% this time in 2018. And that's according to CNN.

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Saying Trump has strong approval among people who strongly approve of him is a meaningless tautology.

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I thought that Trump was a cult of personality, and he had 100% support from his supporters 100% of the time?

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Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. Never claimed he was, but your proof that he isn't... Well that was more so proof that he is

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Says the person who claims his term has been a failure without providing any proof that it is.

People like you are too lazy, or too afraid, to provide your own policy positions or logic...so you play the false narrative of putting the burden of proof on everyone else.

It's quite predictable.

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Never said it was a failure, just that he has broken many campaign promises, especially those around wars and the economy. Granted he has kept some too (i.e immigration), but should he not also be held accountable for those broken? Did he not promise "No more wars" or that he would "end wars" (singling out Russia)? Gas under $2? Ending inflation? If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

I'd like to keep this on topic, or you can go ahead, keep moving the goalpost and putting words in my mouth.

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Trump kept some of his campaign promises, and in a positive way.

That makes him better than 99% of federal politicians, if you haven't been keeping track.

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FWTXAg said:

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He was bought, just like every single President and Congressman in history.

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Someone bought him to do what, exactly? Raise gas prices? Piss off other countries with America-focused trade policies?

Politics by nature lends itself to people trying to buy influence from leaders. I just find it hilarious that some people all of a sudden care A LOT about it under a President who has been the least likely to play that game because he does things more his way and he doesn't need the golden parachute. So it was acceptable in the past. But now it's so bad that they HAVE to speak out about it. Right.

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Has it ever been this much in our face? Has a American Ambassador ever met with a convicted traitor? Has a president ever admitted to someone giving him 200 million and saying the only thing she wants to talk about is another country? I know they all do but at least lie to me about it. Cover it up a little.

Dont tell me Epstein was a democrat hoax when we all know he was a agent for Israel.

Its at least a little strange Maxwell getting the super star treatment in club fed? I thought it was because she was going to spill the beans and when democrats argued it was Trump trying to keep her quiet I didn't believe them. Now I do.

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FWTXAg said:

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He was bought, just like every single President and Congressman in history.

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Someone bought him to do what, exactly? Raise gas prices? Piss off other countries with America-focused trade policies?

Politics by nature lends itself to people trying to buy influence from leaders. I just find it hilarious that some people all of a sudden care A LOT about it under a President who has been the least likely to play that game because he does things more his way and he doesn't need the golden parachute. So it was acceptable in the past. But now it's so bad that they HAVE to speak out about it. Right.

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Has it ever been this much in our face? Has a American Ambassador ever met with a convicted traitor? Has a president ever admitted to someone giving him 200 million and saying the only thing she wants to talk about is another country? I know they all do but at least lie to me about it. Cover it up a little.

Dont tell me Epstein was a democrat hoax when we all know he was a agent for Israel.

Its at least a little strange Maxwell getting the super star treatment in club fed? I thought it was because she was going to spill the beans and when democrats argued it was Trump trying to keep her quiet I didn't believe them. Now I do.

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I thought that only MAGA was supposed to be the ones dabbling in conspiracy theories?

The level of tin foil hat on this is 67% Orson Wells.

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If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

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So you're unwilling to do it. That's pretty much what I thought.

You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts and spinning every issue into a negative for his first term. I didn't bring that up, you did.

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ooof so close. These are second term promises. Good try though

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Funny to see people wring their hands about how awful of a decision Iraq was for the last 20 years, only to turn around and beg for the same gameplan in Iran now.

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How much do you want to bet that we are not boots in the ground in Iran for the next decade?

I'll give you 5 to 1 odds.

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Maybe you should try reading my posts more slowly. No, I don't think we'll be boots on the ground for a decade, and I've made that clear with many posts. I'm mocking anyone asking for it now after blasting how we handled Iraq

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He was bought, just like every single President and Congressman in history.

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Someone bought him to do what, exactly? Raise gas prices? Piss off other countries with America-focused trade policies?

Politics by nature lends itself to people trying to buy influence from leaders. I just find it hilarious that some people all of a sudden care A LOT about it under a President who has been the least likely to play that game because he does things more his way and he doesn't need the golden parachute. So it was acceptable in the past. But now it's so bad that they HAVE to speak out about it. Right.

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Has it ever been this much in our face? Has a American Ambassador ever met with a convicted traitor? Has a president ever admitted to someone giving him 200 million and saying the only thing she wants to talk about is another country? I know they all do but at least lie to me about it. Cover it up a little.

Dont tell me Epstein was a democrat hoax when we all know he was a agent for Israel.

Its at least a little strange Maxwell getting the super star treatment in club fed? I thought it was because she was going to spill the beans and when democrats argued it was Trump trying to keep her quiet I didn't believe them. Now I do.

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So the aliens did it?

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If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

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So you're unwilling to do it. That's pretty much what I thought.

You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts and spinning every issue into a negative for his first term. I didn't bring that up, you did.

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ooof so close. These are second term promises. Good try though

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Your opinion of him will be no different than his first term, so it doesn't really matter. You're not going to like him no matter what he does. Good try though.

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If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

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So you're unwilling to do it. That's pretty much what I thought.

You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts and spinning every issue into a negative for his first term. I didn't bring that up, you did.

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ooof so close. These are second term promises. Good try though

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Your opinion of him will be no different than his first term, so it doesn't really matter. You're not going to like him no matter what he does. Good try though.

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Well I voted for him after the first term so............... But go on, keep falsely attributing if it helps you sleep better. Fun fact: you can break away from the hivemind

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How much do you want to bet that we are not boots in the ground in Iran for the next decade?

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I hope you're right.

If you're correct, that will be good news for many worried American mothers and grandmothers of our military, but very disappointing news to Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro who want nothing more than for 200k of America's military to be sent to Iran to fight a ground war and force regime change.

Eventually the strait must be reopened. Today is Day 73. Until something changes, it appears the U.S. is caught 'twixt and 'tween a rock and a hard place.

Trump and Pete Hegseth and Mike Huckabee and Jared Kushner and Mike Johnson and Steve Witcoff and AIPAC and Mark Levin and all the 'Greater Israel' Zionist donors and PACs and Israel Firsters put us there.

As Ian Bremer said this morning: "Iranians sure do have an odd way of unconditionally surrendering."

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How much do you want to bet that we are not boots in the ground in Iran for the next decade?

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I hope you're right.

If you're correct, that will be good news for many worried American mothers and grandmothers of our military, but very disappointing news to Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro who want nothing more than for 200k of America's military to be sent to Iran to fight a ground war and force regime change.

Eventually the strait must be reopened. Today is Day 73. Until something changes, it appears the U.S. is caught 'twixt and 'tween a rock and a hard place.

Trump and Pete Hegseth and Mike Huckabee and Jared Kushner and Mike Johnson and Steve Witcoff and AIPAC and Mark Levin and all the 'Greater Israel' Zionist donors and PACs and Israel Firsters put us there.

As Ian Bremer said this morning: "Iranians sure do have an odd way of unconditionally surrendering."

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Can you please provide a quote where Ben Shapiro advocated for a ground invasion of 200,000 Americans? Or Levin?

Why invade? Just give more money to Isrul.

You think they were rootin' for Iran's mullahs and IRGC to accept Trump's JCPOA 2.0 proposal, eh?

Let's kill another couple dozen of their top leaders real quick, then try negotiating again.

At some point we'll find some that want to live.

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If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

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So you're unwilling to do it. That's pretty much what I thought.

You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts and spinning every issue into a negative for his first term. I didn't bring that up, you did.

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ooof so close. These are second term promises. Good try though

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Your opinion of him will be no different than his first term, so it doesn't really matter. You're not going to like him no matter what he does. Good try though.

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Well I voted for him after the first term so............... But go on, keep falsely attributing if it helps you sleep better. Fun fact: you can break away from the hivemind

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So you're upset over me "falsely" attributing that you don't support Trump when you continually post things that don't support Trump at all…but then you want inaccurately assume I only have positive opinions of his policies like some mindless homer when that's not true at all.

Interesting approach there. Keep trying, I'm sure you'll get it eventually.

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Let's kill another couple dozen of their top leaders real quick, then try negotiating again.

At some point we'll find some that want to live.

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leading something in the Iranian government…worst job promotion ever.

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Watching Trump die-hards (fewer and fewer of them every day) get ratio'd on an overwhelmingly friendly forum for team Trump shows us plain as day that the worm has turned.

Shrink the government, no new wars, gut spending, gut regulations. Time for the real America party to get started. Let's ride.

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Possibly people are just getting tired of responding to the same. Terrible takes over and over again...
Many people have TDS. We get it. People with the brain who supported Trump before still support him. Most people who have some sense of history and have been in this world long enough to know what Iran stands for and the mess that they make in the world fully support actions against Iran. The Iran issue was not of Trump's making.

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This. And when the libs get a handful of their TDS infused sychofants going in a circle jerk when the Trump supporters are worn out with their dumb takes in the same thread, they are "ratioing" us and MAGA is circling the drain.

Jeez

Notice the blue posts with stars always seem to stop at 14. Strange, isn't it.

Figured it would stop at 12 to honor the Twelvers they align with.

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If you want, I'm more than happy to list out all my policies and the logic behind them, but this thread really isn't the place

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So you're unwilling to do it. That's pretty much what I thought.

You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts and spinning every issue into a negative for his first term. I didn't bring that up, you did.

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ooof so close. These are second term promises. Good try though

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Your opinion of him will be no different than his first term, so it doesn't really matter. You're not going to like him no matter what he does. Good try though.

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Well I voted for him after the first term so............... But go on, keep falsely attributing if it helps you sleep better. Fun fact: you can break away from the hivemind

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Exactly
He campaigned against the neocons and then has turned many into neocons.

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Lmao

He wasn't a "multi billionaire" before all of this. He was a reality TV star/genius (a very successful one, and still is I will add). This notoriety and position as President has made him and his family 10x more money than they ever had through both publicity as well as corrupt good ole boy deals. Just like every other President ever, only more so. He's not the President out of the goodness of his heart lol

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LMAO, indeed...