This is wild
Help with stolen machine
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Last: 6 hrs ago by WaldoWings
I love this thread and I sure the OP gets his machine back.
Update:
The investigator up here in NTEX let me know that the warrant is signed and they have notified the officers in RGV to arrest the guy. Hopefully we have some positive action today.
ETA: i'm not sure how it works, but would love if they bring him up to my county to deal with him here. I have a feeling that they will be much more forceful with enforcing the punishment.
The investigator up here in NTEX let me know that the warrant is signed and they have notified the officers in RGV to arrest the guy. Hopefully we have some positive action today.
ETA: i'm not sure how it works, but would love if they bring him up to my county to deal with him here. I have a feeling that they will be much more forceful with enforcing the punishment.
Aggie118 said:
Update:
The investigator up here in NTEX let me know that the warrant is signed and they have notified the officers in RGV to arrest the guy. Hopefully we have some positive action today.
ETA: i'm not sure how it works, but would love if they bring him up to my county to deal with him here. I have a feeling that they will be much more forceful with enforcing the punishment.
Maybe you could just request that each of your friends on the OB gets a whack at his kneecaps?
Aggie118 said:
Update:
The investigator up here in NTEX let me know that the warrant is signed and they have notified the officers in RGV to arrest the guy. Hopefully we have some positive action today.
ETA: i'm not sure how it works, but would love if they bring him up to my county to deal with him here. I have a feeling that they will be much more forceful with enforcing the punishment.
Do either of the county jails show the bookings on line? If so, what are the initials of the guy we need to be looking for?
County that issues the warrant gets the prisoner transported to them.
It can take a few days to arrange transport.
It can take a few days to arrange transport.
Would be a shame if that transport turned into a "failure to deliver"
CowtownAg06 said:
Would be a shame if that transport turned into a "failure to deliver"
Aggie118 said:
Update:
The investigator up here in NTEX let me know that the warrant is signed and they have notified the officers in RGV to arrest the guy. Hopefully we have some positive action today.
ETA: i'm not sure how it works, but would love if they bring him up to my county to deal with him here. I have a feeling that they will be much more forceful with enforcing the punishment.
This is awesome
CowtownAg06 said:
Would be a shame if that transport turned into a "failure to deliver"
It would then be a very unCIVIL matter
I agree. You don't just get to take somebody's skid steer and sell it.
Skidsteer toolbox from Doss. Parked two years in the Austin airport garage. Only on TexAgs.Aggie118 said:
I agree. You don't just get to take somebody's skid steer and sell it.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
Centerpole90 said:
If he's running an extortion scheme and just trying to get ransom money from you - I'd say that you are fortunate - normally I'd say your equipment is speaking Spanish by now; but maybe that's not his end game. Honestly, I'd be impressed if he's found little loophole to exploit and play in the gray area between criminal and civil…. And less surprised if he's found an assistant DA & local police chief who will play along.
I'm out of pocket a few days but if you would, shoot me an email to my username at gmail.com. I'm local; I'll go poke around.
Get 'em, Centerpole90! Also, I hope you're doing well!
Howdy Amigo! Man I'm along for the ride like everyone else, checking back to see if there has been an arrest! Hope all is well with you - please give everyone in the office my best. I miss our visits.
Too late in the game for this and this is no way advocating vigilante justice only help finding it. You have sold equipment a long time think back maybe you sold someone or have a customer you kind of have a weird feeling about.. maybe paid cash maybe buys alot of stuff and your thinking I don't think this guy does enough businesses to buy this stuff. Or even some guy that's has a huge business that seems a little rough. Always keep those guys in mind when something like this happens. You would randomly call and tell them to be on the lookout. People like that love to do favors especially if you have done them right in the past.
Just maybe something to think about if they get him and still can't find equipment and insurance won't pay.
Just maybe something to think about if they get him and still can't find equipment and insurance won't pay.
Centerpole90 said:
Howdy Amigo! Man I'm along for the ride like everyone else, checking back to see if there has been an arrest! Hope all is well with you - please give everyone in the office my best. I miss our visits.
Sure will - we miss seeing you, too! And I really hope y'all get this POS!
Well…???
No news as of yet. Hopefully will hear something tomorrow. Meanwhile, I hope who ever has my machine is taking good care of her.
ETA: I have read that sometimes it can take weeks to months as they are likely not doing a manhunt over stolen property and will sometimes wait for another encounter like a traffic stop, another call on him, etc. Hopefully that's not the case here since there are investigators already involved and law enforcement has been pretty actively engaged up to this point trying to track down the machine.
ETA: I have read that sometimes it can take weeks to months as they are likely not doing a manhunt over stolen property and will sometimes wait for another encounter like a traffic stop, another call on him, etc. Hopefully that's not the case here since there are investigators already involved and law enforcement has been pretty actively engaged up to this point trying to track down the machine.
I was thinking about this last night, before I read the OP's update above, and came to share the same thought.
I have been to the Puto's address of record. It is an empty lot in an old established trailer park; that is where his trailer was parked. We don't know if that is the address that is on his driver's license, because I don't think anyone has an actual copy of that - he impersonated another driver to the broker to get this load. I went to the address of innocent third party anyway (it's not far away) and nothing there looked like anything related to this case given some detailed info Aggie118 provided. Law enforcement may or may not have more up to date or accurate address of residence, if they don't, it will almost require a traffic stop or other interaction to snag him. RGV AG hooked OP up with some LE support nearby that can do some drive-bys and get him direct numbers to other LE help, but I don't think they have the resources or jurisdiction to run a real investigation or manhunt themselves.
It should also be said, because he won't say it himself - Aggie118 is on the verge of an epic self-rescue if this results in an arrest. It's in the OP but latecomers to the thread might miss an important detail; this guy was not working under his own identity with the broker to get the load, he was impersonating another carrier. It was only through Aggie118 using his OutdoorBoard-foo and putting clues together after talking to the the driver at the pick-up that he found his real identity. That's the only reason we have a 7 page thread and a real warrant for his arrest. Otherwise, the perp totally disappears into the ether. That is the definition of 'how you OB.'
I have been to the Puto's address of record. It is an empty lot in an old established trailer park; that is where his trailer was parked. We don't know if that is the address that is on his driver's license, because I don't think anyone has an actual copy of that - he impersonated another driver to the broker to get this load. I went to the address of innocent third party anyway (it's not far away) and nothing there looked like anything related to this case given some detailed info Aggie118 provided. Law enforcement may or may not have more up to date or accurate address of residence, if they don't, it will almost require a traffic stop or other interaction to snag him. RGV AG hooked OP up with some LE support nearby that can do some drive-bys and get him direct numbers to other LE help, but I don't think they have the resources or jurisdiction to run a real investigation or manhunt themselves.
It should also be said, because he won't say it himself - Aggie118 is on the verge of an epic self-rescue if this results in an arrest. It's in the OP but latecomers to the thread might miss an important detail; this guy was not working under his own identity with the broker to get the load, he was impersonating another carrier. It was only through Aggie118 using his OutdoorBoard-foo and putting clues together after talking to the the driver at the pick-up that he found his real identity. That's the only reason we have a 7 page thread and a real warrant for his arrest. Otherwise, the perp totally disappears into the ether. That is the definition of 'how you OB.'
Aggie118 said:
Update:
First of all, huge thank you to Centerpole90 for all of your help.
The driver/carrier insurance is unsurprisingly claiming that this is not covered because they are classifying it as "non-delivery". A little googling and it looks like they cover theft but only if it's stolen by a third party, doesn't count if it's the driver/carrier who does it?
Now it will presumably fall to the broker's insurance who I would think will make the same argument and deny the claim.
At this point, the way I see it, it will likely come down to the broker bond, or them paying out of pocket either voluntarily to avoid me filing on their bond, civil suit, legal fees, FMCSA complaint filed etc… or I will have to go to court to sue them.
I feel like I would have a very strong case against them for negligence alone. Just a few things they did or didn't do…
- Didn't check how long they were in business before hiring them (they created this LLC December 15th and just got insurance the 16th). While potentially a bad idea, as long as everything checks out through the database on the company (information provided), it is only a personal choice not to use a new company. Companies close out and reopen regularly.
- Didn't verify that the vehicle and insurance matched.
That is on the customer in the yard (pickup). They are the only one that can do so. The broker isn't there. They can only match the information given to the company information provided during the background check.
- Didn't verify that the driver's ID and the driver were the same people.
How do you purpose they do that? We tell our customers to verify the name of the carrier and information match what we give them at pickup as only the people at the site and confirm it.
- Didn't verify that the guy had a carrier/boss, he is just a sole operator (not in itself bad, but paired with the fact it was just started definitely a red flag). Has nothing to do with anything. He provided a valid company in good standing. It was fraud.
- Didn't pay extra for GPS tracking because it costs more (have this in writing) said they are going to start doing that now. Very few customers want to pay for this. If you do, tell your broker that is a requirement and you are willing to pay more to wait for a carrier that has this capability and is willing to do so. It is a much smaller part of the potential carriers.
- The transport LLC was called "Sacurehaul LLC", I feel like misspelling should've been a red flag.
That's because you aren't in the industry. The sheer number of current and past carrier names make crazy names normal in order for a carrier to get a name anywhere close to what they want it to be. You'd be amazed at the names that are seen regularly. Has nothing to do with the carrier being in good standing.
- Also have emails from my broker agent and the owner of the company apologizing for hiring this guy and taking full responsibility for my machine and it's safe delivery.
These are just a few of the bullet points.
I haven't read through this all the way yet, but in case this isn't covered, I'm going to suggest you might not understand some of this.
Most things you have mentioned as being a problem from the broker are purely personal preferences a customer can request, but are not standard in any form in the industry. If you didn't request any of those things, it isn't a fault of your broker. In reality a broker doing those things would take longer to find a viable carrier and be more expensive than other brokers unless the customer requests it. Meaning they have no business.
At the end of the day this is a case of fraud.
(I'm in the truck insurance business- auto liability, cargo, phys dam)
The general public would be shocked to learn how common fraud is within the trucking industry. The whole process is outdated with holes and exposures all over. As an insurance carrier, this story isn't shocking. We can tell horror stories all day.
But to Cody's point, aka Centerpole90, the difference here is that the OB pulled together do so much leg work ourselves through our own networks. Well done OB!
The general public would be shocked to learn how common fraud is within the trucking industry. The whole process is outdated with holes and exposures all over. As an insurance carrier, this story isn't shocking. We can tell horror stories all day.
But to Cody's point, aka Centerpole90, the difference here is that the OB pulled together do so much leg work ourselves through our own networks. Well done OB!
Aggie118 said:
Update:
Later yesterday evening the owner of the broker company did reach out to me unprompted to let me know that they have filed with their own cargo insurance. While I'm not super confident in that, I'm glad they are still reaching out to me unprompted and trying to find a resolution on that front. Maybe now that there's no doubt or way insurance can claim this isn't theft since it's documented by law enforcement (hopefully with arrest to come) they won't be able to classify it as "non-delivery" and not pay out.
The unfortunate reality is there isn't much they (the broker) can do either. They don't own he equipment either which makes it much more difficult for anyone to help them. As you can see the insurance companies are practically useless at things other than collecting money. Law enforcement is generally refuses to do anything either unless the owner is willing to get involved as we've been told before only they can file the goods as stolen.
People like GentrysMillTX10 can say the broker is the problem, but you'll notice there isn't a thing the broker can do if the guy picking it up commits fraud as they (insurance) won't classify it as the theft and fraud it is. Often law enforcement won't either. Yet insurance had no problem insuring a 11 time felon commercial insurance to allow him into the industry in the first place as long as his check cleared.
So if the equipment isn't recovered the only recourse is to file on the broker's bond and force them out of business. And the cycle will keep repeating as long as the insurance and law enforcement allow it to. Brokers and customers are the ones who get screwed.
The only way to actually catch this is for the people on site to verify the truck / driver showing up matches the carrier contracted and denying them loading if not. And even then that doesn't always work. We've had the same thing happen with the actual company holding the goods hostage to blackmail the broker / customer for more money to deliver something they've already contractually agreed to deliver at a set time for a set cost. Law enforcement did nothing then either.
Hasn't local LE talked to the guy? When they got the trailer vs skid confused? I thought they had the guy at that point?
The broker 100% should have vetted that motor carrier. It is not required to vet but a reputable broker would have. I tried to vet the carrier and they are MIA. This carrier would be what the industry refers to as "dark capacity."
Insurance isn't enabling this. We hate it too. Our hands are tied with the way the industry is designed. Example - mcs90 requires us to cover liability insurance on any truck operating under the motor carrier's authority, regardless if the truck or driver were even reported to us or if we even collected premium on the truck. The idea behind this is to protect the general public.
Brokers need to be regulated similar to a motor carrier. There's got to accountability beyond the truck and driver. The feds are working on it.
Insurance isn't enabling this. We hate it too. Our hands are tied with the way the industry is designed. Example - mcs90 requires us to cover liability insurance on any truck operating under the motor carrier's authority, regardless if the truck or driver were even reported to us or if we even collected premium on the truck. The idea behind this is to protect the general public.
Brokers need to be regulated similar to a motor carrier. There's got to accountability beyond the truck and driver. The feds are working on it.
Would something as simple as planting an air tag in a piece of equipment worth doing? I just bought a Kubota track loader and have been approached to rent it out. Sounds like a way to defer cost.
Also I'll have it down on the Rio Grande River doing some brush work. They said no but I'm concerned this machine could possibly swim.
Also I'll have it down on the Rio Grande River doing some brush work. They said no but I'm concerned this machine could possibly swim.
Deerdude said:
Would something as simple as planting an air tag in a piece of equipment worth doing? I just bought a Kubota track loader and have been approached to rent it out. Sounds like a way to defer cost.
Also I'll have it down on the Rio Grande River doing some brush work. They said no but I'm concerned this machine could possibly swim.
I am doing this on every piece of equipment I ship now. It does notify whoever has it, but in my mind it still sends a message to them that you are monitoring and paying close attention to its location. It at least serves as a deterrent in my mind.
At the very least, you will know early on if something is going on if the device is unresponsive or has been discarded somewhere vs the thief having days to get away with it.
GentrysMillTX10 said:
The broker 100% should have vetted that motor carrier. It is not required to vet but a reputable broker would have. I tried to vet the carrier and they are MIA. This carrier would be what the industry refers to as "dark capacity."
The broker vetted the company information provided. Brokers can only use the systems available. The only way this kind of fraud is avoided if there is a federal app that the carrier has to go through to be vetted for each load. And then when fraud still happens, it's actually punished and covered by insurance.
You do understand this is fraud from a guy who provided legitimate carrier information (not his) that was vetted.
CowtownAg06 said:
Hasn't local LE talked to the guy? When they got the trailer vs skid confused? I thought they had the guy at that point?
That's what I was told is that they went to go talk to him. That was third hand information though. I wasn't actually talking to the entity that talked to him, rather somebody relaying what was going on to me.
There are plenty of third party vetting services available. GenLogs, Highway, RMIS, Carrier assure, and on. They exist solely to resolve this very issue.
Broker could have requested images from the shipper of the truck that arrived to pick up the skid steer, to include DOT number. The broker washed their hands…or tried to anyway.
The crappy broker is enabling this stuff to go on by hiring crappy motor carriers. This **** is undercutting the legit operations and causing additional, unnecessary strain on a tough industry that already operates on penny margins.
Broker could have requested images from the shipper of the truck that arrived to pick up the skid steer, to include DOT number. The broker washed their hands…or tried to anyway.
The crappy broker is enabling this stuff to go on by hiring crappy motor carriers. This **** is undercutting the legit operations and causing additional, unnecessary strain on a tough industry that already operates on penny margins.
Deerdude said:
Would something as simple as planting an air tag in a piece of equipment worth doing? I just bought a Kubota track loader and have been approached to rent it out. Sounds like a way to defer cost.
Also I'll have it down on the Rio Grande River doing some brush work. They said no but I'm concerned this machine could possibly swim.
Previously discussed...
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3589556/replies/71649729
Long thread. I asked the same question.
Aggie118 said:Deerdude said:
Would something as simple as planting an air tag in a piece of equipment worth doing? I just bought a Kubota track loader and have been approached to rent it out. Sounds like a way to defer cost.
Also I'll have it down on the Rio Grande River doing some brush work. They said no but I'm concerned this machine could possibly swim.
I am doing this on every piece of equipment I ship now. It does notify whoever has it, but in my mind it still sends a message to them that you are monitoring and paying close attention to its location. It at least serves as a deterrent in my mind.
At the very least, you will know early on if something is going on if the device is unresponsive or has been discarded somewhere vs the thief having days to get away with it.
You can take the speaker out of the Air Pod pretty easily. Youtube videos on it, it's basically pop it open and cut two wires. I've got one hidden in my truck. If it gets taken, it'll tell whoever it's in there but there isn't any sound now that they can play to see where it is. They'll have to dig around lot to find it, at least that's my hope. If it does come to that, hopefully it will take long enough that the truck can be found or they'll change their mind and leave the truck.
Regarding the air-tag or other BT trackers...
How close does the tag have to be to, say the driver, for their phone to notify them that an unassociated device is traveling with them. In this case a skid steer on (I presume a 40ft gooseneck, loaded over the axles, would easily be 45ft or so behind the driver of your average crew cab pickup.
General knowledge question, I've never used the things or really had any association with them.
How close does the tag have to be to, say the driver, for their phone to notify them that an unassociated device is traveling with them. In this case a skid steer on (I presume a 40ft gooseneck, loaded over the axles, would easily be 45ft or so behind the driver of your average crew cab pickup.
General knowledge question, I've never used the things or really had any association with them.
Have wondered that too. Seems it's not uncommon for folks to drop one in their luggage when traveling. Does that mean everyone on the plane gets alerted their being tracked?
I get the notification quite often.
More important question
Who plays Aggie118 in the movie/series? Glen Powell although he is a sip
Tommy Lee Jone needs to be the older of Centerpole, RGV Ag, or GentrysMill. Throw in Woodty Harrelson and.Josh Brolin.
Bad guy should be???
Who plays Aggie118 in the movie/series? Glen Powell although he is a sip
Tommy Lee Jone needs to be the older of Centerpole, RGV Ag, or GentrysMill. Throw in Woodty Harrelson and.Josh Brolin.
Bad guy should be???
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