agracer said:

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do you not have a gas vehicle?

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Sure I've got a 12 year old truck but the model x is infinitely more comfortable for a family of 5 and it drives itself, so........

This part of the parking lot is really tight.

When a jeep is having trouble getting passed, FSD 14.1 can tell the jeep won't fit, and adjusts to give room while waiting to turn left.

This experience is what made me go home and test the "backing into us" scenario. pic.twitter.com/L1GULpLZjR

— Dirty Tesla (@DirtyTesLa) October 14, 2025

And if you torture the self driving super intelligent car enough, it'll try to escape all together :) https://t.co/ad052gNXXS pic.twitter.com/t4R2HS7oE9

— Dirty Tesla (@DirtyTesLa) October 11, 2025

Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

There will be more updates for AI3 from what I've seen, just won't be as advanced. Think they'll proceed to upgrades on hardware for those that purchased FSD around the time they start integrating AI5 computers at which point I'll be jealous of the advancements.

Apparently you can connect Bluetooth to rear entertainment center and still listen to whatever you want in the front seats. Intriguing.

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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HW4 people be like.



(Until HW 5 comes out)

Guitarsoup said:

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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I have MY with HW4 and looking to upgrade to the refresh model b/c its an overall better car. What is holding me back is why not wait a few years to see if HW5 will come out.

I would hate to upgrade and then do it again with HW5 which I think will happen. If Tsla wants to have every car capable for FSD, it has to solve the camera getting dirty issue which may be HW5.

Battery degradation fears, combined with future technology concerns, are absolutely killing the resale market on these things, leaving them firmly in the "lease only" category in my mind. It was already bad with the tax incentive taking $7500 off the top for the original owner, but I just don't see how Tesla (or any other brand) can treat these things like iPhones, where new tech and advancements compel upgrades every couple of years while older models stop receiving updates because of hardware constraints. There's a reason a lot of people perpetually lease cell phones through their service provider.

Medaggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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I have MY with HW4 and looking to upgrade to the refresh model b/c its an overall better car. What is holding me back is why not wait a few years to see if HW5 will come out.

I would hate to upgrade and then do it again with HW5 which I think will happen. If Tsla wants to have every car capable for FSD, it has to solve the camera getting dirty issue which may be HW5.

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My car is a 2018 and I was one of the first to have the beta of FSD. I'm only at 90k miles, and play to just drive it until the battery dies. I do love the car, and don't really care about the car circling parking lots to find a space.

I'll probably wait a significant amount of time to upgrade, especially with how much it has depreciated. I'm on the flat tail of the depreciation curve now.

Medaggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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I have MY with HW4 and looking to upgrade to the refresh model b/c its an overall better car. What is holding me back is why not wait a few years to see if HW5 will come out.

I would hate to upgrade and then do it again with HW5 which I think will happen. If Tsla wants to have every car capable for FSD, it has to solve the camera getting dirty issue which may be HW5.

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They're also going to have to have a path to upgrade HW in existing cars with pricing somehow tied to how old your car is. I have a 2025 Y so if they wanted to charge me $10k for an upgrade I'd decline and be ticked. But if I have a 2021 and they want to charge me that's a deal.

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Medaggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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I have MY with HW4 and looking to upgrade to the refresh model b/c its an overall better car. What is holding me back is why not wait a few years to see if HW5 will come out.

I would hate to upgrade and then do it again with HW5 which I think will happen. If Tsla wants to have every car capable for FSD, it has to solve the camera getting dirty issue which may be HW5.

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My car is a 2018 and I was one of the first to have the beta of FSD. I'm only at 90k miles, and play to just drive it until the battery dies. I do love the car, and don't really care about the car circling parking lots to find a space.

I'll probably wait a significant amount of time to upgrade, especially with how much it has depreciated. I'm on the flat tail of the depreciation curve now.

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The parking thing is cool and all, but just park it yourself.

Are people really not capable at all of driving the car the last few 100 feet or so?

And the older cars have FSD included (if purchased by the original owner), not a monthly subscription so I'd think that would have some value for future used customers.

My gut feeling is once they get all the non computer hardware finalized, then all upgrades will be throwing in a new computer that may be 1-2K to upgrade.

I had a 2020 MY when it first came out and if it didn't get totaled, I would still be driving it with Hardware3 and 150K miles on it.

Just open it up to hackers/mod community. Download your new self driving software off Git Hub from some faceless dude named Sp33dst3rXXXX and upgrade your HW yourself. Slap a new motherboard, clip on dash cam, cpu, add memory and max out on a graphics card. Good to go.

I didn't realize HW3 wasn't going to get fsd14. That makes me sad.

Didn't Tesla allude to the fact that they were going to retrofit vehicles with HW3 to hw4 on their dime? FSD was a large part of making the purchase.

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I didn't realize HW3 wasn't going to get fsd14. That makes me sad.

Didn't Tesla allude to the fact that they were going to retrofit vehicles with HW3 to hw4 on their dime? FSD was a large part of making the purchase.

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There have been talks about retrofitting. My car is actually a HW2 retrofit to HW3, which was free at the time. I think retrofitting my car will require the newer cameras as well, because the HW4 cameras are all different from mine.

If the HW4 retrofit is free, I would do it. But I can't imagine spending any significant amount of money on it, and if the computer and cameras all need to be replaced, I would imagine it would be very expensive.

Also, I doubt Tesla makes retrofitting a priority. It would probably only make sense for the newer HW3 S and X, not really the older ones and maybe not the MY/M3.

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Medaggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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I have MY with HW4 and looking to upgrade to the refresh model b/c its an overall better car. What is holding me back is why not wait a few years to see if HW5 will come out.

I would hate to upgrade and then do it again with HW5 which I think will happen. If Tsla wants to have every car capable for FSD, it has to solve the camera getting dirty issue which may be HW5.

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My car is a 2018 and I was one of the first to have the beta of FSD. I'm only at 90k miles, and play to just drive it until the battery dies. I do love the car, and don't really care about the car circling parking lots to find a space.

I'll probably wait a significant amount of time to upgrade, especially with how much it has depreciated. I'm on the flat tail of the depreciation curve now.

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The parking thing is cool and all, but just park it yourself.

Are people really not capable at all of driving the car the last few 100 feet or so?

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Of course we are. I could have also drove myself to Colorado but if the car can do it for me why not let it? Weather (both hot and cold) and families with young kids are gonna create a ton of use for the self parking feature which is also going to create more use for the summon feature. Send it to park itself and have it come get you. Shirley that doesn't surprise you.

One of the greatest benefit from FSD for me is being able to eat in my car. Two hands, relaxed, just like if I were a passenger.

I also had a stock trade I wanted to complete while driving. Took my computer out, did a trade in 3-5 minutes, never missed a beat.

Taking meetings in your car is also a new level. Don't have to worry much about driving, can look at the presentation on my phone, etc.

I can't wait for FSD to be approved so I can take meetings on the Tesla monitor and watch football games.

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One of the greatest benefit from FSD for me is being able to eat in my car. Two hands, relaxed, just like if I were a passenger.

I also had a stock trade I wanted to complete while driving. Took my computer out, did a trade in 3-5 minutes, never missed a beat.

Taking meetings in your car is also a new level. Don't have to worry much about driving, can look at the presentation on my phone, etc.

I can't wait for FSD to be approved so I can take meetings on the Tesla monitor and watch football games.

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You got a flip phone or what?



j/k. still cool.

We have a 22 X. I would think everything would be capable of HW4 but haven't looked in to it. Seeing so much talk online if Tesla doing retro fit was a big reason I didn't spend a bit more to go for a 2023.

If you're looking at your phone how is the car not asking you to touch the steering wheel every 2 seconds?

I find that very annoying. FSD requires me to look straight ahead just as if I'm driving. If I have a hat on or sunglasses it's just as bad. If I have to grab the wheel constantly I might as well be driving.

phone mount

mounts on that crack in the dash. You can see your phone through the steering wheel. Tesla thinks you are looking at the road.

agracer said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Medaggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Hate seeing all these FSD 14 updates when HW3 is maxed out at 12.6.

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I have MY with HW4 and looking to upgrade to the refresh model b/c its an overall better car. What is holding me back is why not wait a few years to see if HW5 will come out.

I would hate to upgrade and then do it again with HW5 which I think will happen. If Tsla wants to have every car capable for FSD, it has to solve the camera getting dirty issue which may be HW5.

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My car is a 2018 and I was one of the first to have the beta of FSD. I'm only at 90k miles, and play to just drive it until the battery dies. I do love the car, and don't really care about the car circling parking lots to find a space.

I'll probably wait a significant amount of time to upgrade, especially with how much it has depreciated. I'm on the flat tail of the depreciation curve now.

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The parking thing is cool and all, but just park it yourself.

Are people really not capable at all of driving the car the last few 100 feet or so?

And the older cars have FSD included (if purchased by the original owner), not a monthly subscription so I'd think that would have some value for future used customers.

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FSD stays if bought private party sometimes

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If you're looking at your phone how is the car not asking you to touch the steering wheel every 2 seconds?

I find that very annoying. FSD requires me to look straight ahead just as if I'm driving. If I have a hat on or sunglasses it's just as bad. If I have to grab the wheel constantly I might as well be driving.

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You just mount your phone instead of holding it in your hand like GeorgiAg pointed out. When it is even with or beyond the in-car camera, you don't get nagged.

Anyone have a recommended mount? IDK how I didn't think about this.

https://amzn.to/3KQtpNd

I have this stuck to my steering wheel column cover just beyond where it would hit when mounted and the wheel turns. Can put it in horizontal orientation and see the screen perfectly through the wheel. My phone basically goes where a gauge cluster would be on a normal car.

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If you're looking at your phone how is the car not asking you to touch the steering wheel every 2 seconds?

I find that very annoying. FSD requires me to look straight ahead just as if I'm driving. If I have a hat on or sunglasses it's just as bad. If I have to grab the wheel constantly I might as well be driving.

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I think it is longer than 2 Sec. When I am trying to find something on my phone, I just put it ahead of me so I am looking straight.

I was able to open my laptop, place it where cupholders were, and make the trade looking down and up periodically. It was actually really easy and only did it on the highway without cars near me. I trust FSD but still want to be attentive when cars are around.

He posted that he took out his laptop to complete a stock trade. That's a little different than mounting your phone on the dash.

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agracer said:

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The parking thing is cool and all, but just park it yourself.

Are people really not capable at all of driving the car the last few 100 feet or so?

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Of course we are. I could have also drove myself to Colorado but if the car can do it for me why not let it? Weather (both hot and cold) and families with young kids are gonna create a ton of use for the self parking feature which is also going to create more use for the summon feature. Send it to park itself and have it come get you. Shirley that doesn't surprise you.

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Stores are going to have to re-configure their entrances and exits or this is going to be a nightmare for people.

Can you image half the shoppers at Costco summoning their car to pick them up at the entrance/exit all at the same time while people are being dropped off to go inside the store?

If this becomes a thing in the next 10-years, places like Costco are going to have to separate the entrance and exits of there stores to accommodate the self driving cars.

In reality, the entire road system would need to be re-done for this to really become efficient. Like a lot more 1-way streets, freeways without large divider lanes so the amount of lanes going in any direction can be switched to match traffic flow, etc.

agracer said:

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LOYAL AG said:

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agracer said:

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The parking thing is cool and all, but just park it yourself.

Are people really not capable at all of driving the car the last few 100 feet or so?

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Of course we are. I could have also drove myself to Colorado but if the car can do it for me why not let it? Weather (both hot and cold) and families with young kids are gonna create a ton of use for the self parking feature which is also going to create more use for the summon feature. Send it to park itself and have it come get you. Shirley that doesn't surprise you.

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Stores are going to have to re-configure their entrances and exits or this is going to be a nightmare for people.

Can you image half the shoppers at Costco summoning their car to pick them up at the exit all at the same time.

If this becomes a thing in the next 10-years, places like Costco are going to have to separate the entrance and exits of there stores to accommodate the self driving cars.

In reality, the entire road system would need to be re-done for this to really become efficient. Like a lot more 1-way streets, freeways without large divider lanes so the amount of lanes going in any direction can be switched to match traffic flow, etc.

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Yeah parking lots are going to be an issue for sure. The reason we all say summon is limited is because you basically have to be on the curb for it to start coming to you. I think as that tech develops you'll be able to tell it to start coming as you leave the register which could mean it arrives at the same time you do. Still you're probably right that the lot may have to be reimagined to get somewhere efficient. Half of Costco leaving at once isn't practical but your argument makes sense.

You may be right on one way roads but as we reach critical mass traffic can condense into smaller spaces because the cars will communicate with each other so there won't be any surprise movements. I can actually picture the self driving cars avoiding the human driven ones for fear of the unknown. lol

It really is an incredible thing we're talking about. I saw my first Tesla in LA in 2014 and had no idea what it was. Now I own one and it drives me around when I don't want to drive myself. When you turn off FSD the car asks for feedback on why and most of the time I just say I want to drive for awhile. Didn't think I'd see that day but here we are.

agracer said:

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He posted that he took out his laptop to complete a stock trade. That's a little different than mounting your phone on the dash.

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Just a little good natured ribbin'. Did not mean to offend anyone.

(I do most of my trades on my phone because it is easier).

FSD v14.1.2, going to early access today, will debut a much awaited feature 🏎️💨

— Ashok Elluswamy (@aelluswamy) October 15, 2025

Smart Banish? Gonna guess it's gimped and you have to do the same press and hold and watch it drive to it's parking spot for the time being. Also guessing FSD won't go wide until 14.2.2.

Just received @Tesla FSD V14.1.2 on my Model Y. This version debuts a new feature called Mad Max mode.

“Introduced new speed profile MAD MAX, which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes than HURRY.”

This is the third FSD software release in just the last 8… pic.twitter.com/92hnJyplgh

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) October 16, 2025

Mad Max speed profile, not banish.

A couple of irritants from my personal FSD experience (since we've covered the pros well):

• I wish there was a way to better constrain how fast you want it to go over the speed limit. I'm a 10% over guy as a general rule because I feel like that's the threshold for getting a ticket. The "max speed offset" seems to govern how fast the car goes (as opposed to "can go if needed"). The car recommends +40% as a standard setting, and all too often, I find it cruising at 10-12 mph over the speed limit. If I set it to +10%, it won't find the gear it needs to pass and I find myself feathering the gas pedal while it's driving. This might just be user error if anyone knows how to get this dialed in. Personally, I'd like the car to go 77 in a 70 if the road is clear, and be able to jump up to 85 to pass a car and then drop back to 70.
• It really needs to figure out how to handle access roads and school zones. I assume the cameras on the thing detect the speed limit signs (as opposed to how Google Maps will use GPS to identify them), but if you get off the highway, and there's no speed limit sign there on the access road, the thing will think the speed limit is still 65-70 and drive accordingly. Same with school zones. I don't typically use FSD in the mornings, taking my kiddo to school, but on the occasions I have, it seemed to ignore school zones completely.
• Personal problem, but there's a spot on my commute where the car ALWAYS wants to move over a lane. There's no reason for it. It's not close to my exit. Traffic is always slower there. But every single morning at a specific lane marker, it'll work like hell to get over into a slow lane, establish itself, then get frustrated when the lane it left is free flowing, and try and move back over. It has to be something with the map. Small irritant, but still pisses me off every time.
• Speaking of maps, it seems like they don't update very often. I have an exit up near my house that was closed while under construction, then moved back when the first phase was done, and now it's been moved way up since the construction finished. It's been like this for a couple of months at least. The car still thinks the exit is the one that's moved back, so it'll try and change lanes to the left as the exit's approaching like it thinks it has another mile to the old exit.

Driving behavior is controled by the profile, the max speed offset is a limiter to the profile. So if you set it to chill or standard it's less likely to pass quickly than hurry, and if you have a 10% offset and on Hurry it won't pass quickly. I have my offset set to 40% and don't find that it's driving any differently than the rest of the traffic. I use Hurry on surface streets and Standard on the highway, because I hate frequent lane changes. I'm not driving on 2 or 4 lane highways frequently enough that passing is a concern though.

They're removing max speed offset in the V14 release, so if you start passing and it doesn't go fast enough you have to change the profile up to get it to accelerate.