It's to the point where we are dealing with a troll. He's just having fun with us. Continuing to be a fan and hoping the team wins is one thing, and that's fine. There is not a single legitimate reason to defend this franchise right now. He's essentially arguing that the world is flat.
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I'm not defending anything. I've said it's a stupid trade multiple times.
That doesn't change the fact that it's still a good roster. The third best center is Gafford, and AD can play the 4 next to both Lively and Goafford.
I realize yall know nothing about AD and how good he is. He's very very good. Get him surgery and get him right for next season. He just played a full season last year.
Caleb Martin was the 3rd best player on a finals team in 2023. PJ, Naji, Klay, and Christie are all good players still. I don't think it will be that hard to find a couple competent ball handlers in free agency who want to play a lot of minutes before Kyrie comes back.
At minimum, the team is good enough to maintain a play-in spot without Kyrie. This was the season from hell and it's still possible we're in the play-in (not saying I want to be).
If you get Kyrie back next season anytime before the playoffs and are able to be healthy, it's still a really tough team to beat.
I realize health stuff is a concern with AD and you have to add Lively in there as well, but I'm not going to be gloom and doom about any hypothetical injuries that haven't happened yet.
That doesn't change the fact that it's still a good roster. The third best center is Gafford, and AD can play the 4 next to both Lively and Goafford.
I realize yall know nothing about AD and how good he is. He's very very good. Get him surgery and get him right for next season. He just played a full season last year.
Caleb Martin was the 3rd best player on a finals team in 2023. PJ, Naji, Klay, and Christie are all good players still. I don't think it will be that hard to find a couple competent ball handlers in free agency who want to play a lot of minutes before Kyrie comes back.
At minimum, the team is good enough to maintain a play-in spot without Kyrie. This was the season from hell and it's still possible we're in the play-in (not saying I want to be).
If you get Kyrie back next season anytime before the playoffs and are able to be healthy, it's still a really tough team to beat.
I realize health stuff is a concern with AD and you have to add Lively in there as well, but I'm not going to be gloom and doom about any hypothetical injuries that haven't happened yet.
The window is not open. Kyrie is a small guard who will be 34 year old coming off an ACL injury the next time he is on the court. He will not come back the same guy. It's sad but All Star Kyrie is gone forever.
I think it is obvious what the Mavs were intending to do. They were going to gut their depth for KD and go all in on Kyrie, KD, and AD. It would have been a 1 year play (not that Nico cares), but I think the Kyrie injury changes that dynamic. I don't think KD will be looking to come to Dallas anymore at this point. That could have some domino effects on how the roster plays out with AD moving forward. He won't have Kyrie next year and I'm assuming now won't have KD. So AD will be the main guy on a flailing, mediocre team heading into next years deadline. He might not demand a trade this Summer, but I could see him asking to be moved by the next deadline if things play out poorly as I would expect.
Unfortunately considering how Nico and Dumont have doubled down on their stupidity, I would think Nico will attempt to move any and all final remaining assets in a desperate attempt to win next year. I still expect 2025 and 2031 picks to be sent out as well. If KD doesn't want in then he will find another aging "star" to go get. Nico is a walking basketball apocalypse. At this point most of the damage is done though.
I think it is obvious what the Mavs were intending to do. They were going to gut their depth for KD and go all in on Kyrie, KD, and AD. It would have been a 1 year play (not that Nico cares), but I think the Kyrie injury changes that dynamic. I don't think KD will be looking to come to Dallas anymore at this point. That could have some domino effects on how the roster plays out with AD moving forward. He won't have Kyrie next year and I'm assuming now won't have KD. So AD will be the main guy on a flailing, mediocre team heading into next years deadline. He might not demand a trade this Summer, but I could see him asking to be moved by the next deadline if things play out poorly as I would expect.
Unfortunately considering how Nico and Dumont have doubled down on their stupidity, I would think Nico will attempt to move any and all final remaining assets in a desperate attempt to win next year. I still expect 2025 and 2031 picks to be sent out as well. If KD doesn't want in then he will find another aging "star" to go get. Nico is a walking basketball apocalypse. At this point most of the damage is done though.
Definitely trollingshack009 said:
I realize health stuff is a concern with AD and you have to add Lively in there as well, but I'm not going to be gloom and doom about any hypothetical injuries that haven't happened yet.
Obviously meant in the context of the next two seasons. And I had already mentioned Kyrie's injury.
I should have known that everything needs to be spelled out in the plainest way possible for yall…
I should have known that everything needs to be spelled out in the plainest way possible for yall…
The KD trade will be Nico's final death rattle. Hope everyone is prepared to swap the entire depth of the team for 37 yr old KD.
PJ
Gafford
Klay
Naji or Caleb
+2 FRPs
All will be sent out for 1 last desperate attempt at NBA relevancy and when (not if) it fails, the Mavs will be the worst team in the NBA for the foreseeable future.
The fact that Shack is arguing there exists a window at all just highlights the horror of the luka trade. As long as Luka was a Mav, the window remained open for YEARS. Now it takes delusions of grandeur to see if one even exists at all.
PJ
Gafford
Klay
Naji or Caleb
+2 FRPs
All will be sent out for 1 last desperate attempt at NBA relevancy and when (not if) it fails, the Mavs will be the worst team in the NBA for the foreseeable future.
The fact that Shack is arguing there exists a window at all just highlights the horror of the luka trade. As long as Luka was a Mav, the window remained open for YEARS. Now it takes delusions of grandeur to see if one even exists at all.
If we do the KD trade and give up even half of that bounty, I'll have to sit out on my Mavs fandom until post Nico
**** KD and the notion that he's worth anything at this point
**** KD and the notion that he's worth anything at this point
lets be plain. At this point you are a troll, or being willfully obtuse about this.shack009 said:
Take your ****ing pity party somewhere else dude. This isn't the Lakers thread.
First time in TexAgs history there's been an accusation of trolling for not being negative enough?
Thank Nico for charting new territory with a series of self-inflicted wounds the likes of which have never been seen.
And as far as Luka goes, anything he or the Lakers do are of interest as that is what the Mavs were capable of. Plus, they are a 40 year rival and team threads track rivals. So that makes it Mavs thread relevant in perpetuity. So f off with the thread police
And as far as Luka goes, anything he or the Lakers do are of interest as that is what the Mavs were capable of. Plus, they are a 40 year rival and team threads track rivals. So that makes it Mavs thread relevant in perpetuity. So f off with the thread police
Yea, Im not buying the revisionist history. Brunson clearly was gone, I dont care what he says after the fact.shack009 said:Zachary Klement said:If I recall correctly, they had a chance to sign Brunson midway through the 21-22 season as well and by that point, there was more data that pointed toward him being better than the guy we saw in the Clippers series, no?shack009 said:
The Brunson narrative has gotten out of control in the past month also.
He was borderline unplayable in the Clippers series in 21 and he was all but headed to his dad in NY by the middle of that offseason. It would have taken $20 million+ to get him to sign the extension and the Mavs would have been crazy to agree to that after how he played in the playoffs.
People have let their emotions completely get ahold of them.
No, he was all but gone before the season.
haha his $54m salary means we don't really have a choice. Just mustering enough contracts together to match that amount will gut the team and then we have to actually give the Suns something to entice them to trade KD (FRPs or Lively).zgolfz85 said:
If we do the KD trade and give up even half of that bounty, I'll have to sit out on my Mavs fandom until post Nico
**** KD and the notion that he's worth anything at this point
The window is closed. You're hoping it reopens once Kai is healthy and if he, AD, Klay, Lively, etc. also remain healthy…that's assuming all of those guys are still here next year/the year after.shack009 said:
Yet decidedly open.
Kyrie and AD's injuries this season were both "hypothetical" as well like a month ago, but it was so easy to see it coming, just like the future injuries are as well. They both have extensive injury histories and are old and getting older. It seems delusional to bet on their health rather than against it at this rate.shack009 said:
Obviously meant in the context of the next two seasons. And I had already mentioned Kyrie's injury.
I should have known that everything needs to be spelled out in the plainest way possible for yall…
I was off on the Brunson thing.PatAg said:Yea, Im not buying the revisionist history. Brunson clearly was gone, I dont care what he says after the fact.shack009 said:Zachary Klement said:If I recall correctly, they had a chance to sign Brunson midway through the 21-22 season as well and by that point, there was more data that pointed toward him being better than the guy we saw in the Clippers series, no?shack009 said:
The Brunson narrative has gotten out of control in the past month also.
He was borderline unplayable in the Clippers series in 21 and he was all but headed to his dad in NY by the middle of that offseason. It would have taken $20 million+ to get him to sign the extension and the Mavs would have been crazy to agree to that after how he played in the playoffs.
People have let their emotions completely get ahold of them.
No, he was all but gone before the season.
No, you weren't. Donnie Nelson purposefully did not offer an extension because he wanted to maintain the option to trade Brunson.Zachary Klement said:I was off on the Brunson thing.PatAg said:Yea, Im not buying the revisionist history. Brunson clearly was gone, I dont care what he says after the fact.shack009 said:Zachary Klement said:If I recall correctly, they had a chance to sign Brunson midway through the 21-22 season as well and by that point, there was more data that pointed toward him being better than the guy we saw in the Clippers series, no?shack009 said:
The Brunson narrative has gotten out of control in the past month also.
He was borderline unplayable in the Clippers series in 21 and he was all but headed to his dad in NY by the middle of that offseason. It would have taken $20 million+ to get him to sign the extension and the Mavs would have been crazy to agree to that after how he played in the playoffs.
People have let their emotions completely get ahold of them.
No, he was all but gone before the season.
Everything that happened AFTER the trade deadline was a result of Donnie not even making an offer (let alone a max offer in summer FA). Brunson going to NY was the fallout of that decision.
Dallas Mavericks center Kai Jones (left quad strain) has been downgraded to questionable against the Milwaukee Bucks.
— Grant Afseth (@GrantAfseth) March 5, 2025
Even Kai Jones is being taken from us.
Dirk won his championship at 32, which is 7 years older than Luka is now. The window would have been a decade.
I'm seriously thinking about switching to the Spurs. Been in Austin for years now, and this ownership is just about everything I hate in this world, being led by multiple idiots.
There is a chance the Dallas Mavericks could rule out nine players against the Milwaukee Bucks after Kai Jones was added as questionable.
— Grant Afseth (@GrantAfseth) March 5, 2025
Available Players:
Klay Thompson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Dwight Powell
Max Christie
Kessler Edwards
Olivier-Maxence Prosper
Naji Marshall
Brandon… https://t.co/tUvn7j5tuk
Probably a smart move. I haven't watched an NBA game since the trade. At this point I either have to hold my nose and watch Luka on the Lakers or just continue not watching the NBA indefinitely. I guess I'll see how I feel when the playoffs come around.500,000ags said:
I'm seriously thinking about switching to the Spurs. Been in Austin for years now, and this ownership is just about everything I hate in this world, being led by multiple idiots.
State of Mavs Fans
EastSideAg2002 said:
State of Mavs Fans
Best gif for the situation ever.. you win, sir. Well done!
Fandom since 2000 (since I was 11) and these cretin outsiders just ripped this org to shreds.
I talked to a guy today who's family has had tickets since 1997 and they are likely going to cancel them. Only got hit for 8% increase unlike some of the other horror stories.
I've still yet to see a single person I know whether on here or real life renewing season tix
500,000ags said:
I'm seriously thinking about switching to the Spurs. Been in Austin for years now, and this ownership is just about everything I hate in this world, being led by multiple idiots.
dave94 said:There is a chance the Dallas Mavericks could rule out nine players against the Milwaukee Bucks after Kai Jones was added as questionable.
— Grant Afseth (@GrantAfseth) March 5, 2025
Available Players:
Klay Thompson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Dwight Powell
Max Christie
Kessler Edwards
Olivier-Maxence Prosper
Naji Marshall
Brandon… https://t.co/tUvn7j5tuk
And those guys left have to carry the extra load thus increasing their risks for injury as well
500,000ags said:
I'm seriously thinking about switching to theSpursDallas Chaparrals. Been in Austin for years now, and this ownership is just about everything I hate in this world, being led by multiple idiots.
Fify
Can't ever be a Spurs fan. Can't ever be a Lakers fan.
HOWEVER, as a Mavs fan since the expansion year and a Mavs fan forever, the best thing for the organization would be for Nico to get fired and Patrick Dumont to get reassigned to babysitting a casino in Singapore. The sooner, the better. And at this point, the Lakers winning the title this year offers the best odds of being a nail that could make that happen. What complete and total humiliation that would bring on those two. Complete failure at a level never achieved in the history of American sports. So I'm not rooting for the Lakers. But I am rooting for these two to be blasted from this town and out of the game forever. And if a Lakers title is what it takes to make that happen, well, Showtime baby.
HOWEVER, as a Mavs fan since the expansion year and a Mavs fan forever, the best thing for the organization would be for Nico to get fired and Patrick Dumont to get reassigned to babysitting a casino in Singapore. The sooner, the better. And at this point, the Lakers winning the title this year offers the best odds of being a nail that could make that happen. What complete and total humiliation that would bring on those two. Complete failure at a level never achieved in the history of American sports. So I'm not rooting for the Lakers. But I am rooting for these two to be blasted from this town and out of the game forever. And if a Lakers title is what it takes to make that happen, well, Showtime baby.
Not sure I can root for LeBron but I can root for Luka and for the lakers to win just to humiliate Nico and the ogre
Will still hope Luka does well. He didn't ask for this.
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That doesn't change the fact that it's still a good roster.
It sucks and it's a complete rebuild thanks to the GM. Sell off everything for draft picks at this point.
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