2008and1 said:
Spurs reminding everyone how Fox isn't going to be enough.
No kidding. Even if Fox gets these guys wide open shots it won't matter. We need like a big and two 3 and d players badly.
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No kidding. Even if Fox gets these guys wide open shots it won't matter. We need like a big and two 3 and d players badly.
I hate losing to the grizzlies. Morant is the worst.
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
We almost just lost our only back up big 5 mins ago.
Hoping MEM blows us out now so Mitch doesn't think he needs to send Wemby back out there with the bum shoulder.
I don't think we need to do anything because the the likelihood of us making the playing isn't that great. I'd rather save our assets and pick up a big for a couple seconds just so Wemby doesn't die.
Bingo. We aren't making the conference finals this year, don't waste assets unless they are a perfect long term fit.Enzo The Baker said:
I don't think we need to do anything because the the likelihood of us making the playing isn't that great. I'd rather save our assets and pick up a big for a couple seconds just so Wemby doesn't die.
If you think we can keep DayRon Sharpe on an extension this summer cheap like Champagnie, you think about sending a second for him.
But other wise, there is a roster spot open to grab someone that gets cut this week.
Another stellar performance by Devin Vassell. The Lonnie Walker mentality is strong in that one.
Wemby - Fox - Castle is going to be a fun combo.
Yep. 21/6/5 on 9-17/2-5 shooting for Castle tonight. He's gonna be so good way sooner than we expect.Average Joe said:
Wemby - Fox - Castle is going to be a fun combo.
Guitarsoup said:Yep. 21/6/5 on 9-17/2-5 shooting for Castle tonight. He's gonna be so good way sooner than we expect.Average Joe said:
Wemby - Fox - Castle is going to be a fun combo.
And he had 5 turnovers and was only -5. He gets the full rookie pass for me. I've already seen enough.
18p 4r 4a on 47/35/73 shooting over his last 10 games for Castle
Also, all 10 games are against current teams in the playoffs.
Also, all 10 games are against current teams in the playoffs.
Castles three is looking better over the last two weeks too. Hope that's a continuing trend
FTAG 2000 said:
Castles three is looking better over the last two weeks too. Hope that's a continuing trend
The mechanics are good. So long-term, I'm not really worried about it..
If he could shoot at 35% over the rest of the season I'd be ecstatic
Should be noted that only 4 teams have two players in the top 15 in scoring.
Knicks, Spurs, Bucks, and Suns.
Knicks, Spurs, Bucks, and Suns.
Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
I like your starting five, but that is a small lineup. I wouldn't start Castle, and bring him in as a swiss army knife to play the 1, 2, or 3. The Spurs really need to pick up at least one other 5 or a 4. I'd like to see the Spurs trade for someone like Jonas Valanciunas to take some pressure off and backup Wemby. If they are on the court together, Wemby is a great 4. But they really need a big four, and someone like Valanciunas. Spurs frontcourt needs help. Sochan to me is a great backup, but not a starter for a championship run.Guitarsoup said:Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
Earth Rider said:I like your starting five, but that is a small lineup. I wouldn't start Castle, and bring him in as a swiss army knife to play the 1, 2, or 3. The Spurs really need to pick up at least one other 5 or a 4. I'd like to see the Spurs trade for someone like Jonas Valanciunas to take some pressure off and backup Wemby. If they are on the court together, Wemby is a great 4. But they really need a big four, and someone like Valanciunas. Spurs frontcourt needs help. Sochan to me is a great backup, but not a starter for a championship run.Guitarsoup said:Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
I think you switch Castle and Jeremy based on matchups and if you need more size in the starting lineup you start. Jeremy.
Of everyone in the NBA that defends at least four shots per game at the basket Jonas is dead last in defense. And to afford him we would have to trade Chris Paul and we're not going to trade Chris Paul to Washington. I also don't think we would want his contract next year as well.
I think we might hope that someone is traded and waived or we might go and pick up someone small like sharpe from the nets, if we think we can resign him in the off-season to a good contract. Otherwise, I think we probably stand pat. I don't think we're a conference finals team this year, so it doesn't make sense to make a big trade unless we're going to get a long-term key player
Earth Rider said:I like your starting five, but that is a small lineup. I wouldn't start Castle, and bring him in as a swiss army knife to play the 1, 2, or 3. The Spurs really need to pick up at least one other 5 or a 4. I'd like to see the Spurs trade for someone like Jonas Valanciunas to take some pressure off and backup Wemby. If they are on the court together, Wemby is a great 4. But they really need a big four, and someone like Valanciunas. Spurs frontcourt needs help. Sochan to me is a great backup, but not a starter for a championship run.Guitarsoup said:Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
The stats have told us overwhelmingly that Castle needs to be in that starting group. I think the ideal thing would be having Paul in the second unit with he, Vassell and Sochan coming off the bench. That's a pretty formidable bench if it's Paul orchestrating. They just need a competent big.
I assume Fox will come off the bench tomorrow though.
Will be interesting to see if we try to consistently play two different styles depending on whether Paul is in the game, with or without Fox.
To me you need to see what trying to play more uptempo with Fox running the show looks like. A Fox, Wemby, Sochan, Castle, Devin lineup needs to get out and run, and you also have more capability to play pressure defense without CP3 in there.
To me you need to see what trying to play more uptempo with Fox running the show looks like. A Fox, Wemby, Sochan, Castle, Devin lineup needs to get out and run, and you also have more capability to play pressure defense without CP3 in there.
Its hard to be patient, but I agree with you on holding off and watching the waiver wire. I think we definitely need a big 4 though. I could see a trade happening for that. Right now Wemby is taking too much defensively, and needs a big warm body next to him. But we need to wait and see how this 25 draft will turn out before doing too much, other than addressing a big 4 and/or a backup 5.Guitarsoup said:Earth Rider said:I like your starting five, but that is a small lineup. I wouldn't start Castle, and bring him in as a swiss army knife to play the 1, 2, or 3. The Spurs really need to pick up at least one other 5 or a 4. I'd like to see the Spurs trade for someone like Jonas Valanciunas to take some pressure off and backup Wemby. If they are on the court together, Wemby is a great 4. But they really need a big four, and someone like Valanciunas. Spurs frontcourt needs help. Sochan to me is a great backup, but not a starter for a championship run.Guitarsoup said:Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
I think you switch Castle and Jeremy based on matchups and if you need more size in the starting lineup you start. Jeremy.
Of everyone in the NBA that defends at least four shots per game at the basket Jonas is dead last in defense. And to afford him we would have to trade Chris Paul and we're not going to trade Chris Paul to Washington. I also don't think we would want his contract next year as well.
I think we might hope that someone is traded and waived or we might go and pick up someone small like sharpe from the nets, if we think we can resign him in the off-season to a good contract. Otherwise, I think we probably stand pat. I don't think we're a conference finals team this year, so it doesn't make sense to make a big trade unless we're going to get a long-term key player
I love Castle and I understand on the stats. Personally I would like to see him develop as a multi-tool player until we are ready to contend. We have a strong bench no doubt now. Our bench is upper crust of NBA benches. Completely agree on the competent big. that is critical imo, and would like to see the Spurs trade a couple seconds for a competent big.Enzo The Baker said:Earth Rider said:I like your starting five, but that is a small lineup. I wouldn't start Castle, and bring him in as a swiss army knife to play the 1, 2, or 3. The Spurs really need to pick up at least one other 5 or a 4. I'd like to see the Spurs trade for someone like Jonas Valanciunas to take some pressure off and backup Wemby. If they are on the court together, Wemby is a great 4. But they really need a big four, and someone like Valanciunas. Spurs frontcourt needs help. Sochan to me is a great backup, but not a starter for a championship run.Guitarsoup said:Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
The stats have told us overwhelmingly that Castle needs to be in that starting group. I think the ideal thing would be having Paul in the second unit with he, Vassell and Sochan coming off the bench. That's a pretty formidable bench if it's Paul orchestrating. They just need a competent big.
I assume Fox will come off the bench tomorrow though.
Steph just won WC rookie of the month. I believe that's two of three now.
Edit: this is his first.
Edit: this is his first.
Earth Rider said:I love Castle and I understand on the stats. Personally I would like to see him develop as a multi-tool player until we are ready to contend. We have a strong bench no doubt now. Our bench is upper crust of NBA benches. Completely agree on the competent big. that is critical imo, and would like to see the Spurs trade a couple seconds for a competent big.Enzo The Baker said:Earth Rider said:I like your starting five, but that is a small lineup. I wouldn't start Castle, and bring him in as a swiss army knife to play the 1, 2, or 3. The Spurs really need to pick up at least one other 5 or a 4. I'd like to see the Spurs trade for someone like Jonas Valanciunas to take some pressure off and backup Wemby. If they are on the court together, Wemby is a great 4. But they really need a big four, and someone like Valanciunas. Spurs frontcourt needs help. Sochan to me is a great backup, but not a starter for a championship run.Guitarsoup said:Obi Wan Ginobili said:Why?2008and1 said:
Spurs need to make another move before Thursday
The most I would do is pick up DayRon Sharpe for a second if they think we could keep him on a Julian type deal.
Otherwise, if something too good to pass up happens, do it, if you get a pick to use the exception on an ending player happened, do it, if someone gets cut and wants to sign with us, do it.
We aren't a conference finals team, just work on development and chemistry.
Start Wemby, Barnes, Castle, Paul, Fox
Then pull Fox earlier for Julian or Devin and run the team with Paul.
Then when Wemby rests, pull Paul and Castle with him and bring in Sochan, Keldon and Fox. Always have one of Fox or Wemby on the floor and one of Castle/Sochan.
Sochan is straight up one of the best roll man by stats right now, so spend a lot of second team with him and Fox for now and first team with Wemby and Fox.
Just spend time developing chemistry and developing skills. If we make the play in, great. If not, don't care.
The stats have told us overwhelmingly that Castle needs to be in that starting group. I think the ideal thing would be having Paul in the second unit with he, Vassell and Sochan coming off the bench. That's a pretty formidable bench if it's Paul orchestrating. They just need a competent big.
I assume Fox will come off the bench tomorrow though.
What do you mean by "develop as a multi-tool player"? I don't know what could be better for his development than to be playing with Fox and Wemby right now, as many minutes as possible. They are going to take so much pressure off this kid, he can now focus on hitting open shots, crashing the boards, and harrassing the other teams guards and wings. That sounds like a multi-tool training to me.
I would argue our bench is one of the worst in the league. Wemby sits and we fall apart.
Spurs definitely need a big, but what you are thinking of doesn't exist for a couple second round picks just because we want it to. The teams with a big to trade are not looking for 2RPs.
The only bigs on the market I would really consider would be Yabusele (we can take him into space for a 2nd) or Sharpe (trade Branham or Wesley for him) and both have ending contracts, but I bet Yabusele would sign here long term.
Pretty much anyone else would require Paul or Keldon to be traded, and I don't really see most of the other guys on the market as a long term backup big. Rob would be great if we could count on him for more than a couple dozen games. Jonas and Vooch couldn't guard Angel Reese.
Pretty much anyone else would require Paul or Keldon to be traded, and I don't really see most of the other guys on the market as a long term backup big. Rob would be great if we could count on him for more than a couple dozen games. Jonas and Vooch couldn't guard Angel Reese.
Supposedly the Hawks are trying to work out a deal for Brandon Ingram. I just dont see NOLA wanting Bogi at all and both ATL and NOLA are trying to cut salary, especially for next year. NOLA needs another center, but Yves Missi is clearly their guy for the future, so not sure they want to pay that much for Capela on a team going to the lottery. Hunter and Bogi both have multiple years left and NOLA has extensions starting next year. I think it ends bad for both teams, and requires others to jump in.
Starting or not Castle is going to get a ton of minutes. Doesn't really matter.
Disagree with you on the bench. Our guards and Sochan off the bench will be salty, and one of the best in the league. The frontcourt needs to be addressed is a glaring weakness.
Maybe not on 2 second round picks, but teams in tank mode are often open to trades for players in or past their prime. May have to eat some salary. We need a stopgap/backup at 4 and 5 right now. Plus second round picks are much more valuable now than before with the CBA, and many teams are in the first and second tax aprons. 2nd round picks have some value now.
Disagree with you on the bench. Our guards and Sochan off the bench will be salty, and one of the best in the league. The frontcourt needs to be addressed is a glaring weakness.
Maybe not on 2 second round picks, but teams in tank mode are often open to trades for players in or past their prime. May have to eat some salary. We need a stopgap/backup at 4 and 5 right now. Plus second round picks are much more valuable now than before with the CBA, and many teams are in the first and second tax aprons. 2nd round picks have some value now.
100% agree on staggering Fox and Wemby as much as possible. I'd love to see Fox as a 6th man star ala Manu but I know that isn't going to happen. We desperately need someone that can create off the dribble playing with the second team though. The offense just completely goes stagnant at times while also getting abused at the rim defensively once Wemby steps off the court.
You'd think that CP3 captaining the bench would bring some needed stability. I think we may go something like:
Starters: Vic-Barnes-Castle-Dev-Fox
Bench: ?-Sochan-Keldon-Champ-CP3
Idk about you but that bench is starting to look real
competent on paper. You add a 2-way stretch to backup Wemby and the pieces even fit together well.
Starters: Vic-Barnes-Castle-Dev-Fox
Bench: ?-Sochan-Keldon-Champ-CP3
Idk about you but that bench is starting to look real
competent on paper. You add a 2-way stretch to backup Wemby and the pieces even fit together well.
That bench lineup is going to be layup drills on defense
Nah.TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
You'd think that CP3 captaining the bench would bring some needed stability. I think we may go something like:
Starters: Vic-Barnes-Castle-Dev-Fox
Bench: ?-Sochan-Keldon-Champ-CP3
Idk about you but that bench is starting to look real
competent on paper. You add a 2-way stretch to backup Wemby and the pieces even fit together well.
Have the game start and end with Wemby and Fox, but other than that, stagger them so you always have top 15 scorer on the court.
Pull Fox early and let Paul run the first team some. When Vic rests, bring in Sochan and Fox. Sochan is actually one of the best roll guys in the league by stats this year.
And you need to see what a Fox and Devin backcourt looks like. Ultimately, I think Devin becomes the 6th man unless actually getting to be the third option unlocks something in him. But the way Steph is playing, he's gonna be the third option by next year.
I think that us drafting Kon Knueppel or Tre Johnson is pretty likely, and they could start at wing while Vassell is the 6th man. That would give us way better shooting in our starting lineup.
As good as Fox is, I think he is more of a #2 guy, and this will be the first time that he has played with someone with more gravity than him since Malik Monk at Kentucky. Him actually getting to play as a #2 and Devin getting to play as a #3 or 4, will ideally boost their effectiveness like it does with Maxey when Embiid decides to play.
I think we will have a number of games where we need to look at how different guys gel with each other.
Actually having rim pressure may open up a lot of shots on the outside for once.
Chicago and Philly won tonight.
Right now, we are cheering for:
Chicago
Philly
Toronto
Portland
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Toronto
Portland
Atlanta can fall below all of them. Portland playing now.
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