I think it was a good effort but we really need to add some players soon. Hope Nill has some more magic up his sleeve.

Otter played great tonight.

We're cursed

Obviously things can turn around, but so far Nil's offseason moves have been a disaster:

Gully: Jury is still out, but he is losing me quickly. This team looks like a worse version of what we've had the last 3-4 years. I don't see any grit or physicality or that "extra 1%." I see another stubborn coach who isn't making changes and a team who isn't buying in.

Harley: Looks worse than the Dumba signing. $10M for 8 years for this dumpster fire?? Totally lost out there.

Duchene: Didn't like bringing him back after he no-showed in last year's playoffs, especially on a 4 year deal. He doesn't score anymore and he certainly doesn't defend. Seems he is worthless without Seguin.

Benn: Grandpa needed to hang'em up after last season. Egregious turnover last night led to the first goal against. Slow, slow, slow. And where's the leadership from the captain?

It's definitely not good right now. Part of me wants to think/believe that losing Bichsel and Seguin has been a massive part of our drop off. Bichsel is easily one of if not the most physical players on the team, and Seguin genuinely was playing like a top forward both ways AND on the faceoff dots. Both massive losses for this team.

On the other hand, if the Stars are so tied to a 33 year old Tyler Seguin and 21 Lian Bichsel who's playing third pair minutes then we have bigger issues, and that's ultimately where I think I land.

Again, we came into this season a top six forward short, hints why Steel has been playing up with Wyatt and Mikko and it hasn't remotely worked. Then you lose Seguin and now you are TWO top six forwards short, all while your bottom six is really full of a bunch of fourth line guys. We STILL have not solved the top four RHD issue and we're going on four seasons if not more of it. As good as Jim Nill has been, I cannot fathom why we have not addressed that issue for so long now.

I think it's time to see a pretty serious shakeup in the team. If they are still trying to go for it, which I don't think they can avoid with what they have invested to this point, getting Rasmus Andersson I think needs to be 1A on the solutions board, and I'd see if I could get Blake Coleman with him. Top six forward and top four RHD done. After that I'd go to New York and try to get Panarin. Purely a rental, but top line stud LW that I think would be dynamite with Mikko. To get that you're absolutely giving up Bourque, Bichsel, and 1st round picks, but so be it.

Officially in the market.

Otter gets beat high blocker again. Looked a lot like Bishop there in that he didn't seal the near post.

wtf was that power play? They're just playing with their food.

This team is adrift at sea right now in every facet of the game.

Game. Onto football fully.

Capobianco

ffs

We're pretty unwatchable.

Honestly at this point, do you not try to maybe trade Robo and seriously retool this team? Being a bit extreme here I know, but why would you not at least think about it a bit? It just feels like we have WAY more issues than previously thought, and paying another guy 10-12 million per year may not help moving forward. We've whiffed more or less on Bourque; traded Stankoven (rightfully so); have no real prospects anymore; and have a pretty bang average to below average bottom six AND bottom three defenseman. We're also not physical at all and lack wingers.

Idk it just kinda hit me that maybe we need to really think about the future of this team and our current and ongoing issues.

We should all be paid $500 for watching this til th end

Harley I have no problem with. He's showed he's worth the money and just not playing well right now. He didn't get awful overnight or become a bad dude or doesn't work hard. Just for whatever reason not working this year.

The other stuff I do agree with. Duchene is a 50/50 one imo, but resigning Benn, signing Dumba, Lybu, and Suter were absolutely horrible and he doesn't get enough gruff for it.

And failing to address RHD for four years now is downright asinine. I just think maybe moving Robo for young assets might actually crack the window open a bit more and make us a more complete team if they approach the right team. Either way we're **** right now and something needs to change.

Vergas is trading for Rasmus Andersson.

See, and this pisses me off even more. Vegas does whatever it takes to win. Bringing in Eichel, Marner, etc. Big names. They show it can be done. Meanwhile we just sit around and hope things get better. Maybe Nil will sign another 7D man for depth.

I feel like his deadline trades have had a pretty dang good success rate.

Moose
Granlund
Tanev
Dadonov
Wedgewood
Zuccarello

Will be interested to see what the price for Rasmus was as well. It was probably pretty high.

The top four RHD issue legitimately confuses me beyond belief. I get not wanting to overpay with contracts already on the books like Seguin, Benn (the last few years), etc. but you had Miro freaking Heiskanen and did not get him a long term playing partner, and it is insane.

Either way now I think this makes it even more of a case to not necessarily blow it up, but look for a team that might really use a guy like Robo, and see if you can't really retool by getting a top tier young player and picks in. Someone like San Jose who has one of the top five players in the league and could benefit from adding a top tier winger to just rack up points with Celebrini (Hello Michael Misa in return?).

Tksymm7 said:

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Vergas is trading for Rasmus Andersson.

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Whitecloud, 2027 1st, 2028 2nd (becomes 1st if Vegas wins cup), and Abram Weibe.