I'd be curious how well Harry Potter would've done without the magic.
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I didn't post that to invalidate anyone's opinion, and tried to make that clear. I posted that just to essentially say, "The sequel likely won't be as derivative," seeing as certain people were using the first movie's derivativeness as the criteria by which they were judging the next one.
I wasn't saying no one is excited to see the movie outside of hardcore fans at that kind of theater (or the same kind of people on twitter). I wasn't specifying LA, but more the type of audience that would be at that theater in that moment is not the average movie going audience.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Got a reaction in my theater as well. And saw dozens of clips on Twitter of massive reactions around the world to the trailer.
This is not an LA thing.
I still haven't seen anything as visually stunning as the first movie was in theaters. I think this movie will be the same, based on how long Cameron has been at work on it. We know he wasn't taking that long perfecting the story, Im expecting to see something new on screen again.
If I was Cameron, I would find a way to re-release the original a month out in 3D again.
Anyone that has only seen the movie at home has not truly seen the movie. Imagine the buzz it would generate for the sequel.
Anyone that has only seen the movie at home has not truly seen the movie. Imagine the buzz it would generate for the sequel.
Already announced for September.
Theatrical re-release (apparently in both traditional theaters and IMAX 3D) is already set for September 3rd, with remastered picture and sound, which will then hit digital/Blu-ray/4K Ultra HD in the days/weeks after.
Beat me to it.
For the uber Avatar nerd that I am, I never saw it in IMAX. (Didn't have one near me in 2009.)
Best believe I'll be watching it in IMAX 3D with a big ol' tub of popcorn.
Best believe I'll be watching it in IMAX 3D with a big ol' tub of popcorn.
Have seen this trailer in the theater…. Way of the water gave me HUGE flight of passage vibes from disneys animal kingdom. Looked and felt the same. That's an awesome ride. I don't care for avatar, but I'll probably check it out at one point.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'd be curious how well Harry Potter would've done without the magic.
What kind of dumb counter is this? The magic in HP is an integral part of the movies, probably the most integral part actually.
I agree with what DallasTeleAg said. Avatar was a regular good movie that I think was inflated because of the cultural push with it and everyone and their mom going to see it in 3D. I've seen bits and pieces of it again when it was on tv, but I've only seen it start to finish once.
I too wonder how it would be received 1)in the streaming age and 2)without the 3D influence.
That all being said, I'll likely see this sequel in theaters because it's taken so dang long to make and I think they're going to make it pretty stunning visually.
Chipotlemonger said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'd be curious how well Harry Potter would've done without the magic.
What kind of dumb counter is this? The magic in HP is an integral part of the movies, probably the most integral part actually.
I agree with what DallasTeleAg said. Avatar was a regular good movie that I think was inflated because of the cultural push with it and everyone and their mom going to see it in 3D. I've seen bits and pieces of it again when it was on tv, but I've only seen it start to finish once.
I too wonder how it would be received 1)in the streaming age and 2)without the 3D influence.
That all being said, I'll likely see this sequel in theaters because it's taken so dang long to make and I think they're going to make it pretty stunning visually.
This. Without magic being real in Harry Potter, there is no story.
Take the 3D experience away from Avatar and nothing is changed.
I'm glad I saw Avatar in the theater with 3D, it was a cool experience feeling like you were actually in the movie, but I've never had any desire to see it again. The technology/experience is what made the money, not the movie itself.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Is this a real comparison of trailers? Or is the original trailer edited to "match"
AMW2010 said:
Have seen this trailer in the theater…. Way of the water gave me HUGE flight of passage vibes from disneys animal kingdom. Looked and felt the same. That's an awesome ride. I don't care for avatar, but I'll probably check it out at one point.
Yep. And I even noticed that circular rock formation is seen in Flight of Passage. They developed the ride right around the same time as the movie was being made, so I'm sure all those locations are from The Way of Water.
Incredible ride, btw.
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The magic in HP is an integral part of the movies, probably the most integral part actually.
James Cameron developed the movie because of the world of Pandora, the Na'vi, and the visuals/3D.
As in the clip I sent earlier, this movie wasn't made for its plot. So if you remove the 3D/theater, you're removing one of the primary reasons the movie was developed in the first place.
Basically, the original argument is like saying "I wonder if Star Wars would've been as successful if it aired on tv."
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Take the 3D experience away from Avatar and nothing is changed.
I'm glad I saw Avatar in the theater with 3D, it was a cool experience feeling like you were actually in the movie
I believe it's edited to match.
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Take the 3D experience away from Avatar and nothing is changed.
I'm glad I saw Avatar in the theater with 3D, it was a cool experience feeling like you were actually in the movie
I was talking about the story, but you knew that.
But that's my point.
Movies are not just the stories they tell, but the way they tell them.
If you take the time travel out of BTTF, it's just another zany high school comedy.
If you take the special effects and space setting out of Star Wars, it's just Excalibur.
And so forth.
Movies are not just the stories they tell, but the way they tell them.
If you take the time travel out of BTTF, it's just another zany high school comedy.
If you take the special effects and space setting out of Star Wars, it's just Excalibur.
And so forth.
And to be clear, not saying you have to love the movie, or saying you're wrong about the plot criticisms, but my point remains.
If you enjoyed the visual spectacle and felt transported to Pandora, then the movie did the exact job it was intended to do.
If you enjoyed the visual spectacle and felt transported to Pandora, then the movie did the exact job it was intended to do.
BES you are comparing apples to oranges here, with all due respect.
You're right, because Avatar was created as a way to transport users to another planet via brand new and cutting-edge technology, whereas your LOTR or HP are created with the sole purpose of telling their story, and the technology is just the means to do it.
They are quite different and that's why I'm saying they shouldn't be judged the same. That's really my whole point.
It's not fair to say that Avatar without the 3D technology would be just another movie, because that's kind of the whole purpose of the movie in the first place.
They are quite different and that's why I'm saying they shouldn't be judged the same. That's really my whole point.
It's not fair to say that Avatar without the 3D technology would be just another movie, because that's kind of the whole purpose of the movie in the first place.
I both agree and disagree. To just rely on the Harry Potter world, magic, and the blind fandom to create movies does not make a good movie. This is why I think most of the Harry Potter movies are trash.
Take away the names Batman and Joker from The Dark Knight, and you still have a great crime drama.
Take away the names Batman and Joker from The Dark Knight, and you still have a great crime drama.
But we go back to the apples and oranges and thing.
That movie is all about plot and characters. But there's nothing inherently interesting or spectacular about that world, visually or otherwise. It's just Chicago. Sure, it's photographed really well and the IMAX looked great, but it doesn't transport you anywhere in the way Avatar does.
They're just totally different experiences.
Btw HP was just an example, I'm not particularly a fan of that series.
In any case this is a discussion that could go in circles forever, so I'll leave it there. The plot will certainly be more interesting the next go round now that the world and characters have been established.
That movie is all about plot and characters. But there's nothing inherently interesting or spectacular about that world, visually or otherwise. It's just Chicago. Sure, it's photographed really well and the IMAX looked great, but it doesn't transport you anywhere in the way Avatar does.
They're just totally different experiences.
Btw HP was just an example, I'm not particularly a fan of that series.
In any case this is a discussion that could go in circles forever, so I'll leave it there. The plot will certainly be more interesting the next go round now that the world and characters have been established.
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My AMC already has an Avatar: The Way of Water IMAX poster displayed in the lobby.
We saw that in Gulf Shores, AL when we went to see Minions last week. Also a Wakanda Forever poster.Brian Earl Spilner said:
My AMC already has an Avatar: The Way of Water IMAX poster displayed in the lobby.
Zoe Saldana at the box office (highlights)/ She's the only actor/actress to be in 3 movies that have crossed $2 billion total box office.
2003:
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl = $305m domestic, $654m ww
2009:
Star Trek = $257m domestic, $386m ww
Avatar = $760m domestic, $2.8bn ww
2013
Star Trek Into Darkness = $228m domestic, $467m ww
2014
Guardians of the Galaxy = $333m domestic, $770m ww
2016
Star Trek Beyond = $158m domestic, $335m ww
2017
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 = $389m domestic, $869m ww
2018
Avengers: Infinity War = $678m domestic, $2.04bn ww
2019
Avengers: Endgame = $858m domestic, $2.8bn ww
2022
Avatar: The Way of Water
2023
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Stark Trek 4
2024
Avatar 3
2003:
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl = $305m domestic, $654m ww
2009:
Star Trek = $257m domestic, $386m ww
Avatar = $760m domestic, $2.8bn ww
2013
Star Trek Into Darkness = $228m domestic, $467m ww
2014
Guardians of the Galaxy = $333m domestic, $770m ww
2016
Star Trek Beyond = $158m domestic, $335m ww
2017
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 = $389m domestic, $869m ww
2018
Avengers: Infinity War = $678m domestic, $2.04bn ww
2019
Avengers: Endgame = $858m domestic, $2.8bn ww
2022
Avatar: The Way of Water
2023
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Stark Trek 4
2024
Avatar 3
Hopefully she adds a few more skin colors to her resume.
I never saw Avatar originally. Not sure why, I just had a kind of internal disdain for it. Maybe I resented James Cameron for Titanic passing Star Wars in inflation-adjusted box office. So I just latched on to the "it's unoriginal and derivative" argument and never saw it.
My interest was piqued when I went to Disney and rode Flight of Passage, the setting seemed much more interesting than I had given it credit for. So a couple of months ago I finally watched it on Disney+. Holy smokes, what a movie. I do still think there is validity to the criticism of the plot, but IMO the world building is unrivaled. I became a huge fan of this movie and am now really looking forward to the second film.
I guess I probably need to try to see this in 3D on the re-release, right?
My interest was piqued when I went to Disney and rode Flight of Passage, the setting seemed much more interesting than I had given it credit for. So a couple of months ago I finally watched it on Disney+. Holy smokes, what a movie. I do still think there is validity to the criticism of the plot, but IMO the world building is unrivaled. I became a huge fan of this movie and am now really looking forward to the second film.
I guess I probably need to try to see this in 3D on the re-release, right?
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